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Swauny Jones

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or centrists are assigning positives where none exist so they can maintain their moral high ground of seeing themselves above the political squabbling

unless centrists think perpetuating systems of oppression and dominance by a certain class is good

This is exactly my point. There are so many problems here and to assume they're no positives on a certain side is just ignorant. Each side has its faults ( although the right is loaded with so much bullshit lately ) To jump on centrists and call them cowards for not picking one and believing in a middle ground is just childish.
 

PMS341

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Oct 29, 2017
6,634
Ask yourself where being in the center of racists and non-racists is.
 

NekoFever

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's different in the US, where your options are David Cameron Conservatives or comic book villains.

But I'm in the UK and have been called a centrist or a Red Tory or whatever for saying that Labour needs a more moderate and electable leader. Oh well. Enjoy Tory governments, hard Brexit and celebrating losing elections by less than expected for the next couple of decades.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
11,392
What if I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative
Most "Fiscal Conservatives" usually just think the national economy works just like your personal finances. If defecits are your major concern though, you would vote Democrat as Presidents Clinton and Obama worked on reducing defecits, and were fairly succesful on that front.

Now fiscally conservative to me when thinking of the economy the way they say they do would be to reduce debt or save when times are good to give yourself room to spend when times are bad. Republicans though tend to increase spending regardless of circumstances through hidden spending like tax cuts for the wealthiest and big increases in military spending.
 

okayfrog

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Oct 25, 2017
3,968
It's up to the political party to grab the person, not the person to grab the party.

That being said, it is possible some centrists are uneducated. I mean, you can't find one single reason to go with one party over the other? That and the two party system isn't going away if you vote one way in an election. Change is bottom up.
 
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Rivenblade

Rivenblade

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Nov 1, 2017
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True liberals don't take hot showers?

Just meant that centrists (or maybe the term should be "moderates" as someone pointed out) will virtue signal, particularly in online communities or in public conversations, while acting hypocritically in their private lives. The example I gave was meant to show the disconnect between "I care about the planet and conservation, but I still want to be able to waste water for my own pleasure."
 

Bronx-Man

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Oct 25, 2017
15,351
I have no idea how someone can even be a centrist when our choices are

White supremacy

Not white supremacy

If you have to really think about this, guess what? You're probably on the first side! Or at least you want the status quo the first side provides.
 

Doc Holliday

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Oct 27, 2017
5,833
It depends where and when you're living. I don't agree with being a centrist politically in the US right now, it would be insane sit on the sideline in this climate.

Let's say we have two parties that are not racists and the only difference is pure socialism vs pure capitalism, i can see how there could be moderates.

But the Right is completely off the rails, so no.
 

Deleted member 2620

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You can't stand still on a moving train; you either take a stand, or someone else will lead you where they're going.

i think this analogy is a good and concise one, tbh. this isn't a frozen-in-time situation and thinking of it as one is harmful when momentum is what's important.
 

Boddy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Centrist (at least the ones in the USA right now) were told as child that's important to make compromisses and never moved past that.
"Let's meet somewhere in the middle!"
The problem is that the middle ground between sense and non-sense is still non-sense.
That's or it's just apathy.

In other places in the world it can be a valid postion if the political questions at hand aren't this black and white.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's different in the US, where your options are David Cameron Conservatives or comic book villains.

But I'm in the UK and have been called a centrist or a Red Tory or whatever for saying that Labour needs a more moderate and electable leader. Oh well. Enjoy Tory governments, hard Brexit and celebrating losing elections by less than expected for the next couple of decades.
What is your idea of a moderate leader in terms of U.K. politics? What would the general policies of your idea of an electable moderate be?
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,859
USA, Sol 3, Universe 1
I am a firm believer that you have to be yourself. Why would being yourself be cowardly or smart? Being yourself is just your natural state, it isn't inherently anything, so if you are someone on the center in most things, how could that ever be cowardly or smart?

I don't like the centrist label myself but....

People like me tend to be loathed or feared or shunned. Now this is just my personally view, but hate and fear I've received from multiple sides seems mostly out of not being able to control me. The way I see it, they fear me because they can't control or manipulate or bully me, but that doesn't mean that I'm an enemy either. I don't care what your leanings are, I don't care what you are, hell, in most cases I don't even care who you are, just be a decent person and you're fine in my book. I truly believe that in most, not all of course, but most cases, we are more alike than we are different. Why not find some common ground, worst being decent, and talk? Worst thing that can happen is some new ink at the cost of some time, right?

