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Which team are you in, hooman? (NOTE: Vote-changing disabled!)

  • #TeamReal

    Votes: 2,046 67.7%
  • #TeamFake

    Votes: 978 32.3%

  • Total voters
    3,024
  • Poll closed .
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Deleted member 36578

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Independent of this leak:

Sakurai or his marketing team know what the fuck they're doiing. They are not going to go silent for a month only to cap the roster off with an echo and a Pokemon.

Agreed. It's what I've been trying to tell people for months. There's a lot of people on the Ken incineroar train though and they won't get off on any of the stops.
 

Deleted member 2254

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If this is fake, the amount of effort that must have gone into it seems bonkers. Unless the leaker really did get his hands on some leaked material (for example the empty background) and decided to have some fun with the rest.
 

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I mean we have people calling workplaces and got a company to deny a person's involvement with a site because of how afraid this rumor would damage the company's reputation, I'd say this entire thing has been proof positive of how uncaring gaming communities are for something as dumb as a possible leak.

I don't think calling a workplace is really that uncaring ? Like it's not someone from this thread that did it but a proper news site. That's just investigating the case.
 

Rotobit

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Oct 27, 2017
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You can't argue that people should provide evidence and then follow it up by posting images/saying things that basically amount to "the evidence provided just proves people are craaaazy"

Most of the stuff in the OP was done for a laugh and then it turned out there were actual, real connections. It wasn't people losing sleep because they want their beloved Geno to pop up. Hell, I don't care about pretty much any of the characters in the "leak", I just had fun researching it

I dunno why everything has to be extremes
 

Serebii

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Oct 24, 2017
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Maybe I'm missing some crucial experience because the idea of getting disappointed by a rumour that turned out fake is silly to me, especially in a game already bursting at the seams with content.
It's silly to me too, but I see it all the time. Every year with every Pokémon game I see it and I see it every generation with every Smash Bros. game
 

Big One

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Oct 25, 2017
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Independent of this leak:

Sakurai or his marketing team know what the fuck they're doiing. They are not going to go silent for a month only to cap the roster off with an echo and a Pokemon.
Well the Vergeben rumor extends to "Minecraft content" and "Square-Enix rep" as well, lol. Another leaker that has gotten some stuff right about the new Samurai Showdown game also claims Steve is playable in Smash Bros.

None of this contradicts this alleged leak however cause nobody is claiming that's the final roster or anything of that sort.
 

Strat

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Apr 8, 2018
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This rumor is literally two sides of the same coin right now.

"The evidence to support this is as real is crazy"

"The evidence to support this as fake is crazy"

Like you can easily see why we're at the spot we're at. Especially when there's a piece missing that could debunk that isn't just "I've seen things"
Yup. The biggest problem is the "smoking gun" can only be seen by a single side of the argument and that is always going to frustrate people.
 

Deleted member 8791

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I'm very up to date :)

I've seen fakes and leaks treated like this so often. I know how it goes.

People see something. They hype themselves up. They come to all sorts of conclusions proving it's real or proving it's fake. Turns out they're wrong and it's fake or they're wrong and it's real. They then bitch about what we actually get because the hyped themselves up in their heads that this is going to be the way it's going to go.

This is 20 years of experience in this industry talking to you right here. I've seen it all before.
That's fine then. I prefer to be neutral and look at it from both sides. I want it to be real obviously but I'm not invested. Currently there's more evidence for it being real which is unique in bigger leaks; they usually crumble fast. It's fine if nothing without proof interests you but there's no need to come into this thread and telling people "how things are like" then.
 

The Adder

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I'm honestly concerned that the backlash (if this proves to be false) could impact sales. As you said, we're past the point of no return now. The idea that Smash Ultimate's perception could be considerably damaged by a potentially-fake rumor is honestly kinda sad.
No one but enthusiasts and friends of enthusiasts know or care about this leak. And we're in for the long haul regardless.
 

Disclaimer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just got mobbed for suggesting the fact that burden of proof is on proving it's real, not proving it's fake...

You're being a little dramatic, aren't you? Mobbed? You're the only one being hostile, as far as I can tell.

There's no way this could be proven real until an official announcement. In the meantime, there are a plethora of ways in which it could be proven fake, which is why the concentration has been on that. We won't know for certain what's real (without proving what's fake) until an official announcement.

