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Red Dead Review Average Prediction

  • 100, 10/10, Recommended, Essential, and Other Perfect Scores, GOTY Material

    Votes: 517 17.8%
  • 90-99, 9/10, Recommended, Essential, GOTY Material

    Votes: 2,062 70.9%
  • 80-89, 8/10, Recommended

    Votes: 150 5.2%
  • 70-79, 7/10, Recommended

    Votes: 11 0.4%
  • Below 70, Not Recommended

    Votes: 167 5.7%

  • Total voters
    2,907
  • Poll closed .

Linus815

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was literally looking for this gif when the thread got locked yesterday

mods how you gonna make me hold that in for 24 hours

lmao, amazing gif
 

lt519

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jim actually really likes the game, but he does rag on some of the simulation aspects being too detailed/time consuming in a similar way to BOTW



Thanks! Didn't actually watch it, was just making a snarky comment since I saw he reviewed it well. Glad he brings it up though and doesn't hold different games to different standards.

I can see the simulation aspects of this game dragging it down for me a bit. I was never one for the Fallout type modes where you need proper sleep, food, water, etc.
 

Fjordson

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Oct 25, 2017
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Look, I've bought nearly all Rockstar games, multiple times over in a bunch of cases. I've given them my time and my money. But they absolutely get a pass from reviewers and fans when it comes to reviews. It's not that their games are better, they're just bigger. Few people want to be the ones to point out the flaws in the games (and all games have flaws) when the comments sections are so viciously hostile.
Huh? What if some people do think Rockstar's games are better? Not sure why that's an invalid thing to feel. To me all those games you mentioned (save for Sleeping Dogs) pale in comparison to Rockstar's work, but I'm not allowed to think that because....reasons?

Either way, reviews are just a group of individual opinions from random people who happen to be employed by media companies. Nothing more. I don't get all the hysteria when something scores too high or too low.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

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Cheers. Sounds interesting although I must admit I was quite disappointed when the Wanted & Witness kept coming up yet there wasn't anyone around at all. This is especially annoying when considering previews never mentioned this - way too gamey for my liking and goes against everything people are saying about the realism.

I suspect we'll see seams; they always pop up, especially in massive, ambitious games like this.

But we are getting closer to a place where games have far less of them, though clearly that isn't always the goal on the part of the developer.
 

Ploid 6.0

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok so I've watched a few video reviews now. Loving the visuals and atmosphere, but at the same time, a lot of it looks so plodding, monotonous, slow and also slightly boring. I'm talking so slow it makes narrative driven games full of lots of walking segments look action packed. The predominant bulk of gameplay appears to be walking around, setting things up, hunting, petting horses, talking to people at camp fires, putting stuff on horses, transporting things, galloping around and so on and so on, eg more methodical slower paced tasks. In other words it seems like vast amounts of gameplay will have you doing things that are very sombre and lacking in intensity or thrill. Even the gunfights in the reviews don't exactly look mind blowing.

I'm someone who didn't finish RDR, just got a bit bored someway through, and I really hope the same doesn't happen with this. The pace and richness of content or the world, due to the setting, seems to lack the vibrancy, density and diversity of say Grand Theft Auto, and I wonder if once again that will work against it for me due to the combat not being able to compensate for the mundanity of some of the core gameplay.

Still, the reviews seem super complimentary and hyped, so I'm excited to find out either way.
I was so glad to be done with RDR, and I wasn't interested in giving the zombie dlc a try. Watching gameplay didn't seem interesting at all to me. I'm a bit surprised (or maybe not) that the reviews so far have no 80s or low 90s. Looking forward to seeing if in retrospect the reviews, if they continue to be near perfect, are enlightening like GTA4's.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not talking about this one specifically. There have been multiple occasions where Slant had a score that positioned them on the main page for said game for clicks though. Their Breath of the Wild review comes to mind.

Let me tell you how this review and all the other reviews they've published work, my man. They get the game, they play the game, they write their review, they give it a score, and then they turn it in, and Slant puts it on their website.

If someone were to write a review for this game and give it a 10/10 Slant would not send it back and be all "Yeah, but could you make this more controversial and change the score for the clicks?"

Same goes for any game. The score they put out is what the writer wants to be put out.
 

Prophet Five

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the husband is most excited about this. We had it reserved for PS4 (pro) so he could eventually play multiplayer but I convinced him to go Xbox One (X) since we have it and the 4K tv. But after watching the DF videos and these reviews I"m excited about a game I had no interest in! But I'll just watch him play it lol. It'll be like a movie.
 

crazillo

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Apr 5, 2018
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My impressions, pasted over from Twitter:

Red Dead Redemption 2 is in many ways a game better "experienced" than "played." If you can envelope yourself in this world, accept its incredibly leisurely pace, and embody Arthur Morgan, you'll have an experience like no other video game.

