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Axass

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Oct 25, 2017
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You say that but they have definitely upset some people with the language they used around other controversial issues that have popped up in the past. I dont want to drag those issues back up again by naming them outright but I'm not going to pretend like the allies have a history of tactfullness when it's been proven time and time again that they dont. I say this is someone who has sided with the allies decisions on most of the issues that have popped up in the past.
Everytime they consciously tackle a sensitive issue on the podcast. The Senran Kagura thing wasn't on it, and Damiani's crusade against Heroines wasn't a topic of discussion prepared beforehand.

They talked about crunch, uttering slurs on stream, sex/sexualization in games, killing nazis and nazis used as marketing, the SAGAFTRA strike, Kingdom Come's director and other stuff, and iirc it went pretty well all the time.
 

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Kyle please do not apologize about speaking about politics

The only people that are saying that are the ones on the wrong side
 

klastical

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Everytime they consciously tackle a sensitive issue on the podcast. The Senran Kagura thing wasn't on it, and Damiani's crusade against Heroines wasn't a topic of discussion prepared beforehand.

They talked about crunch, uttering slurs on stream, sex/sexualization in games, killing nazis and nazis used as marketing, the SAGAFTRA strike, Kingdom Come's director and other stuff, and iirc it went pretty well all the time.

That's fair, when they are properly prepaired they can handle sensitive issues well. Everybody puts there foot in there mouths from time to time when speaking off the cuff.
 

Hasney

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Oct 25, 2017
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Glad they discussed the CDPR issue. I think that Kyle knew in this instance that just talking about it would make a whole lot of transgendered people in the community feel welcomed and that EZA cares about them.

Although this current situation has been driven by political figures, I don't even feel like basic fucking decency and respect for other humans should be a political issue anymore than anything else. But here we are.
 

Hamchan

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad that they're listening to fans and tackling sensitive issues, and tackling them well.
 

Hasney

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And YouTube comments are already pretty bad. Sigh

It's really not bad right now. The majority are saying they're glad they're talked about it, both on Youtube and Patreon. There's a "please retire this segment" comment with 12 likes, bit it's fairly low down suggesting it's being thumbs downed.
 

noah rayne

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Apr 4, 2018
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I thought the segment on CDP's tweets was really well-reasoned and I'm VERY glad they brought it up, but... whew, they didn't even use the word 'trans' once that entire time. That's... a little weird, right?

It's totally fine, I liked the segment, but Kyle taking the time to explain trans issues without being too 'explicit' about it stuck out like a sore thumb, haha.
 

Prompto

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's really not bad right now. The majority are saying they're glad they're talked about it, both on Youtube and Patreon. There's a "please retire this segment" comment with 12 likes, bit it's fairly low down suggesting it's being thumbs downed.
Yeah it's gotten a lot better. Was worried a bit after the first initial comments
 

JayC3

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought the segment on CDP's tweets was really well-reasoned and I'm VERY glad they brought it up, but... whew, they didn't even use the word 'trans' once that entire time. That's... a little weird, right?

It's totally fine, I liked the segment, but Kyle taking the time to explain trans issues without being too 'explicit' about it stuck out like a sore thumb, haha.
It wasn't just you; I noticed that too. They danced a bit around the basic issue (in contrast, Ian was very explicit in his Tweet recently on the news that brought up this subject), and I think Kyle may have been a little too generous in assuming the best of CDP in each example, but it was good overall discussion and I'm really glad they brought it up.

This is two weeks in a row that they've brought up some sticky subjects, and I just want to say how much I appreciate them discussing these things, even if parts of it are sometimes done in an inartful way (no one is perfect on every issue all the time). At the very least, I always know that they mean well and I learn things from their perspectives, especially since they're immersed in the games industry. And it's a welcome change from the past few months when it seemed like they were avoiding controversial subjects altogether.

You know, I've been meaning to increase my pledge for a while; I think I'll do so right now.
 

grmltr

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Yup, I really loved the discussion on the CDP tweets. Kyle has a way of really drilling down on an issue, and on why they are addressing it.

I'm a little disappointed they didn't explicitly address trans viewpoints. Some side eye at Jones for going first for grammar...

On ~politics~ ….. CDP is making the "greatest" game on fucking CYBERPUNK … ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS...
 