Gonna touch up on a few things:

I'm not sure what you expect to get out of this thread. It's established fact that ERA hates centrist thought. (As they should tbh, it's cowardly in the age of Trump)
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See, this is kind of what I was taking about, how is it cowardly to be yourself? That and I'd say let us not label an entire forum as haters of X or supporters of Y or ignores of Z.
Often privilege in action

Just like that socially liberal, financially conservative bullshit that people like to spew.
How is it privilege if being open about it leads to the majority of people from all sides hating you in some way? At least when you are not in the center, you can find some support, but when you are dead center? Yeah, it isn't exactly a walk in the park.

Speaking of privilege, some people who are political outliers can also be people who lack privilege. I'm queer, which puts me in a minority, yet I'm also a minority within that minority, I'm a Semite so there's that, but I'm in the minority within that as well so I get race hate not just by racist non-Jews but by racist Jews as well who aren't in my Jewish minority , I'm visually impaired, get migendered all the time, etc... (seriously, there's a lot more, but I shan't go into it here)

You can definitely be lacking privilege and be in the center. Those 2 things have nothing to do with each other, that's the way I see it through personal life experience though.


But yeah, final thoughts? You gotta be yourself. If you are in the center, understand why to some you may be perceived as problematic and push for respect so that you can learn something. If you aren't in the center, know that someone who may be need not necessarily be your enemy; you may have common ground so be civil and decent. Am I right? Am I wrong? Who knows, what I do know is that what's important is treating people with respect. And of course there are vile, racist, degenerate, bigoted, discriminatory, and hateful people out there, and of course one should be concerned, but assuming anyone not strictly on your side of the grid/compass is one of them only hurts you. After all, garbage people like the aforementioned can be found anywhere, even amongst your side of the grid.

Peace, love, respect, tolerance, understanding.
 

Astra Planeta

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Jan 26, 2018
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This is kind of a loaded question here, since this plans leans very far to the left. Its perfectly possible to agree with some things Republicans do and disagree with some of the Democratic Policies, and vice-versa. The US is at its best politically when a moderate mindset is what runs things, not this crazy polarization we have now.
 

Pyramid Head

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Oct 27, 2017
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I know a few people who identify as 'centrist' but post exclusively anti 'SJW' and red pill MRA dogshit on Social media and whatever else they think the radical left and feminazis are upset about. From the contents of their posts I reckon I could accurately guess 90% of their subscribed YouTube channels.
In my experience, 'centrist' tends to be a convinient position which right leaning cowards think gives them cover.

Genuine 'centrists' I find to be even more pointless TBH. If that's a position you can claim to hold in the current political climate, then you don't really have anything to contribute that is of any value to anyone. There seems to be a conceit which runs through centrism where there is a sense of pride for having 'elevated' yourself beyond the petty squabbling of the left and right like your some sort of overseer, able to drop wisdom bombs from above. Nah.
 

TarNaru33

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Oct 27, 2017
2,045
I'm not sure what you expect to get out of this thread. It's established fact that ERA hates centrist thought. (As they should tbh, it's cowardly in the age of Trump)

This isn't even true, though. Era hates those who sides with Republicans/Conservatives and/or their policies while trying to call themselves a centrist. Often they try to make the Republicans seem like they aren't that bad, disguising themselves as centrist/moderate to deflect and/or make it seem their views are reasonable.

Its hard to even define what a centrist is as everyone seems to have different opinions on where the line is. While Hillary wasn't a centrist for example, she wasn't far left to where I would call her a leftist. I would consider her to be left of center a bit. Because every "progressive" policy she bought up, had dash of moderate in it, where it didn't exactly go far enough.
 

andymcc

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Oct 25, 2017
26,401
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I am a firm believer that you have to be yourself. Why would being yourself be cowardly or smart? Being yourself is just your natural state, it isn't inherently anything, so if you are someone on the center in most things, how could that ever be cowardly or smart?

I don't like the centrist label myself but....