Everything Rockstar promised about the fluidity of missions, dialogue, and interconnected game systems is true. Missions just start, or are found. Items are bought by browsing a store, not browsing a menu. You exist in this space. It is not a theme park.

But this lovingly detailed design has its downsides. This is not a wish fulfillment, power fantasy video game. Complete a mission far from home and you'll spend a LONG time on horseback. Get dirty and you'll have to pay for a bath. Run out of food and you'll stop to make more.

In many ways this is quite brave. Rockstar knows this game will sell millions and yet stubbornly refuses to give horses infinite health, drop fall damage, forces players to clean their guns, forces them to eat (but not too much), and withholds fast travel or a long, long time.

But the downside of all of this is less patient gamers will call RDR2 boring, and even more generous gamers will likely concede that AC Odyssey and Spider-Man probably are more purely fun to play "in the moment." They're video games that feel like video games.

Red Dead Redemption 2 doesn't feel like anything else.

You could write great reviews. Very nice insights that I will check out in about five hours from now here in Germany. And then I'll get back to you and everyone else with my impressions :)
 

nib95

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Oct 28, 2017
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like if you're not gonna be around on the embargo day why make a review thread

Yea, not to thread whine, but if a review thread starter goes AWOL early on, mods should just allow those who are willing to invest the time the opportunity to do the thread instead. Otherwise the purpose of the thread is defeated, and it's harder to get to and gauge actual reviews and impressions. I end up finding reviews through metacritic instead of ResetEra.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Jim actually really likes the game, but he does rag on some of the simulation aspects being too detailed/time consuming in a similar way to BOTW



And his complaints are all absolutely legitimate. I've found his impressions substantially closer to my expectations and concerns than any other (apart from those that acknowledge the same things but give it a 10 anyway).

That review is a good example of why Jim's work is held in such high esteem, even when he goes a little overboard on some of his weekly video content.
 

BossAttack

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Oct 27, 2017
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My impressions, pasted over from Twitter:

Red Dead Redemption 2 is in many ways a game better "experienced" than "played." If you can envelope yourself in this world, accept its incredibly leisurely pace, and embody Arthur Morgan, you'll have an experience like no other video game.

Everything Rockstar promised about the fluidity of missions, dialogue, and interconnected game systems is true. Missions just start, or are found. Items are bought by browsing a store, not browsing a menu. You exist in this space. It is not a theme park.

But this lovingly detailed design has its downsides. This is not a wish fulfillment, power fantasy video game. Complete a mission far from home and you'll spend a LONG time on horseback. Get dirty and you'll have to pay for a bath. Run out of food and you'll stop to make more.

In many ways this is quite brave. Rockstar knows this game will sell millions and yet stubbornly refuses to give horses infinite health, drop fall damage, forces players to clean their guns, forces them to eat (but not too much), and withholds fast travel or a long, long time.

But the downside of all of this is less patient gamers will call RDR2 boring, and even more generous gamers will likely concede that AC Odyssey and Spider-Man probably are more purely fun to play "in the moment." They're video games that feel like video games.

Red Dead Redemption 2 doesn't feel like anything else.

All of that sounds good to me, my concerns are the story and reactivity of the world as well as the gunplay.
 

Alcibiades

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Feb 3, 2018
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I can't take reviews of Rockstar games seriously, even their worst games score 96% on average, which is ludicrous when you think about it. Money and ad revenue has too much influence on these review scores. The only reviews you should trust are those on ad-free sites or videos.
 

Hope

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Oct 28, 2017
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I was, until I started reading reviews . Sounds like it's boring by design. I loved me some red dead 1 and GTA 5. But I've gone from pre order paid in full months ago hype. To well, hopefully I'm not throwing my money away negative hype

Yea maybe it is indeed game of the generation but it looks a bit boring.
 

Toni

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RDR2 outscoring Botw is nice to see.

There's always next gen to try to be better than we were. Congrats rockstar on the success.

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Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

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Let me tell you how this review and all the other reviews they've published work, my man. They get the game, they play the game, they write their review, they give it a score, and then they turn it in, and Slant puts it on their website.

If someone were to write a review for this game and give it a 10/10 Slant would not send it back and be all "Yeah, but could you make this more controversial and change the score for the clicks?"

Same goes for any game. The score they put out is what the writer wants to be put out.

I actually regret calling them out as low balling hipsters earlier; that was unfair.

Their reviews are well written and clearly delineate the thought process behind the score even if I almost always disagree with them.

