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Which team are you in, hooman? (NOTE: Vote-changing disabled!)

  • #TeamReal

    Votes: 2,046 67.7%
  • #TeamFake

    Votes: 978 32.3%

  • Total voters
    3,024
  • Poll closed .
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Serebii

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Oct 24, 2017
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I'm sorry, but have you missed the evidences on pointing it towards real?

No existing renders of the characters, the LinkedIn connection with a printing company, matches up with the insider rumor from 4chan 1 month ago.

Honestly it seems more easy to believe it's real than that it's fake.
I've missed no evidence pointing towards it being real.

It basically is this
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Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
26,561
I'm honestly concerned that the backlash (if this proves to be false) could impact sales. As you said, we're past the point of no return now. The idea that Smash Ultimate's perception could be considerably damaged by a potentially-fake rumor is honestly kinda sad.

No, there's no way that's happening. There's a big difference between psycho forum posts and the reality of buying your favorite video game. Don't worry about that.
 

Phendrift

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,303
I'm honestly concerned that the backlash (if this proves to be false) could impact sales. As you said, we're past the point of no return now. The idea that Smash Ultimate's perception could be considerably damaged by a potentially-fake rumor is honestly kinda sad.
This will not affect sales. Most people's sales were secured after Everyone is Here + Ridley lol.

Ultimate's hype cycle is truly the case of "icing on the cake"
 

Platy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,703
Brazil
I (think) I'm on team real but some of you folks need to chill.

If this ends up fake I'm worried that the focus on era will be on what's not in the game over what is in it: a ton of cool ass stuff that we love.

Also keep in mind that most of the insiders that have spoken up most likely did so in a vain attempt to keep our rabid expectations in check, and those individuals are now probably wishing they hadn't said anything due to how some of you are acting.

in other words :

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Deleted member 2791

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no time to waste arguing with people of bad faith anyway
this thread went super well until people came in and decided to pretend that everyone is crazy for not seeing how it's fake, without every saying why it is
 

TimeFire

Avenger
Nov 26, 2017
9,625
Brazil
Wait, doesn't Era has a system for something like that? If someone really has any proof this is fake, but they don't want to share, couldn't they just PM the mods? Mods could verify their info and we would calm down. (I think)
I'm honestly concerned that the backlash (if this proves to be false) could impact sales. As you said, we're past the point of no return now. The idea that Smash Ultimate's perception could be considerably damaged by a potentially-fake rumor is honestly kinda sad.

I don't think Smash's primary audience cares too much or even follows leaks. I doubt this has an effect in Nintendo's bottom line.
 

NotLiquid

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
34,775
I thought the Pokémon community went batshit crazy with fakes/rumours.

I've been mobbed for saying burden of proof is on it being real rather than on it being fake.

Come on guys, you're better than this.
Smash's fan base regularly goes through it's own kübler ross model. Right now we're in the "anger" phase.

Wait, doesn't Era has a system for something like that? If someone really has any proof this is fake, but they don't want to share, couldn't they just PM the mods? Mods could verify their info and we would calm down. (I think)

We've had mods here vouch for several guys who's posting against this leak, and Zhuge voted #TeamFake in the poll.

I think it's pretty clear where the staff stands on this rumor.
 

Neoxon

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Oct 25, 2017
85,384
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I mean I want to believe because this leak seems way more Sakurai than being boring and ending on Ken and Inceniroar or at the least I hope both leaks are fake!
Because Inceniroar is just kinda boring to me as both a general or Pokémon pick, and doesn't seem like the big hype reveal Sakurai would end the hype cycle. I mean saving someone like Simon or krool make more sense than Inceniroar or someone like Banjo
Either way we should get the big smash blowout in the next 3 weeks to kick off the final marketing blowout and prevent the possibility of leaks in the reviewing/shipping period. So all leaks will end soon enough
But at the same time, Sakurai also said that he may have gone a bit too crazy in the August Direct with the reveals & would slow things down going forward. Considering that we're close to the end, having 5 newcomers & 2 echoes in one Direct would be overkill to the point where that statement would be considered an outright lie. That plus the statement that we shouldn't expect too many new characters, whereas this rumor wouldn't be far off from Smash Wii U/3DS's base roster set of newbies.
 

DanteLinkX

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Oct 27, 2017
3,730
None of this is any proof.