People like me tend to be loathed or feared or shunned. Now this is just my personally view, but hate and fear I've received from multiple sides seems mostly out of not being able to control me. The way I see it, they fear me because they can't control or manipulate or bully me, but that doesn't mean that I'm an enemy either. I don't care what your leanings are, I don't care what you are, hell, in most cases I don't even care who you are, just be a decent person and you're fine in my book. I truly believe that in most, not all of course, but most cases, we are more alike than we are different. Why not find some common ground, worst being decent, and talk? Worst thing that can happen is some new ink at the cost of some time, right?

Gonna touch up on a few things:

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See, this is kind of what I was taking about, how is it cowardly to be yourself? That and I'd say let us not label an entire forum as haters of X or supporters of Y or ignores of Z.

How is it privilege if being open about it leads to the majority of people from all sides hating you in some way? At least when you are not in the center, you can find some support, but when you are dead center? Yeah, it isn't exactly a walk in the park.

Speaking of privilege, some people who are political outliers can also be people who lack privilege. I'm queer, which puts me in a minority, yet I'm also a minority within that minority, I'm a Semite so there's that, but I'm in the minority within that as well so I get race hate not just by racist non-Jews but by racist Jews as well who aren't in my Jewish minority , I'm visually impaired, get migendered all the time, etc... (seriously, there's a lot more, but I shan't go into it here)

You can definitely be lacking privilege and be in the center. Those 2 things have nothing to do with each other, that's the way I see it through personal life experience though.


But yeah, final thoughts? You gotta be yourself. If you are in the center, understand why to some you may be perceived as problematic and push for respect so that you can learn something. If you aren't in the center, know that someone who may be need not necessarily be your enemy; you may have common ground so be civil and decent. Am I right? Am I wrong? Who knows, what I do know is that what's important is treating people with respect. And of course there are vile, racist, degenerate, bigoted, discriminatory, and hateful people out there, and of course one should be concerned, but assuming anyone not strictly on your side of the grid/compass is one of them only hurts you. After all, garbage people like the aforementioned can be found anywhere, even amongst your side of the grid.

Peace, love, respect, tolerance, understanding.

why would you spend so many words trying to find a middle-ground with a political group/side that is literally trying to legally erase your identity?
 

RestEerie

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Aug 20, 2018
13,618
What if I'm for same-sex marriage but I'm against recreational drug use? Am I a conservative or a liberal?

People are not computer that think in binary terms.

Also for goodness sakes, USA is not the center of the universe. Stop using American rheteoric to 'judge' the world.

This is no difference than 'if you are not with us, you are against us' type of proclamation that Bush spouted.
 

LucidMomentum

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Nov 18, 2017
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why would you spend so many words trying to find a middle-ground with a political group/side that is literally trying to legally erase your identity?

Because a lot of people like being pacifists because it's easier to be extinguished than to fight.

As for the OP, it's both. It's smart from a PR / Professional perspective. We see it a lot of the time in industry. Just pretending that being in the "middle" is the safest option (it is, if you have the privilege of not being affected by your middle ground stance) is also considered "safe" in regards to not getting into debates / arguments or having people confront you.

However, in this day and age I can't see how you can find a "middle ground" in between supporting human rights and supporting white nationalism.
 

GodofWine

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Oct 26, 2017
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The parties are so far apart now, that the center is skewed.

There are some things the repubs have put into place that are actually solid, and some of the things the far left democrats want that I disagree with, I lean heavily democrat though, but they aren't perfect, and in a less incendiary political atmosphere, I would vote for a republican I found intriguing (at this moment, I'm just pulling the 'all democrat' lever)

I just usually find it really really rare for a republican to say this about that party - they are lock step ususally.
 

Indiana Jones

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Oct 27, 2017
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I work for a rather far-left nonprofit and consider myself a centrist? Why?

a.) I don't believe in demonizing the other side, even when they are demonizing you. Don't fixate on the signal-boosted crazies. Most people are just not that tuned into politics, they just support the team they always have. I have family and friends who are strongly conservative, and most of them are not bad people, just deeply misguided. And I deal daily with far too many horrible liberals who think their "good politics" excuse the fact that they are rude, selfish, cruel assholes. It's like the religious people who think their "faith" is a cover for their racism and sexism. Hypocrites, all.

