That's exactly my point. If professional games journalists can't find any other verifiable sources to support the leak, then there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.
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That's exactly my point. If professional games journalists can't find any other verifiable sources to support the leak, then there isn't enough evidence to support the claim.
If Andre's post about things being particularly bad on Era isn't referring to that, I don't know what it's referring to.
I agree. I've been asking for some kind of mod/admin control on this thread for a while. I was sure it was going to end badly, and it did.
They don't know it's fake, though. A character not being featured in it isn't confirmation of it being fake no matter how hard you twist that angle.
here and in the npd thread i see you guys already trying your best to make people with actual sources and good posters bail on this board. well done, it only took like one year or so. cool, congrarulations
Because in a public forum with a more vigilante mod team just going off a previous insider harassment debacle (NPD thread), it's marginally safer to just take to their inboxes.
Not surprised at all by how you've been treated here. Trying to set expectations is not only thankless; it's apparently frowned upon here. I've seen several of the most reputable people in the industry dragged in these threads.
And this has been proven false. The background never changed. A better look at the banner shows that the castle is still there, it's just less visible because the image is overexposed thanks to being a video recording of a monitor (which is easy to note given the horizon in general is brighter than that of the direct feed image). The same goes for the colors on the waterfall.
I see, but there's one thing I don't understand about this background argument. It relies on things being clear and easy to see so how exactly does it hold any weight when the image we're comparing these large mega hi res backgrounds to is a zoomed in blurry screenshot of a snapchat video?
But what the insiders probably can't tell you is that they trust their sources because their sources have provided undeniable evidence that they would know what they're talking about.
I'm just saying, of everyone here, only the insiders have access to both sides: both the convincing leak we see, and whatever they have that we don't.
Only they can consider both sides and decide which one seems more legit. And for them to stake their reps choosing "fake," gives me pause here.
I hear ya, but Serebii refuses to talk about the Gold/Silver Beta leak when it's obviously real, they are connected to Nintendo & won't talk about this sort of stuff. This goes back to what i said before, im not trying to fully dismiss insiders, but some of them with connections won't want to piss off Nintendo & just maybe lie & claim the leak is fake to save face.
I really hate to play devil's advocate with this but is the bolded line really that hostile? That's internet sarcasm across the board. I and many other people on my side of the "aisle", since apparently, comparisons to Trump need to be made, do that too.
And the italicized line could be read as hostile but as someone who has said that very same thing in this thread, I think it's kind of unfair to assume we're out for blood when we say that stuff. I think we're way more self-aware that this is a video game forum and none of this will matter in a few weeks' time than we're given credit for. Regarding speculation, which is the entire reason we're here, I don't care what they claim to know, it adds nothing to the discussion, as truthful as it may be in the coming weeks.
But again, it's fucking stupid to chase these people through other mediums. If you did that, grow up and take a walk.
I'm not sure why there is a leap being made from "people are badgering and harassing insiders" to "the leak is fake" either.
It didn't happen here so he shouldn't explicitly call out ERA.
That's more my line of reasoning.
It's sad but inevitable that this would happen. Funny how desperately demanding the few people who might know things for proof of their statements is actively preventing them from sharing their info in the future.
Talk about poisoning the well
Talk about poisoning the well
My take on all this is that I don't give a flying rip about characters in Smash (a series I adore) if people are getting harassed in any way.
Honestly? I'm close to asking mods to shut this thread down to send a message that it's all fun and games until people are getting hammered for no reason. Not all of it can be controlled (ie, randos on Twitter) but much of this is absolutely your own doing.
Honestly? I'm close to asking mods to shut this thread down to send a message that it's all fun and games until people are getting hammered for no reason. Not all of it can be controlled (ie, randos on Twitter) but much of this is absolutely your own doing.
What kind of receipt, exactly? Another leaked image? Saying a new pokemon is in? They can't exactly leak or show anything directly. They just hint at stuff
We are getting the proof in less than 2 months, and it's all just videogames. I'm very much teamreal myself as that's clearly the Occam's razor explanation here imo, but if I'm wrong I'll take my hat off for the "leaker" and go on with my life. There's no reason to be mad at insiders.
Exactly where I stand, too.
The old folks always said that in things like this, there's always "he says, she says and the truth". That's why it wouldn't surprise me if there truly was more to this overall story, even if I lean more towards Team Real.
My condolences, Imran. It sucks that you had to deal with bad apples of our community.
Dude, after what happened with this thread and how people reacted toward to some people. I do think it's warranted even I'm part of smash community.
Dude, after what happened with this thread and how people reacted toward to some people. I do think it's warranted even I'm part of smash community.
So you say that the final picture is possibly not going to include the whole roster but instead leave out 1 or 2 characters out of 70+ ?
It's a nonzero chance but it's a big assumption too.
Still, nobody has told me why Daisy is suddenly so obstructed. You can barely tell shes there anymore, why would that happen? Theres quite a bit of negative space for her to be able to be more visible.