The leak was framed as just a dumb Snapchat gone wrong. How the app works is that you can send a small video to a friends as a video message that will get deleted by the app itself. The story is he was banking on that to delete the evidence and have a laugh with a friend. Then his friend leaked the photo (whether or not this was a part of a larger prank or not) on 4Chan and censored the name so poorly that people were able to find this guy and where he worked.

That's why people find the story legitimate. It's not the picture that's the focal point but the framing all around the picture itself is the story why people think it's real.
Oh didnt know the whole backstory regarding this leak, it does hold up now. Thanks for the info.
 

Deleted member 8791

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I've missed no evidence pointing towards it being real.

It basically is this
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This is when your opinion to me on this suddenly became of little worth personally. If that's your conclusion then I can only assume you're not up to date.

no time to waste arguing with people of bad faith anyway
this thread went super well until people came in and decided to pretend that everyone is crazy for not seeing how it's fake, without every saying why it is

Agreed, let's get the thread on rails again after this silly derail.
 
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ResetGreyWolf

ResetGreyWolf

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Oct 27, 2017
6,428
I thought the Pokémon community went batshit crazy with fakes/rumours.

I've been mobbed for saying burden of proof is on it being real rather than on it being fake.

Come on guys, you're better than this.

Alright Serebii, enough with the condencending, pretentious tone. People aren't saying that.

The "burden of proof" is on both sides, but that burden is dead anyway as not one single insider will say why they believe it's fake. If you want evidence for why it might be real, you can read the OP like everyone else instead of just drive-by shitposting in here, man.

Ultimately no one in here knows if it's real or fake. People are just doing their best to form their opinion based on what we know. No reason to shit on that
 

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I thought the Pokémon community went batshit crazy with fakes/rumours.

I've been mobbed for saying burden of proof is on it being real rather than on it being fake.

Come on guys, you're better than this.
why join in a conversation when you have nothing to offer? nobody is saying there's proof either way. don't say dumb stuff and then get surprised when people call you out on it.
 

Puruzi

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Oct 25, 2017
891
Brooklyn, NY
People think it's real because there is a shitload of evidence pointing towards it being real. People say it's fake because blurry image and some wishy washy insiders
 

Xaszatm

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,903
I thought the Pokémon community went batshit crazy with fakes/rumours.

I've been mobbed for saying burden of proof is on it being real rather than on it being fake.

Come on guys, you're better than this.

I mean, it's clear that some people in here are so not caring about people's livelihoods that they're demanding they leak the damn game themselves to "disprove a leak" so I'm not sure where you got that idea that Smash is any better.
 

Jawmuncher

Crisis Dino
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
38,511
Ibis Island
This rumor is literally two sides of the same coin right now.

"The evidence to support this is as real is crazy"

"The evidence to support this as fake is crazy"

Like you can easily see why we're at the spot we're at. Especially when there's a piece missing that could debunk that isn't just "I've seen things"
 

Blackquill

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Oct 25, 2017
783
Come on guys, don't be mean to each other over some semantics on a video game rumor
 

Rotobit

Editor at Nintendo Wire
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Oct 27, 2017
10,196
I mean I want to believe because this leak seems way more Sakurai than being boring and ending on Ken and Inceniroar or at the least I hope both leaks are fake!
Because Inceniroar is just kinda boring to me as both a general or Pokémon pick, and doesn't seem like the big hype reveal Sakurai would end the hype cycle. I mean saving someone like Simon or krool make more sense than Inceniroar or someone like Banjo
Either way we should get the big smash blowout in the next 3 weeks to kick off the final marketing blowout and prevent the possibility of leaks in the reviewing/shipping period. So all leaks will end soon enough

Yeah, if this is fake then I sure hope everyone else is still wrong and the whole final Direct is a bonkers surprise no one saw coming

There's a reason so many people want to believe in this "leak", on top of the evidence. It's just a lot more appealing and interesting than "oh Ken and Incineroar are in, maaaybe a Square Enix rep and Minecraft Friggin' Steve too".
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait, doesn't Era has a system for something like that? If someone really has any proof this is fake, but they don't want to share, couldn't they just PM the mods? Mods could verify their info and we would calm down. (I think)
.

Actually, this is a great idea. The insiders can all PM the mods and keep their anonymity.
 
Feb 24, 2018
5,239
Going to stop trying to catch up with this thread, with how it's going I don't want to be a part of it and worried commenting here can get me in trouble now.
 