Why do I believe this? Because the biggest problem facing our country is apathy and cynicism. If you're not tuned into politics, you might only see 5% of the rancor through headlines and chryons and say "I don't want anything to do with any of these people, they all suck."

b.) There's a mistaken belief that the left is infallibly brilliant when it comes to policies, that all our policies make fiscal and human sense, and our numbers all add up. We fudge numbers and use magical thinking too! I've seen dishonest studies produced that later got turned into talking points and bullhorned by the Sanders and Warren camp. It honestly makes me sad, I want us to be better!

c.) There's a disturbing crossover between the far-left and the far-right when it comes to the Conspiracy Theory Caucus. It's bothered me for a long time and Trump has been the perfect storm, bringing the worst people together across the political spectrum. Some hate Trump, some love Trump, some are just profiting off the chaos. For instance, there are prominent, powerful liberals who privately bought into the Seth Rich conspiracy. I don't want those folks getting more power and influence.

d.) Trump is an abomination. The worst president and worst public figure of our lifetime. The Overton Window of politics absolutely needs to shift left, and Trump is so cartoonishly bad, that this is a golden opportunity for that to happen. But America is a big, complicated country. We need Joe Manchins and Connor Lambs and Phil Bredesens. Our country would be a far healthier place if the political divide was between the Clinton right and the Sanders left, and I think that's feasible if we can pull the centrist R's and independents just a little further. Recall the only reason Obamacare came to be is because of "centrist" Joe Biden convinced Republican Arlen Specter to switch parties giving Dems the 60 votes they needed.
 

Deleted member 5167

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Okay, an actual example of centrism.
The right want more military spending, because the right always want more military spending.
The left want more spending on social benefits, because the left always want more spending on social benefits.

An example centrist solution would be to increase funding to the military engineering corps, and as part of their training they build low income government housing at home before going abroad.
The right are happy because they get more military spending, but they're not entirely happy because they wanted more guns not more engineers.
The left are happy because they get low income social housing, but they're not entirely happy because its still military spending at the expense of social welfare spending.
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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This isn't even true, though. Era hates those who sides with Republicans/Conservatives and/or their policies while trying to call themselves a centrist. Often they try to make the Republicans seem like they aren't that bad, disguising themselves as centrist/moderate to deflect and/or make it seem their views are reasonable.

Its hard to even define what a centrist is as everyone seems to have different opinions on where the line is. While Hillary wasn't a centrist for example, she wasn't far left to where I would call her a leftist. I would consider her to be left of center a bit. Because every "progressive" policy she bought up, had dash of moderate in it, where it didn't exactly go far enough.

If the boot fits...
 

Chuchubabe

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am glad i live in Portugal. Political alt right morons will never reach power, they are a fart in the wind here , no one cares or listens to them and i dont think we have extreme left here. A guys like Trump or Bolsonaro would never win here.

Seeing posts on era is weird, its like there is left and who isn`t left is a Nazi/Bombist fucker.
 

entremet

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Oct 26, 2017
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Most of the notable Democrats are centrists. Including, Obama, Pelosi, The Clintons, and so on. So I have no idea how this word became so vilified of late.
 

P-MAC

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It's neither. If you have some left wing views and some right wing views, you're a centrist. Our opinions are based on our principles and morals. They are something that can develop and change with time as you learn and grow, but they aren't something you can change at will. And you can't be smart or a coward for something you can't change.

There is no true fiscally conservative party in the US, but there is one that is at least trying to be socially liberal, so you only have one viable option.

Anyone who actually believes the Republican party is "fiscally conservative" either doesn't know what that term means or is lying to themselves.

We're talking about personal individual opinions here, it makes no difference if there's not a party that agrees with you. If you're a centrist and there's no centrist party, you're not suddenly something else, even if you vote that way. And to answer the person's original question, yes, if you're socially liberal and fiscally conservative, you are a centrist. Most people will swing more one way than the other but very few will swing 100% in one direction on every possible issue.

Ask yourself where being in the center of racists and non-racists is.

Nowhere, it's a black and white issue (pun not intended), obviously, but you can't decide whether someone's a centrist or not based on one issue anyway. Whether you're a racist or violently against racism, you can still be a centrist or not, it depends on every other one of your views.
 

Pasha

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Jan 27, 2018
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Centrists and Classical Liberals™ are just right wingers who are just embarrassed to admit that they are right wingers.
That's why they exclusively shit on the left wing in this country, and you have to corner and interrogate them just so they will admit that right wingers do bad things too, and even then their admission will be given with 50 different caveats and a non-stop reminders about how "bu but the left does it too".
 