I don't know what we, as posters in this thread, are supposed to do about people secretly sending harassment DMs.
No idea who to believe at this point.
The "insiders" who told me that the leak is fake and GameCube games were coming to Switch two years ago.
Or PapaGenos who seemed like the most genuinue leak discussion guy on YouTube now saying an extremely credible source of his claiming the leak is 100% real.
It's almost as if the toxicity from the Kencineroar discussions never left, it's just been incorporated into this leak discussion.
The "insiders" who told me that the leak is fake and GameCube games were coming to Switch two years ago.
Or PapaGenos who seemed like the most genuinue leak discussion guy on YouTube now saying an extremely credible source of his claiming the leak is 100% real.
It's almost as if the toxicity from the Kencineroar discussions never left, it's just been incorporated into this leak discussion.
I just wanted to note that this thread has had very few warnings and we have to be allowed to be critical or even harsh to people if they come in to these discussion expecting to get some kind of special treatment due to having inside info.
It's got a bit too heated at times (from me too) and anyone spamming DM's and shit shouldn't go unpunished, but if we narrow it down to this actual thread and its contents, I think it's mostly been fine. Insiders like VG24/7 have come into the discussion very respectful to both sides and contributed a lot and didn't get any fallback.
Basically, my point is, it's the responsibility of everyone coming to a thread and posting how the discourse ends up.
Utterly disgusted to hear about the DM's honestly, that's just so wrong.
Why should a thread that has been fine with very few mod warnings have to be locked because some assholes abuse the DM system? It's obviously discussing something with a broader interest than the people who are regulars in the DT.
It's got a bit too heated at times (from me too) and anyone spamming DM's and shit shouldn't go unpunished, but if we narrow it down to this actual thread and its contents, I think it's mostly been fine. Insiders like VG24/7 have come into the discussion very respectful to both sides and contributed a lot and didn't get any fallback.
Basically, my point is, it's the responsibility of everyone coming to a thread and posting how the discourse ends up.
Utterly disgusted to hear about the DM's honestly, that's just so wrong.
Why should a thread that has been fine with very few mod warnings have to be locked because some assholes abuse the DM system? It's obviously discussing something with a broader interest than the people who are regulars in the DT.
Splatoon 2 is a port, mario kart 8 switch has new tracks, botw has playable female character, shovel knight is in smash, bge2 is switch exclusive, it goes on and on...
We don't know what insiders are getting told and how it's getting twisted, so words against what this leak is showing are weak.
We don't know what insiders are getting told and how it's getting twisted, so words against what this leak is showing are weak.
I dunno either.
I guess just trying to foster a less toxic environment that might rile people up to do stupid stuff like that.
Because this
Can't just be explained away as "the image is blurry". There's a lot of inconsistencies to bring up but the easiest one is to look at the leftmost part of the image. See how that waterfall in the leak image is awkwardly shifted upward to "reconnect" to the part of the background where the waterfall has moved inward a little bit?
In the E3 banner, there's supposed to be a big island there, and the waterfall is supposed to extend further. In the leaked banner, there is a massive chunk straight up missing. This wouldn't be significant if not for the fact that this particular portion of the background has always been covered by Bowser in every single banner. If you're repainting the background based on what's there, this is most likely the one place someone would screw up if they didn't know the background contents. For a while most people believed that the background was fine; until people managed to pull out the E3 banner as reference and see that yeah, nah - this thing has clear issues that could've been avoided altogether if they had a better reference image.
And while there is a slim chance that this background could've been redrawn at some point that doesn't seem particularly likely given that, again, we don't have evidence of it happening, and it would've been wasted effort since that part of the background would still be covered by Bowser, making it an extraneous edit.
You acknowledge you're not the only people on era if you're in this thread, and that a non-insignificant number of people on Era are sending DMs to insiders and that some of them might not be pretty.
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Insiders often make the mistake of making information look more solid than it is. How often has a 'source' from an insider turn out to have been wrong because actual development changed at the last minute?
As a former member of the games media, I rarely hinted anything to avoid too much undesired attention. To a degree, you are responsible for attention brought on you because you decided to open up about a topic you might have verifiable knowledge. You are often encouraged to be smart about when and if you decide to hint at something or talk about it.
This does not mean you are responsible for another agent making threats against you or other illogical immoral behavior, but if you can avoid it, you should. When you whistle for dogs, wolves sometimes appear.
As a former member of the games media, I rarely hinted anything to avoid too much undesired attention. To a degree, you are responsible for attention brought on you because you decided to open up about a topic you might have verifiable knowledge. You are often encouraged to be smart about when and if you decide to hint at something or talk about it.
This does not mean you are responsible for another agent making threats against you or other illogical immoral behavior, but if you can avoid it, you should. When you whistle for dogs, wolves sometimes appear.
I've decided to double down on #teamreal, and as a self-proclaimed InsiderTM my vote counts as double.
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