Also, if they consider BOTW a 60 then RDR2 getting a 70 is high praise indeed. :)
 

wafflebrain

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Oct 27, 2017
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I like my simulation system to a degree, curious to see how much this game's systems test my patience vs scratching that sim itch. I loved the balance achieved in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, then again that had call your horse from anywhere in the world which RDR2 doesn't have, and afaik horse immortality. One thing I didn't like about BOTW that I know RDR2 has is needing to be a certain distance from the horse for them to "hear" you to be able to call them. I can see this getting tedious when wanting to hoof (heh) it on foot and get lost in the scenery and before you know it horsey is useless for calling to your side. Then again persistence seems a thing so as long as the horse stays in same place you left it I suppose it won't be too big a hassle.
 

SaintBowWow

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Oct 25, 2017
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Based on the content of some reviews I think this will be another GTAIV situation where there's a huge backlash shortly after it comes out. The game sounds like it's slow and realistic in the way that many people will hate.

I like GTAIV though so I'm excited
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
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Reading the reviews now it seems like there are quite a few complaints, like, God of Wars sounded more glowing than this.

Highs must be extremely high
 

Deleted member 25108

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There appears to be an adherence to realism and detail that goes against the grain of conventional game design, such as guns needing to be maintained or they won't fire or operate properly and the blurb about how you can very easily get yourself stranded in the wilderness which will require a very arduous journey back to your home base.

Of course it's still a game but many of the reviews suggest there's a simulation aspect that takes things to an entirely new level, which may or may not jive with some people.

That's my impression anyway.

I'll have a better idea once I start playing.

Yeah, this isnt a game for me. I hate all this micromanaging to be immersive shit.
 

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wait, so does this game not have fast travel at all or just when you're engaged in specific tasks (like hunting)?
 
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I was, until I started reading reviews . Sounds like it's boring by design. I loved me some red dead 1 and GTA 5. But I've gone from pre order paid in full months ago hype. To well, hopefully I'm not throwing my money away negative hype
Red Dead Redemption 1 was boring by design too, though. You start off with a long train ride, and then a horse ride, and then you immediately get shot. The first actual thing you get to do is shoot rabbits and take crops to market, before the raw excitement of herding cattle gets introduced. I can't imagine why anyone who played Red Dead Redemption 1 would assume the sequel was going to completely do away with the deliberate pacing.
 

Necron

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Ok so I've watched a few video reviews now. Loving the visuals and atmosphere, but at the same time, a lot of it looks so plodding, monotonous, slow and also slightly boring. I'm talking so slow it makes narrative driven games full of lots of walking segments look action packed. The predominant bulk of gameplay appears to be walking around, setting things up, hunting, petting horses, talking to people at camp fires, putting stuff on horses, transporting things, galloping around and so on and so on, eg more methodical slower paced tasks. In other words it seems like vast amounts of gameplay will have you doing things that are very sombre and lacking in intensity or thrill. Even the gunfights in the reviews don't exactly look mind blowing.

I'm someone who didn't finish RDR, just got a bit bored someway through, and I really hope the same doesn't happen with this. The pace and richness of content or the world, due to the setting, seems to lack the vibrancy, density and diversity of say Grand Theft Auto, and I wonder if once again that will work against it for me due to the combat not being able to compensate for the mundanity of some of the core gameplay.

Still, the reviews seem super complimentary and hyped, so I'm excited to find out either way.

At the end of the day, it's down to a matter of taste. They're clearly trying to imitate western films akin to The Good, the Bad and the Ugly; For a Fistful of Dollars and others like Once Upon a Time in the West; Duck, You Sucker! from Sergio Leone.

All these classic western films that both Red Dead Redemption games (and indeed, Red Dead Revolver) are based on are slow by design just like the films they're inspired by. Coincidentally, both the games and films ooze atmosphere and tension, coupled with a slow but steady progression to a grand finale. I'm expecting a similar build-up and feel to RDR1, which I'm perfectly ok with.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I actually regret calling them out as low balling hipsters earlier; that was unfair.

Their reviews are well written and clearly delineate the thought process behind the score even if I almost always disagree with them.

Also, if they consider BOTW a 60 then RDR2 getting a 70 is high praise indeed. :)

And hey, disagreeing is fine. Me and the guy that wrote this review disagree on a lot of stuff and that includes games. I'm a pretty big fan of Rockstar games myself so I'm pretty sure I'm going to disagree with him again once I pick this game up tonight, but what I can tell you is that he's an honest dude and that review is 100% his actual thoughts and score on the game.
 

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Won't be BOTW tier but I expect very good results nonetheless. :)
 

Brick

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Oct 25, 2017
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Geez, the comments on that Slant review are insane. Take a damn breath, kids, and maybe don't threaten people's lives.