Jun 7, 2018
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In it's true sense, as a fifty/fifty balance between socialist and capitalist policies, I get it. Espousing an equilibrium between, on one hand, human rights, workers rights, consumer rights, environmental ethics, healthcare for all, and on the other hand, the rights of corporations to freely operate and make their money as long as they pay their fair tax share, I can understand. However, it seems like right now, the far-right are playing at "being centrist" to further shift the Overton Window, which, globally, is already perhaps skewed further right than in living memory.
 

Pokiehl

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Oct 29, 2017
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I've considered myself a moderate/centrist, because I hold more radical views from both sides. I'm from the US

Left:

Monetary reparations for AA, starting with housing but extending to employment and education afterwards
Health care for everyone (many ways to do this)
Free community college and debt free non community college
Huge investments in infrastructure and R&D
Required voting (similar to Australia)
A high inheritance tax
Capital gains taxed as income
Optimal rate of taxation for high income earners (60-65%)
No income taxes for poor/middle income
Very socially liberal

Right:
No corporate taxes
High consumption taxes
Simplify tax code - eliminate the three great evils like mortgage interest deduction, health care spending deduction, and state & local tax deduction
Minimally restrictive/more open boarders (this is traditionally a Republican view in the US)
Extremely pro free trade (again, traditionally right)
Anti Union
Big defense budget
YIMBY
 

ManixMiner

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Dec 17, 2017
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I would say I'm left-of-centre-Right.

I'm all for freedom,liberty,LBTQ rights,welfare, free healthcare etc but I'm also very fiscally conservative.

I've voted labour (left) and Tories (right) in the past and will do so in the future.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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Most of the notable Democrats are centrists. Including, Obama, Pelosi, The Clintons, and so on. So I have no idea how this word became so vilified of late.
Yeah, I'd seen Obama billed as a pragmatist (a better description imo) in articles prior to the presidential elections. People in both parties though billed him as some far left progressive, though with different connotations. Probably because he was black, breaking the mold. Certain things were taken as betrayals by progressive Democrats, when really he was being the guy he always was. He became more progressive on certain issues over the course of his career, but was still a fairly traditional U.S. president.
 

Deleted member 37739

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The fence is a good place to sit and take a view from - get the best measure of everything on all sides of something as dispassionately as you can - but you can't stay there indefinitely, once you've got a view of thing you have to decide which parts you support, which you're willing to stand by and which you absolutely can't.

Seeing all sides of an argument is smart and rational; pretending there's no moral or rational difference between them (as so-called 'centrists' sometimes do) isn't - in most cases it protects a status quo and at worst dismisses legitimate problems in society that need tackling.

It's reasonable and intelligent to have a clear understanding of every side argument, it's not to float in a state of perpetual agnosticism about issues where you're sufficiently well-informed to make a decision about it.
 
Aug 14, 2018
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Being a centrist is the sensible, pragmatic option. Radical black-or-white thinking only serves to widen the gulf between people and creates the current climate we're in where everything devolves into a shouting match and no one even makes an attempt to understand the other person's viewpoint.
 

marrec

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Oct 26, 2017
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Most of the notable Democrats are centrists. Including, Obama, Pelosi, The Clintons, and so on. So I have no idea how this word became so vilified of late.

There is this philosophy that's been gaining steam recently that centrists, even Democrat centrists, are actually complicit in all the bad things ascribed to the opposition party. By that flawed logic no matter what kind of centrist you are you are made guilty of crimes beyond imagination.
 

John Doe

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Jan 24, 2018
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People pay far too much attention to labels.

Government sponsored healthcare, LGBT rights, minority rights and university education should not be "Leftist" issues. They shouldn't even be political issues.

They should just be accepted by everyone regardless of political affiliation.

But this is just me wanting a perfect world.
 

Anoregon

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's neither. If you have some left wing views and some right wing views, you're a centrist. Our opinions are based on our principles and morals. They are something that can develop and change with time as you learn and grow, but they aren't something you can change at will. And you can't be smart or a coward for something you can't change.