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Yup, I really loved the discussion on the CDP tweets. Kyle has a way of really drilling down on an issue, and on why they are addressing it.

I'm a little disappointed they didn't explicitly address trans viewpoints. Some side eye at Jones for going first for grammar...

On ~politics~ ….. CDP is making the "greatest" game on fucking CYBERPUNK … ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS...

Yea I did kind of wish Ian brought that up, so much of the game is about modifying your body it seems and like if thats how society is than the idea of being trans should be more than the norm at that point.

Its a company trying to create a futuristic world with dated ideals
 

grmltr

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Yea I did kind of wish Ian brought that up, so much of the game is about modifying your body it seems and like if thats how society is than the idea of being trans should be more than the norm at that point.

Its a company trying to create a futuristic world with dated ideals

I guess we'll see.. what's interesting is the demo they showed, they had very gendered dialog throughout... If they were to go and make the game gender fluid they would have to go back and change all those "Jaina"s.
 

MrMette

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Although this current situation has been driven by political figures, I don't even feel like basic fucking decency and respect for other humans should be a political issue anymore than anything else. But here we are.
I think so of most "poilitical" things people are talking about online. I never feel like they have anything to do with politics (at least not how I understand the word politics in Dutch). Sure, some of them are used by politicians to push and agenda, but most of the time it's just a different viewpoint on human issues (I don't have a problem with people thinking differently than me in most of these as long as they don't act like assholes). This would be the same if there weren't any politicians around imo (but maybe it's just a different use of the word in English).

Even though I usually can see both points in an argument, some of the reactions to this specific topic are baffling to me (how the hell do you see this as a mental disorder?), but I still don't see it as a "political" issue. It's asshole politicians who use these type of issues to try to get votes and who try to divide the people on these issues which make them "political".

I thought the segment on CDP's tweets was really well-reasoned and I'm VERY glad they brought it up, but... whew, they didn't even use the word 'trans' once that entire time. That's... a little weird, right?

It's totally fine, I liked the segment, but Kyle taking the time to explain trans issues without being too 'explicit' about it stuck out like a sore thumb, haha.
I noticed it too, but it seemed to me that Kyle just wasn't sure how to tackle this/talk about it because it's such a sensitive topic for some people. I think he did well, but I also noticed they never used the word trans.
It's sometimes difficult to talk/discuss about things you aren't super involved in as it's easy to make mistakes.

I personally don't listen to them to touch on "political" topics, but I honestly feel like Kyle did a good job on the last 2 podcasts and I don't really mind them doing those either.
I am glad they talked about this one in particular because I was somewhat shocked when I read those articles, I couldn't believe how this medieval way of thinking is still a thing. It's not going to impact my life directly as I live on a different continent and I am not part of the LGBTQ community, but reading about this one really made me feel bad. The idea to proclaim that people who think/feel differently then you do have a mental disorder is absurd and to just try to take away so many people's rights is insane.

Btw, writing this made it even more clear to me that it can be difficult for "outsiders" to write about these sensitive topics because I wasn't sure if I would screw up (I don't want to hurt people, so I hope I didn't). It took a long time to write this down. I suspect it's the same for Kyle.
 
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noah rayne

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This is two weeks in a row that they've brought up some sticky subjects, and I just want to say how much I appreciate them discussing these things, even if parts of it are sometimes done in an inartful way (no one is perfect on every issue all the time). At the very least, I always know that they mean well and I learn things from their perspectives, especially since they're immersed in the games industry. And it's a welcome change from the past few months when it seemed like they were avoiding controversial subjects altogether.
You're completely right on all of this. I feel like they were previously hesistant mostly because they felt that they weren't properly equipped to talk about social issues (due to the precision and care necessary for those conversations), but recently they've been stepping up and not shying away from at least trying to grapple with hot-button issues. They've always meant well, but now they're really showing it in directly meaningful ways.

(And the YT comments will inevitably be shitty whether they get '''political''' or not. [shrug])
 

Dmax3901

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You're completely right on all of this. I feel like they were previously hesistant mostly because they felt that they weren't properly equipped to talk about social issues (due to the precision and care necessary for those conversations), but recently they've been stepping up and not shying away from at least trying to grapple with hot-button issues. They've always meant well, but now they're really showing it in directly meaningful ways.

