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RUMOR: Massive Smash Ultimate leak is allegedly an emotional roller coaster [UPDATES IN OP]
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They wouldn't even be implying they had information if the situation was that dire.
You won't get a definite answer. None of us will until it's been officially confirmed/debunked.
You joke, but going through the trash is a pretty good way to get secrets if said company doesn't have a proper destruction system.
Like there's a reason, things are double shredded or burned beyond recognition and then thrown away in special containers.
And this is just to not leave a PAPER trail
I just wish they'd understand how frustrating it is for us to be told it's fake but have nothing to back it up, but we're still expected to believe them.
This is why I doubt it too. It panders way too much to internet forums, which is also coincidentally the only audience that follows leaks so closely. If it was just 1 deep cut I would consider that plausible. But 4 deep cuts? No way. We already had 1 in K Rool too. Ridley isn't a deep cut nor is Dark Samus. Metroid just finally got it's villains.
The idea that this is fake just got a lot more convoluted.
You now have to assume that the guy who faked everything not only went through all of the trouble of creating all of this stuff, but actually decided to frame someone else as the leaker instead of leaking it anonymously.
You now have to assume that the guy who faked everything not only went through all of the trouble of creating all of this stuff, but actually decided to frame someone else as the leaker instead of leaking it anonymously.
Evil otter plots?
You're lying to us all in order to get our hopes down :P
With all these insiders saying they know info, I'll be more than happy as a normie to verify and not leak anything if they want to prove themselves. I promise on my journalism degree I don't use to not leak.
I'm thinking there's not much but trusted sources though.
I'm thinking there's not much but trusted sources though.
I guess then I'm on Team Wait And See and Team Confused, I've gotten headache reading this thread and trying to figure everything out and just want to wait until we get new official info to make an actual guess at this point.
This thread currently sits at a poll with 2000 people thinking this rumor is real. Beyond that, Smash fans are well documented for their perserverance in regards to sensitive subjects like this. This series has one of the highest level of hoaxes in any game out there, because people are that attached to it.
Let's not mince words about this - Era might argue otherwise, but with how much traction this leak has made, a lot of people are going to end up really angry if this doesn't end up becoming real. That would be unfair to the amount of effort Sakurai and his team has poured into this project.
Which is likely why a lot of "insiders"are speaking up about it now the best they can. To say "hey, maybe cool your jets - because from my own knowledge this doesn't seem right". Considering most of these guys rarely comment on Smash rumors, that seems notable enough to me, and a lot of people saying it aren't what I'd call clout chasers here.
NX controller 3D print was more elaborate and way more work.
Yes, it was. Tons of people decried that as well until video footage surfaced. But even after that there were some people still unconvinced, claiming the video footage was clearly made with Brawl mods.
Real leaks can be blurry too.
I'm starting to lost faith on it, but I'm still team real.
The insiders have been wrong about a lot of things, ironically it's always been idiots on 4chan who leak this stuff, while "verified" people on Gamefaq's & Twitter get it wrong 90% of the time.
what if the day Pokemon music was added to the blog was the day Sakurai decided to push incineroar to dlc
Just because they built themselves a soap box doesn't automatically give them credibility .
this is the impression I get
"I have information I know you guys want, but I absolutely can't say anything!!!!!!!!!"
Yeah I'm starting to feel the same, one or two guys maybe but it's like there is a groupe of people who share the same opinion, i'm pretty sure at least one of them knows something.
I guess that's true. Anything that involves more than a few minutes worth of work or layering of ideas just seems absolutely insane to me.
Is that really convoluted? Isnt that what you would do if you wanted to give the leak the air of legitimacy? It's what made this leake much more believable.
My Phoenix Wright instincts lead me to believe:
The leak is real, but Eric Birard was framed by a vindictive co-worker.
If it's fake, it's by far the best fake I've ever seen.
Here are my claims:
1. What's written on the Snapchat images doesn't make sense.
- If he's saying "**** you Nintendo lol, I'm leaking your game", it would be ultra-dumb considering he signed an NDA and he didn't hide his name.
- If he's saying "**** Nintendo lol, what a dumb company to be printing things for", it would still be ultra-dumb considering his NDA, and it just makes him seem like a stupid person, posting stuff like that about his work. (But it's still a definite possibility)
- If you'd be framing someone, that's exactly what you'd write.
2. The work environment is completely real.
- The people, companies and locations all add up. Revealing your real identity even for a fake leak would be risky.