We're talking about personal individual opinions here, it makes no difference if there's not a party that agrees with you. If you're a centrist and there's no centrist party, you're not suddenly something else, even if you vote that way. And to answer the person's original question, yes, if you're socially liberal and fiscally conservative, you are a centrist. Most people will swing more one way than the other but very few will swing 100% in one direction on every possible issue.

I think the problem is that you are arguing from a perspective of, let's say, qualitative centrism, while I am approaching this from a more quantitative perspective. Who you vote for is the most (and often only) meaningful expression of your personal opinion in the political world. What you believe is, on its own, meaningless. The actions you take in service of those beliefs is what actually matters, and when it comes to social and economic issues that is reflected in supporting a specific person or party at the voting booth. Especially in a 2 party system like the US, you are making an explicit choice to support one side or the other. So many people in this thread may scoff at the idea of centrism outright, or similar positions (Ie, socially liberal/economic conservative) because it is often times a smoke screen for people who vote republican but don't want to take ownership of what it really means to support the current republican platform. The situation may be different in countries with different political systems, but I can't really speak to that.
 

Amory

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Oct 27, 2017
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As a political moderate myself, it blows because I dislike all of my options.

I'm not voting for Republicans for the time being, as long as they're content to bow down to Trump and his supporters they've lost me. So I'm voting Democrat for the time being but it's a bitter pill to swallow as Dems are capitalizing on their opportunity to move left
 

P-MAC

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I think the problem is that you are arguing from a perspective of, let's say, qualitative centrism, while I am approaching this from a more quantitative perspective. Who you vote for is the most (and often only) meaningful expression of your personal opinion in the political world. What you believe is, on its own, meaningless. The actions you take in service of those beliefs is what actually matters, and when it comes to social and economic issues that is reflected in supporting a specific person or party at the voting booth. Especially in a 2 party system like the US, you are making an explicit choice to support one side or the other. So many people in this thread may scoff at the idea of centrism outright, or similar positions (Ie, socially liberal/economic conservative) because it is often times a smoke screen for people who vote republican but don't want to take ownership of what it really means to support the current republican platform. The situation may be different in countries with different political systems, but I can't really speak to that.

Makes sense, sorry about the misunderstanding. I'm from the UK, where for all intents and purposes it's a 2 party system because there's only two with a large enough support base to matter, but there ARE other parties if you feel the need, and people who aren't happy with either main party will sometimes vote for another just as a kind of protest. But you're right, if you have an opinion that isn't matched by a party, you won't be represented and don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
 

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People pay far too much attention to labels.

Government sponsored healthcare, LGBT rights, minority rights and university education should not be "Leftist" issues. They shouldn't even be political issues.

They should just be accepted by everyone regardless of political affiliation.

But this is just me wanting a perfect world.

So much truth...

When you take a step back it's even more mind boggling. I can understand why people would want to keep an immovable iron grip on something they hugely benefited from, but the force with which some people object to how someone else gets on with their life is stupefying to me.

I don't know about being necessarily smart or cowardly, maybe lazy or apathetic is more appropriate, but I do think that your type of personality probably plays a factor in some of this, some people just naturally don't have very much passion or will especially when it comes to other people and there problems, nevermind even for themselves.

I'd say it probably has more to do with circumstances. If a person's politically apathetic it's likely because they don't feel their lives are greatly affected by political change - they're wealthy and well-situated enough that political tides never rock their boat. If on the other hand a change in government policy really has an impact on someone's life - if their job, family life or place where they lived were severely negatively affected by a political decision - I doubt their first response would be shrug and say 'I don't do politics'.
 
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TarNaru33

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As a political moderate myself, it blows because I dislike all of my options.

I'm not voting for Republicans for the time being, as long as they're content to bow down to Trump and his supporters they've lost me. So I'm voting Democrat for the time being but it's a bitter pill to swallow as Dems are capitalizing on their opportunity to move left


See this is an example of what I mean. The Republican party has always been trash long before Trump...

The fact that people don't recognize this as moderates, is a huge problem in this country. Republicans aren't "moderates" especially since 2010, because the extreme conservatives took hold of the party!
 

GrimJawz

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Canada
I don't know about being necessarily smart or cowardly, maybe lazy or apathetic is more appropriate, but I do think that your type of personality probably plays a factor in some of this, some people just naturally don't have very much passion or will especially when it comes to other people and there problems, nevermind even for themselves.