(And the YT comments will inevitably be shitty whether they get '''political''' or not. [shrug])
I'm not yet up that part of the podcast, but I too think only good can come from them discussing stuff like this. For the parts of their audience that are not awful, but perhaps have just swallowed the "no politics in games!" mantra of their favourite youtuber, this sort of stuff will hopefully open their eyes to important social issues impacting the industry. There's always gonna be the alt-right/GG trolls in the comments who are too far gone, however. Sad as that may be.
 

Batatina

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I was coming here to comment on how happy it makes me to see the podcast crew finally discussing social issues and voicing their opinions to their audience. Even happier to see you all already discussing this and being as pleased as I am.

They do it in the context of video-games, which is how they should approach it, but still talk about subjects with an open-mind and in a respectful way that I think might resonate with people who are on the fence about these problems.

I'm happy to support a team that has inclusive and fair views of this world and is now willing to participate and by doing so, potentially have a positive impact.
 

Hazz3r

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Nov 3, 2017
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Really solid review from Ben. I think it's really easy to take one look at this game and go "No campaign? 6 out of 10." It was really nice to see him go through the modes and review the game for what it is, and gave it what I honestly thought was a generous score for the review text he presented.

Not as in depth into Zombies as I would have liked, but that's the problem with it having so many layers I guess. Did he ever even pack a punch a weapon? He never mentions it or shows any gameplay. Or get one of the wonder weapons like the Kraken or the Blundergat? Again, they're never mentioned. He doesn't even mention the underground section of IX. And again, no gameplay! Couldn't help but feel that he didn't get the fullest impression from Zombies as I would have liked. I'll probably never be satisfied though at that front.

 

Ben Moore

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Really solid review from Ben. I think it's really easy to take one look at this game and go "No campaign? 6 out of 10." It was really nice to see him go through the modes and review the game for what it is, and gave it what I honestly thought was a generous score for the review text he presented.

Not as in depth into Zombies as I would have liked, but that's the problem with it having so many layers I guess. Did he ever even pack a punch a weapon? He never mentions it or shows any gameplay. Or get one of the wonder weapons like the Kraken or the Blundergat? Again, they're never mentioned. He doesn't even mention the underground section of IX. And again, no gameplay! Couldn't help but feel that he didn't get the fullest impression from Zombies as I would have liked. I'll probably never be satisfied though at that front.



Yes, I did pack a punch. Yes, I did get a wonder weapon. The review was already quite long. I can't go into into all the minutia when we're covering all three parts the way that we are. It's an overview as well as my general impression, but you seem aware of that.
 

Urbannomad123

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Oct 27, 2017
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I thought the way that Kyle introduced and framed the discussion about the CDP tweets was really quite clever. His hosting skills are always top tier but he has done some pretty impressive work these last few weeks. Hoping for a wider discussion of how incidents like this have affected their enthusiasm for Cyberpunk (similarly the stories of crunch on Red Dead), maybe on Frametrap. I know that my own enthusiasm has been dampened down considerably.
 
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Hasney

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Oct 25, 2017
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Meaty 10 minute review too.

Didn't think Brandon would have given it the score he did. He can be very nitpicky when it comes to games he has hype for.
 

Hazz3r

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Nov 3, 2017
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Yes, I did pack a punch. Yes, I did get a wonder weapon. The review was already quite long. I can't go into into all the minutia when we're covering all three parts the way that we are. It's an overview as well as my general impression, but you seem aware of that.

Never going to be satisfied when it comes to Zombies!
 

TheDarkKnight

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man I feel most of Huber's stream tonight will be mostly him counting down to the release of RDR2. Haha
 
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Holundrian

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Oct 25, 2017
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Guess picking up rdr 2 tomorrow to be honest I'm not necessarily feeling it but I think I'm kinda happy for not being all that hyped this time. I'm the type of person that is not immune to having expectations warped by too many impressions and in the past that did create false expectations which do kinda affects things(although not like massively). What makes me interested though is seeing people explain how the systems seem to create a very compelling kind of open world we haven't maybe seen so far.
I'm ready for the game just to speak for itself I guess.
 

False Witness

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Oct 25, 2017
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RDR2 is going to be insane. Excellent review. Unfortunately, I think I'm going to need to wait a little bit before playing it. I mean, I'm like 70 hours in to AC: Odyssey and I still need to finish that. I never expected that game to be as long as it is. I'm loving every minute of it though.

