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RUMOR: Massive Smash Ultimate leak is allegedly an emotional roller coaster [UPDATES IN OP]
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Is there any reason why it can't be an unused early version of the mural? Cause this is making the assumption this is the mural used for the banner with the charactersAlright, let's do a comprehensive post about this. Let's call it "why might this background have been faked?"
If you want to read a more comprehensive take on all the background differences that can't be chalked up to simple "detail lost in the blur", refer to this post. But for the sake of keeping things simple, the most suspicious portion is the leftmost square where the direct feed background shows that there is supposed to be a big island there. This one's the easiest sticking point because in every mural art we've seen, that portion of the background is always covered by Bowser. By glancing on the full mural you'd notice that the waterfall has a sort of curvature. The "leaked" background completely removes the island however, and with the way the waterfall is structured, it's pretty clear that this was painted over. The easy conclusion to come from this is that it was painted by someone who had no idea how the background actually looked like when it was covered. Up until yesterday people dismissed the background itself as evidence until it turns out the background actually was available at E3. This is when most holes started popping up and for now that stands in favor of #TeamFake, as it hasn't been debunked yet.
This point was contingent on the notion that the background hadn't changed since E3 however, and an argument that was proposed in favor of #TeamReal by Rotobit was that visible structure near Zelda is seemingly not visible in the full E3 banner that was provided by people. This brought up the idea that the background might have changed. However, that's a tenuous supposition because
1) the topmost image that Rotobit used was from a later Nintendo Direct, and yet that same structure can still be seen in the E3 Direct. It's safe to say most materials pertaining to Smash and E3 were ostensibly the same.
2) the castle never actually went anywhere, it just looked less visible because of the image's quality and general overexposure.
A closer look at a clearer image that was taken from the Treehouse shows that those pillars are still intact in the distance; they're just less visible on account of the brightness and circumstances of a shot (video recording of a monitor).
So right now, the only leg people who believe this leak have to stand on in regards to the actual content is the question of whether the background itself changed. So far, no evidence points to that, and it doesn't make a lot of sense given how most of it is already obscured to begin with, which means changing it "so it doesn't clash" is a bit of a nonsensical argument.
Would only be proof if it was "he work here but we don't work with smash" or "he does not work here and we work on smash"
"he does not work here and we don't work on smash" only means he has a chance to be working with smash right now
Extremely unlikely because no Smash Ultimate materials ever went to print prior to E3. Sakurai was very particular that Smash's E3, which was the earliest point of it's marketing, had to be have it's only piece of advertising used through a large scale monitor. To suggest that it's an early version of the mural is to suggest that a french press company somehow got a hold of it years ago, and that's unrealistic given that the characters on there are from recent.
Maybe Nintendo/Namco sent them an early version on accident?
Oh man, I just realized that if this leak is real that means no Doomguy. Damn it! Now I want TeamFake to be right.
Alright, let's do a comprehensive post about this. Let's call it "why might this background have been faked?"
If you want to read a more comprehensive take on all the background differences that can't be chalked up to simple "detail lost in the blur", refer to this post. But for the sake of keeping things simple, the most suspicious portion is the leftmost square where the direct feed background shows that there is supposed to be a big island there. This one's the easiest sticking point because in every mural art we've seen, that portion of the background is always covered by Bowser. By glancing on the full mural you'd notice that the waterfall has a sort of curvature. The "leaked" background completely removes the island however, and with the way the waterfall is structured, it's pretty clear that this was painted over. The easy conclusion to come from this is that it was painted by someone who had no idea how the background actually looked like when it was covered. Up until yesterday people dismissed the background itself as evidence until it turns out the background actually was available at E3. This is when most holes started popping up and for now that stands in favor of #TeamFake, as it hasn't been debunked yet.
This point was contingent on the notion that the background hadn't changed since E3 however, and an argument that was proposed in favor of #TeamReal by Rotobit was that visible structure near Zelda is seemingly not visible in the full E3 banner that was provided by people. This brought up the idea that the background might have changed. However, that's a tenuous supposition because
1) the topmost image that Rotobit used was from a later Nintendo Direct, and yet that same structure can still be seen in the E3 Direct. It's safe to say most materials pertaining to Smash and E3 were ostensibly the same.