I don't care a thing about Smash, so this has been an amusing ride. I voted Real, simply because Isaac and Geno would get me to purchase the game as a JRPG fan, but I can absolutely see the frustration with self-important "insiders" coyly and condescendingly mocking people while providing no reasoning.
 

Metto

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Smash's fan base regularly goes through it's own kübler ross model. Right now we're in the "anger" phase.



We've had mods here vouch for several guys who's posting against this leak, and Zhuge voted #TeamFake in the poll.

I think it's pretty clear where the staff stands on this rumor.
If that's the case why haven't they locked the thread if they're so confident it's fake?

Just lock, say it's fake, and call us all crazy mother fuckers and be done with it. This "rumor" has gotten so crazy we're contacting French printing companies to find any thing that can properly deconfirm the leak.

Unless if the insiders themselves know their info isn't strong enough and can be wrong
 

Ehoavash

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Andre kind of implied a certain missing franchise rep



Look whose back in disscussiod vitches
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Ahri

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Oct 25, 2017
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Your tag is "Lying PR".

Hmmm, is this another point for teamreal then?

Real talk: whether this is true or fake, I don't care. Because I'll enjoy the game when it's out, no matter what.

Also, having worked in the gaming industry, while being a gamer myself, I tend to trust in publishers/devs and let them do their thing - so give time to time and wait for reveals.
 

Weiss

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It's silly to me too, but I see it all the time. Every year with every Pokémon game I see it and I see it every generation with every Smash Bros. game

I suppose. At the end of the day if this is fake then the worst that happens is I wear a Haruka Amami avatar for a month. I can't imagine feeling actual, physical disappointment beyond "it would have been cool to have these characters in."

Like I said, several staffers, including Zhuge, have been in here to vouch for some of the people who have spoken out against this. Zhuge even voted #TeamFake on the poll.

There's nothing else they can do. People don't care. They just want someone to slip and post a real leak.

Unless I'm misremembering (and please correct me if I am), they were verified as credible sources of information, not that they were concretely right about this particular incident.
 

Tribal_Cult

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Serebii is close to having a breakdown.
First insider to fall, I expect Andre next.
Liam already prepared for It: "If it's real I'll gladly take the L"
I mean if you've SEEN the characters how Can you even possibly entertain the idea this is possibly true?
 

ned_ballad

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I feel like the conclusion to this whole thing is going to be someone getting fed up and leaking the insider proof to 4chan

And in some ways I feel like people want that conclusion and that's why they're holding onto it being real unless proof is provided
 
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If that's the case why haven't they locked the thread if they're so confident it's fake?

Just lock, say it's fake, and call us all crazy mother fuckers and be done with it. This "rumor" has gotten so crazy we're contacting French printing companies to find any thing that can properly deconfirm the leak.

Unless if the insiders themselves know their info isn't strong enough and can be wrong

Just to clarify I don't think anyone on Era contacted the company lol, this leak is being discussed on many forums and ofc Twitter. Pretty sure more extreme/insnae fans outside of Era are doing that kind of stuff
 

RochHoch

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Plot Twist: the leak is fake as fuck but Sakurai catches wind of the community's reaction to it and decides to make it come true in the DLC

If only
 

psychowave

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm very up to date :)

I've seen fakes and leaks treated like this so often. I know how it goes.

People see something. They hype themselves up. They come to all sorts of conclusions proving it's real or proving it's fake. Turns out they're wrong and it's fake or they're wrong and it's real. They then bitch about what we actually get because the hyped themselves up in their heads that this is going to be the way it's going to go.

This is 20 years of experience in this industry talking to you right here. I've seen it all before.
why even come into this thread if you hate it when people discuss rumors lmao. just to say that you're better than everyone else?
 

Jonneh

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Oct 24, 2017
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Serebii is close to having a breakdown.
First insider to fall, I expect Andre next.
Liam already prepared for It: "If it's real I'll gladly take the L"
I mean if you've SEEN the characters how Can you even possibly entertain the idea this is possibly true?
I don't think Serebii is entertaining it being true in any way, he said you're all nuts if I recall
 

elLOaSTy

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As someone who's favorite franchiy is Pokémon O not only believe this is real but also hope so because Incineroar is lame
 

Platy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have seen that video before. Doesn't change what I said. Rare from the N64 days is gone. Microsoft might want to dig Banjo from the graveyard but why would Nintendo?
Waluigi had a better chance (0% versus negative numbers).

This is smash ultimate, which means sakurai might want to revisit cut ideas from previous games. like banjo, mach rider and chorus kids.
 
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