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Which team are you in, hooman? (NOTE: Vote-changing disabled!)

  • #TeamReal

    Votes: 2,046 67.7%
  • #TeamFake

    Votes: 978 32.3%

  • Total voters
    3,024
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passepied joe

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Oct 25, 2017
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who is this ray (01) that was cut?
iu

From Custom Robo on the Gamecube
 

Strittles

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm on team fake because of no Incineroar. It's not just conjecture. This leak has a ton going for it? Well, so does Vergeben who has gotten nothing wrong as of yet in regards to Smash. I'm going to believe a proven, credible leaker over a blurry image that's probably the work of a very lonely neckbeard with too much time on his hands who wanted to create an elaborate leak for the sake of the lulz. Not to mention that, yes, this looks like a wishlist. If something seems too good to be true, it probably is. Be smart, everyone. The most credible combo we have at this point is Vergeben (gotten nothing wrong about Smash) and box theory (official material released by Nintendo).

Book it: the final two base roster characters are Ken and Incineroar, with a Square Enix two as the first DLC (possibly free to those who have purchased online, Mewtwo style).

Honestly the lack of a Pokemon newcomer makes it more believable for me. You put that amount of effort into a elaborate hoax and you don't throw in the one character that fucking everyone expected.

Nah instead you decide to create fake artwork of Mach Rider. MACH RIDER
 

Ryce

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Oct 25, 2017
9,281
I mean, Mach Rider is special in the sense that his game is based on a toy that Nintendo manufactured before they made video games.
That's just a coincidence, to be honest. The Mach Rider toy is a car, not a motorcycle, and it's just a repaint of a Hasbro toy that Nintendo licensed for Japan. It doesn't have anything to do with the game.
 

Metto

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Oct 27, 2017
12,108
Wasn;t it this? People were linking this Twitter account for finding out they're doing stuff for Ultimate

 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,914
I'm really interested to see how Sakurai incorporates the Dr. Seussiverse into Smash. Will the Cat in the Hat appear as an assist trophy? Will Thing 1 and Thing 2 be revealed as dlc Ice Climbers echoes? Will the wireframe dudes from Multiman Smash be replaced with the star bellied sneetches? Will Green Eggs and Ham be added to the food? Will the game's credits just have the staff roll over the entirety of Oh the Places You'll Go narrated by the announcer? Will anyone cry while listening to it, thinking back to graduating from 5th grade and 8th grade and having your teacher read that book to the class?

There are so many possibilities
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
12,259
That's just a coincidence, to be honest. The Mach Rider toy is a car, not a motorcycle, and it's just a repaint of a Hasbro toy that Nintendo licensed for Japan. It doesn't have anything to do with the game.

I'm fairly certain they took the name from that toy for the game though. If it was a more generic name, I would buy it being completely coincidental, but "Mach Rider" is pretty specific.
 

Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
30,889
I'm firmly on Team Fake.

I don't doubt that the person who took the pics is in the business of making promotional assets for Nintendo. However, that doesn't preclude the person being a troll.

There is no way in hell 5 non-echo characters are being revealed only (approx.) one month before release. It completely breaks the standard hype cycle for Smash characters. And if some of them were DLC, they wouldn't be in launch advertising.
Um the hype cycles already been broken and we've had a much smaller window
 

drclaw411

Member
Mar 22, 2018
517
This post encapsulated everything I disliked about the last 2 months of Smash speculation.

Vergeben + Box Theory + Incineroar as the be all end all

...because that's far and away the most likely scenario. Box theory is based on literal official material from Nintendo themselves. Vergeben trust is based on his perfect Smash track record.

This Grinch leak is based on a blurry image and lots of hope. Hell, even every insider out there who's ever been trusted is on twitter saying this new leak is a pile of bullshit.
 

Deleted member 23908

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Oct 28, 2017
773
I wish this never leaked, every one of those characters other than mach rider would have destroyed eras servers the second they would have been announced.
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
12,259
Out of everything, what makes me think this is real is that Mach Rider is the only solid explanation we've gotten for that Vifam model Sakurai bought (remember, he bought it specifically for the rifle). None of the characters up until this point could have utilized it, and none of the other previously rumored characters provide an adequate explanation either.