2) the castle never actually went anywhere, it just looked less visible because of the image's quality and general overexposure.
A closer look at a clearer image that was taken from the Treehouse shows that those pillars are still intact in the distance; they're just less visible on account of the brightness and circumstances of a shot (video recording of a monitor).
So right now, the only leg people who believe this leak have to stand on in regards to the actual content is the question of whether the background itself changed. So far, no evidence points to that, and it doesn't make a lot of sense given how most of it is already obscured to begin with, which means changing it "so it doesn't clash" is a bit of a nonsensical argument.
Thanks for the summary.
I don't think anyone doubt that Ken and Shadow are in the game, even before this leak.
But yeah, that's what most insiders are hinting to, some of this is true but there are stuff in the final game that they know about not listed here. I'd not be surprised if they all are partially right and Incineroar, Sora or whatever are moved to DLC now.
For real.... we are in the only possible that timeline in which people are desperately wondering whether or not Incineroar is in the game.
The background is becoming my major sticking point too. It does appear to have been changed (unless the image in the leak got a whole bunch of smudges on it, maybe the leaker was eating his lunch there and got food smudges everywhere) and unless Nintendo has changed the background before that's a big mark against the leak. And it doesn't appear that they have.
This leak is a hydra, every time something has come up to make it look fake, it gets stronger.
I ask because the mural in the Character Banner for the leak seems more consistent with the mural used for the actual banners.
One of the big discrepancies used against the leak initially is that the empty Battlefield mural doesn't have the castle near Zelda's hand but you can kind of see it in the Leak's Character Banner.
Talking about this mural... I'm no graphic designer or talented anything, but from a personal view, if you're doing printed media and want your mural characters to pop out more in print you would use a more muted, less detailed background so the characters pop. My opinion doesn't reflect this being more real or fake despite my allegiance to #TeamReal, but it is food for thought.
1. #TeamReal took a big blow but they recover from it and they're now even stronger.
2. Some AutoCad shit that probably confirms that the leak is true.
3. OP is a mysterious doppelganger of the Senior product marketing manager of Nintendo of America.
This just makes me think they used the exact same artwork for the leak, convincing me even more that all this was just amusingly fake. I mean, it's part of the Smash experience at this point.
The obscured bg has been redrawn instead of using the original source, I'm sure of it.
That definitely makes it look fake, it just depends whether a 3rd party display company tried remake it because they couldn't access the original art, or a faker did the same thing for the same reason, that's what makes this entertaining.
That definitely makes it look fake, it just depends whether a 3rd party display company tried remake it because they couldn't access the original art, or a faker did the same thing for the same reason, that's what makes this entertaining.
I still think it is probably fake but at this point the reveal is going to be just as hype as if I knew nothing at all, will be like the end of a mystery novel lol
I'm hearing that all the characters from DBZ are in smash ultimate
ALL OF THEM
So this is debunked
So is this the first tangible proof for this leak being fake? Because while I hope it's real I would rather have proper evidence now.
I mean, if you actually leaked this accidentally on a Snapchat video wouldn't you deny it vehemently too? Especially considering the legal ramifications?
It's entirely possible he was framed but I don't think he'd admit it if he did this.
This definitely could have been faked. People already posted artwork of shifting/removing characters and adding new ones that aren't blurry as shitOkay so I took the E3 empty battlefield picture posted by Mipmap like 20 pages back and did some quick blurring and adjustments to try and get it to look a bit more like the leaked photo, to see if the inconsistencies were a matter of blurriness or they were actually definitively different.
Here's the original:
Here's my blur edited one:
Here's the one from the leak (I couldn't find one of it by itself but it's obviously the middle of these three images):
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This doesn't say anything conclusive, at least to me, but I think it's an interesting comparison to look at. In mine you can still easily see the castle on the waterfall but not on the leaker's. You do lose plenty of other details though.
Food for thought.
'This would take a lot of effort to fake' means nothing.
So someone actually called him.
Fraud and impersonation is a serious crime. Original leaker could get some jail time because of fake Smash leaks.
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