Dreams beta has to be coming soon too. Fuck me. I don't have enough time!
 

Hazz3r

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Understandable! You seem super passionate about it and it's pretty rad. While far, far, far from an expert I've enjoyed my time with it in BO4 a lot.

D'awwwww, you're making me blush.

I don't want you to think of me as being mean or overly critical! I'm well aware that I have unreasonable expectations when it comes to the mode and the way I would like outlets to discuss it. I don't think I best put that across in my first post. Sorry!

Honestly, I think Zombies is a very difficult thing to review and you did an outstanding job all things considered. There's so many layers, many of which the vast majority of people will never see. It's hard to compliment story-telling when it's linked into a challenge that is purposefully not explained and requires you to be very, very, good at the mode. It's a tough line to draw and one that I've been really interested to see as I've read reviews from various outlets.

When it comes to big games like this you have to frame it or you're never going to put out anything digestible, and I find that the way everyone seems to take a different approach just plain fascinating.
 

Tregard

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Oct 27, 2017
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I thought the way that Kyle introduced and framed the discussion about the CDP project was really quite clever. His hosting skills are always top tier but he has done some pretty impressive work these last few weeks. Hoping for a wider discussion of how incidents like this have affected their enthusiasm for Cyberpunk (similarly the stories of crunch on Red Dead), maybe on Frametrap. I know that my own enthusiasm has been dampened down considerably.

Really well done, I thoroughly enjoyed "Mmmshouldn'ta done that"
 

TradedHats

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Mar 8, 2018
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NakeyJakey in the comments for the RDR2 review makes me happy. Two of my favorite YouTube channels coming together.
 

Karu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did Huber jump his own shark with his Day One-patch hype comment? I vote yes lol.
 

Glory

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Oh, man. Haha.

This episode was nothing if not "The Assassination of Therese Brightwood by the Coward Dungeon Master". Ian's saltiness was well-deserved. The call about seeing through water from 100 feet away at night would have made me salty as hell too. Dark vision won't help you see through solid matter. Ocean water isn't as clear as drinking water.

The confusion about whether the floating skull was on land or water dragged the episode down. Oh, well. Can't win them all.
 

NimbusCub

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Oct 28, 2017
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Hey guys, I figured given the nature of the EZA community this would be a safe place to ask this question. What're the potential ramifications at play regarding this legislation being introduced to further define the Title IX definition of sex, and how is it a threat to Transgender people?

Is it because Title IX is tied to social services, which means people would have to identify differently than they feel? Is it a concern about what potential changes to civil rights protections will occur in the future?

Just simply trying to understand the situation a bit better. Obviously any sort of political conversation regarding something as personal as sex/gender can be potentially very discouraging. If you know of a good article explaining the situation that'd be great too!
 

TheAbsolution

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey guys, I figured given the nature of the EZA community this would be a safe place to ask this question. What're the potential ramifications at play regarding this legislation being introduced to further define the Title IX definition of sex, and how is it a threat to Transgender people?

Is it because Title IX is tied to social services, which means people would have to identify differently than they feel? Is it a concern about what potential changes to civil rights protections will occur in the future?

Just simply trying to understand the situation a bit better. Obviously any sort of political conversation regarding something as personal as sex/gender can be potentially very discouraging. If you know of a good article explaining the situation that'd be great too!
Hey, as a response to this, there's an entire thread in Ect that discusses this development and its implications. I think that'd be the best place to find out more about it and ask questions.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ny...-defining-transgender-out-of-existence.76126/
 

NimbusCub

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Hey, as a response to this, there's an entire thread in Ect that discusses this development and its implications. I think that'd be the best place to find out more about it and ask questions.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ny...-defining-transgender-out-of-existence.76126/

Thanks. It's hard to interpret the particulars of this when the NYTimes article itself seems to use gender and sex interchangeably, obfuscating the issue since we're arguing particulars.

Love ya'll! Thanks for taking no quarrel!
 

stan_marsh

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Oct 25, 2017
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First year I'm skipping Battlefield and that review helped convinced me to get Blops 4.

I think I'm looking forward to zombies more.
My last COD was MW2.
 
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