Plot twist: The Vifam gun was used for Ray Mk1, who in the end didn't make it after all. The knife twist is real.

This post encapsulated everything I disliked about the last 2 months of Smash speculation.

Vergeben + Box Theory + Incineroar as the be all end all

Yuuuuup. It's why I pretty much retreated from the main Smash speculation thread since then. This super militant "you're all fucking idiots if you believe anything but this" attitude.
 

Viale

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Oct 25, 2017
11,614
Never knew how desperately I wanted Ray01 in smash until I saw the rumor saying he was cut. Am sad.
 

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...because that's far and away the most likely scenario. Box theory is based on literal official material from Nintendo themselves. Vergeben trust is based on his perfect Smash track record.

This Grinch leak is based on a blurry image and lots of hope. Hell, even every insider out there who's ever been trusted is on twitter saying this new leak is a pile of bullshit.
nuh uh, they're saying it's missing incineroar
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
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Out of everything, what makes me think this is real is that Mach Rider is the only solid explanation we've gotten for that Vifam model Sakurai bought (remember, he bought it specifically for the rifle). None of the characters up until this point could have utilized it, and none of the other previously rumored characters provide an adequate explanation either.
It would make sense. Mach Rider would need a bigger design change than anyone, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case
 

Moose the Fattest Cat

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Dec 15, 2017
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I was mainly talking out my ass with the direction stuff, because the series hasn't had an identity ever since it went full 3D.

But Shadow was one of the few new characters that actually stuck for whatever reason... he is that Venom/Vegeta type anti-hero that I guess the series was missing till it wasn't. I think he is fine for the most part, like most Sonic related things they suck when characterization is added (they usually have no idea what they are doing).

I still stick by the budget thing. It had CGI cinematics, full voice over cutscenes, multiples story paths, its own soundtrack, and an ad campaign (the amazing memes are the best thing to come from it). They REALLY tried to push Shadow as the next big thing. No Sonic character besides Sonic has ever gotten that treatment. And honestly, Shadow's game is better than Sonic 2006. Both are garbage, but at the height of his popularity, no Sonic character besides Sonic comes close imo.

Another reason Shadow makes sense over Knuckles is because the first Sonic game on a Nintendo console was SA2: Battle, Shadow's debut game that stars him more than Sonic almost. The most important games in Knuckles overall history happened on the Genesis - S3 and S&K.
 

wholahay

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Dec 18, 2017
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...because that's far and away the most likely scenario. Box theory is based on literal official material from Nintendo themselves. Vergeben trust is based on his perfect Smash track record.

This Grinch leak is based on a blurry image and lots of hope. Hell, even every insider out there who's ever been trusted is on twitter saying this new leak is a pile of bullshit.

A blurry image and an incredible number of specific, verifiable details, though.

I don't doubt that there's other information out in the wild that some people ("insiders") are privvy to, but is it good information? And if so, what in the world have we been discussing all day? An elaborate hoax?
 

mikevdv

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Jan 10, 2018
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Long twitter thread from Sourcegaming member on why the 'leak' is most likely fake.



after reading this, I am now #Teamfake
 

Protoman200X

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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N. Vancouver, BC, Canada
To be honest, Mach Rider is kind of a random pick.

Most of the other retro characters we've gotten since Melee weren't just added for the sake of it. Pit got in because he was hella popular, R.O.B was included because of his importance to the NES' history, and Duck Hunt got in as a rep of the Light Gun Series. Mach Rider kind of feels like a random "throw a dart at a board" pick.

Wouldn't the Ice Climbers count as "throw a dart at a board" pick, as well? I mean, it's not like their game was a hot item when it came out on the NES.
 

Dark Cloud

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think everyone should give up on this leak. Too many insiders are against it. Just go back to box Theory talk -.-
 

1000% H

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Oct 25, 2017
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...because that's far and away the most likely scenario. Box theory is based on literal official material from Nintendo themselves. Vergeben trust is based on his perfect Smash track record.

This Grinch leak is based on a blurry image and lots of hope. Hell, even every insider out there who's ever been trusted is on twitter saying this new leak is a pile of bullshit.
A lot of them are actually just kicking dirt around and not taking a firm stance.
 
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