Serebii

Serebii.net Webmaster
Verified
Oct 24, 2017
13,127
This is when your opinion to me on this suddenly became of little worth personally. If that's your conclusion then I can only assume you're not up to date.
I'm very up to date :)

I've seen fakes and leaks treated like this so often. I know how it goes.

People see something. They hype themselves up. They come to all sorts of conclusions proving it's real or proving it's fake. Turns out they're wrong and it's fake or they're wrong and it's real. They then bitch about what we actually get because the hyped themselves up in their heads that this is going to be the way it's going to go.

This is 20 years of experience in this industry talking to you right here. I've seen it all before.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
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People think it's real because there is a shitload of evidence pointing towards it being real. People say it's fake because blurry image and some wishy washy insiders

Yup. This is exactly what it boils down to. Except blurry image is because of the way it was leaked. Snap chat screen shot zoomed in.
 

wiill64

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,592
People need to relax and have fun when it comes to leaks. Stop taking everything so seriously.
If it's real, cool, we found out about a bunch of characters ahead of time.
If it's fake, oh well it doesn't matter because it was never real in the first place.

No need to jump on each other, demanding for evidence for why they think it's real/fake. Just enjoy the ride and take everything with a grain of salt.
 

Jawmuncher

Crisis Dino
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
38,511
Ibis Island
But at the same time, Sakurai also said that he may have gone a bit too crazy in the August Direct with the reveals & would slow things down going forward. Considering that we're close to the end, having 5 newcomers & 2 echoes in one Direct would be overkill to the point where that statement would be considered an outright lie. That plus the statement that we shouldn't expect too many new characters, whereas this rumor wouldn't be far off from Smash Wii U/3DS's base roster set of newbies.

Why would we take anything he says literal though. He could just go "I couldn't help myself" which sweeps everything he said under the bridge.
 

Mark1

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,006
I'm still leaning more towards #teamreal

But curious to see how the poll would turn out now if people were able to change their vote.

The fact it still hasn't been proven wrong yet is my main reason.
 

The Adder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,122
Independent of this leak:

Sakurai or his marketing team know what the fuck they're doiing. They are not going to go silent for a month only to cap the roster off with an echo and a Pokemon.
 

Xaszatm

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,903
no time to waste arguing with people of bad faith anyway
this thread went super well until people came in and decided to pretend that everyone is crazy for not seeing how it's fake, without every saying why it is

I mean we have people calling workplaces and got a company to deny a person's involvement with a site because of how afraid this rumor would damage the company's reputation, I'd say this entire thing has been proof positive of how uncaring gaming communities are for something as dumb as a possible leak.
 

ned_ballad

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
48,249
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I'm honestly concerned that the backlash (if this proves to be false) could impact sales. As you said, we're past the point of no return now. The idea that Smash Ultimate's perception could be considerably damaged by a potentially-fake rumor is honestly kinda sad.
In a month, when the game releases, if this is fake, we'll either forget this whole thing happened or look back and laugh at how it was obviously fake.

It's not really going to matter
 

Phendrift

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,303
I've missed no evidence pointing towards it being real.

It basically is this
tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg
As was the ESRB leak.

You're asking us to prove it being real, how can we when we don't have the game? No one has ever been able to 100% prove a leak real.

We can only prove it fake - which we have tons of times in the smash thread to dozens of leaks over the course of Ultimate's hype cycle.

This is the only one that's lasted this long besides the Ken leak. No one has provided any evidence that completely damns it in the whole day and a half it's been out - that's way abnormal for a Smash leak.

I mean, all the evidence lines up to a very convincing real leak - that's the most we can do. We aren't Sakurai.
 

NotLiquid

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
34,775
Actually, this is a great idea. The insiders can all PM the mods and keep their anonymity.
Like I said, several staffers, including Zhuge, have been in here to vouch for some of the people who have spoken out against this. Zhuge even voted #TeamFake on the poll.

There's nothing else they can do. People don't care. They just want someone to slip and post a real leak.
 

Weiss

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I'm very up to date :)

I've seen fakes and leaks treated like this so often. I know how it goes.

People see something. They hype themselves up. They come to all sorts of conclusions proving it's real or proving it's fake. Turns out they're wrong and it's fake or they're wrong and it's real. They then bitch about what we actually get because the hyped themselves up in their heads that this is going to be the way it's going to go.

This is 20 years of experience in this industry talking to you right here. I've seen it all before.

Maybe I'm missing some crucial experience because the idea of getting disappointed by a rumour that turned out fake is silly to me, especially in a game already bursting at the seams with content.
 
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