- Using this to your advantage to get someone fired is totally possible.
3. Modifying the full character artwork would be too much work.
- Adding characters is one thing, but repositionning most of the characters and adding parts that were hidden would be the work of a monk. You could point to the Rayman fake and say that people are ready to invest a lot of time in fakes or say the blur loosens the need for extreme precision; but even so, as a graphic designer myself, modifying a complex digital painting would be way more annoying than creating new assets and would not be worth the gigantic effort needed.
Last but not least: Occam's Razor
Option A, it's fake:
Option B: It's real
- If insider's know about other characters that aren't in the artwork, i t could be esily explained by saying they're DLC or this artwork simply isn't the final version.
It's the perfect internet-age crime: To get your co-worker fired, with no way to prove you did it.
Also, I like the leaked characters so I'm biased.
The leak is real, but Eric Birard was framed by a vindictive co-worker.
If it's fake, it's by far the best fake I've ever seen.
Here are my claims:
1. What's written on the Snapchat images doesn't make sense.
- If he's saying "**** you Nintendo lol, I'm leaking your game", it would be ultra-dumb considering he signed an NDA and he didn't hide his name.
- If he's saying "**** Nintendo lol, what a dumb company to be printing things for", it would still be ultra-dumb considering his NDA, and it just makes him seem like a stupid person, posting stuff like that about his work. (But it's still a definite possibility)
- If you'd be framing someone, that's exactly what you'd write.
2. The work environment is completely real.
- The people, companies and locations all add up. Revealing your real identity even for a fake leak would be risky.
- Using this to your advantage to get someone fired is totally possible.
3. Modifying the full character artwork would be too much work.
- Adding characters is one thing, but repositionning most of the characters and adding parts that were hidden would be the work of a monk. You could point to the Rayman fake and say that people are ready to invest a lot of time in fakes or say the blur loosens the need for extreme precision; but even so, as a graphic designer myself, modifying a complex digital painting would be way more annoying than creating new assets and would not be worth the gigantic effort needed.
Last but not least: Occam's Razor
Option A, it's fake:
Option B: It's real
- If insider's know about other characters that aren't in the artwork, i t could be esily explained by saying they're DLC or this artwork simply isn't the final version.
It's the perfect internet-age crime: To get your co-worker fired, with no way to prove you did it.
Also, I like the leaked characters so I'm biased.
It's not that I disagree, but I feel like if they're going to use their positions to say "cool your jets, it's not legit" then it's not unreasonable to want evidence. If we had one contradictory pic or video then this thread would not have taken off. Heck, you yourself are the one person who's put in the work creating a credible theory as to why the leak is fake, pointing out the inconsistencies on the background.
But again, the idea of being disappointed by a video game rumour is completely alien to me. Do people actually freak out over this to insiders?
It makes sense. Insiders are a great way to do a controlled leak since they want to protect their source. For leaks Nintendo doesn't want to get out, it's better to be completely anonymous.
Actually saying, "I know something about Smash." already can lead a paper trail to his source, lol. It wouldn't be much different from revealing the information itself. That suggests that someone he knows in his personal life that knows something about Smash (likely Nintendo related) told him something. That's enough information to get somebody fired easily.
What if he forgot about the verified music rule and upon realising he posted pokemon music he knew that he HAD to cut Inciniroar as a result of its iron clad rulings.
I would agree with you if only one or two guys spoke up about it. But more than 6 people have talked about this being fake, that's too many to believe this is real now for me.
It's also an example of someone creating fake supporting evidence to back up a fake posted by an unconnected party, which could be the same deal with the 4chan post and the Smash image.
Oh god.
Forget this leak being fake, can you imagine the shitstorm if the only character left is Ken?
Never mind Smash characters insiders can have some real shit lobbed at them even if their info is real. Emily was a pretty prominent insider but she's taken a total step back. Saying Ridley was in and the roster is Ultimate is her most recent leak and that was before E3
Because they want to cast doubt on a rumor and temper expectations.
Who knows if Inciniroar got cut, will be DLC or is still actually in the game, either way, i think personally Inciniroar got the boot to focus on a Gen 8 rep as DLC & most importantly being the first new Smash Ultimate Pokemon.
if they think they're going to temper expectations by saying "this isn't real" with zero proof then they don't understand how people and the internet works
In response I think it's because of the amount of traction this got is what is making them come out
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