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JCG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,537
Ultimately, it is up to the administrators to decide. I believe that restrictions on hype threads and promotional topics might be warranted, but banning all CDPR game discussion here will most likely neither materially pressure the offending company (sales of upcoming games with massive marketing do not depend on the state of forum discussion) nor will it measurably help defend the civil rights of trans people in the U.S. who are being targeted by Trump and the bigots responsible for the underlying memo such as Roger Severino (quite a disgusting human being, that one, who believes both sexuality and sexual orientation are defined by "character", strongly opposed same sex marriage and has even defended fraudulent "therapy" to "cure" LGBTQ folks).

It is a purely symbolic move meant as a display of solidarity with the affected party, which is entirely fair, but one whose actual effectiveness as a tactic can be debated. Disagreeing about that does not mean one supports CDPR's shameful behavior.

Game journalists pressuring the company to answer in detail and question their issuing a non-apology, using legit twitter accounts to air public criticism of incompetent social media management, boycotting CDPR games, closing accounts or refusing to use GOG in the future, plus actually supporting and funding pro-trans entities or LGBTQ organizations and any additional comparable moves remain as other viable alternatives for expressing solidarity (not to mention voting, in the case of eligible U.S. voters).
 
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Maligna

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,816
Canada
I said I don't want to support a company that promotes transphobia and Gamergate on its social network accounts.

They replied with the copied tweet and the request to verify my account.

I wrote back:
"Hello, unfortunately your non-apology on Twitter only doubles down on your unacceptable stance - it implies human rights are the subject of an "ongoing debate" and dogwhistles Gamergaters with the "games are not political" line.
Also, an apology should definitely contain words like "sorry" or "we apologize".

Therefore, I must insist on having my account deleted and not supporting your company in the future.

The last 4 numbers of my credit card are XXXX.
Please delete my account."

Nice. Good on you, man.
 

Lyng

Editor at Popaco.dk
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,206
I just asked a random Twitter user for prove of the widespread claims of Hecht (yeah it's idiotic) being behind the threats. So obviously she couldn't provide any prove but instead asked me to talk to Cheong who apparently claims to, not only have talked with Hecht but even more silly that Hecht was bragging to Cheong about doxxing the pr dude... xD ffs gamer haters are the epitome of stupidity
 

Tranqueris

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,734
Told them to delete my account. Hopefully this will also have the added benefit of putting a stop to the emails I seem to be getting from them every other day.
 

thuGG

Self Requested Ban
Member
Nov 25, 2017
42
I don't know if this is a problem going on at GoG or CDPR, or just a few guys in their respective PR departments causing trouble? Hell it could be the same person for all I know.

I'm not going to jump to the "ban CDPR discussion" bandwagon or even boycott Cyberpunk because I'm not sure if all the talented developers working on the game share the same views. I doubt Mike Pondsmith shares the same views either, and part of me is excited to see his vision come to life with this game. So part of me just hopes it's 1 or 2 people causing trouble and trying to make their stance known with edgy tweets because they're culturally insensitive or something.
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Please, reason is not appreciated in this thread.
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
I don't know if this is a problem going on at GoG or CDPR, or just a few guys in their respective PR departments causing trouble? Hell it could be the same person for all I know.

I'm not going to jump to the "ban CDPR discussion" bandwagon or even boycott Cyberpunk because I'm not sure if all the talented developers working on the game share the same views. I doubt Mike Pondsmith shares the same views either, and part of me is excited to see his vision come to life with this game. So part of me just hopes it's 1 or 2 people causing trouble and trying to make their stance known with edgy tweets because they're culturally insensitive or something.


Well... they didn't invent The Witcher. They just turned it into a game. So I don't think you'd have to change it regardless.
It's provably a problem with CDPR because they keep letting it happen without doing shit about it.

So, yeah, we do know that.
 

thuGG

Self Requested Ban
Member
Nov 25, 2017
42
try harder, 25 post man with GG literally in their name

Thats my online nickname for like 17 years or so. And I was a member on NeoGAF before with that nickname, even before the whole GG thing.

Also, i write GG after nearly every match of HotS, do that make me a gamer gater?

So toxic.
 

Tranqueris

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,734
you can unsubscribe to those, its at the bottom of the email.

I know, usually I'm not bothered by those and I'm able to somewhat tolerate them since they're relevant to my interests, the same way with the IGN deals emails that I've actually used to find cheap products or bundles. Last thing I wanna see on my phone now is GOG emails though.
 

Dracil

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,437
This should be required watching for literally every social media person at every company



Also John Oliver should make a new hashtag for the new 280 character limit.
 

janoGX

Banned
Nov 29, 2017
2,453
Chile
User banned (5 Days): Ignoring modpost and dismissing concerns of transphobia
I get their intention with the tweet, but I don't share it at all.

That was stupid CDP. Very tone-deaf and stupid. Fix your social medias.
 

Master Smurf

Banned
Jul 21, 2018
40
User permanently banned: transphobia
Forcing these type of decisions over the throats of users that don't care for the problem is the sure fire way to get new enemies. It would be counter effective, and a sure fire way to make Era implode into a new unnecessary fight while giving all the Era haters ammo to prove them right.

Everyone want to protest? CD Projekt just released a new game, go fight the fight you all want right now, make your opinions heard.

Most of the defenders of "BAN ALL CDPR DISCUSSION" are acting irrational, and you and all of us should be better than this.

I agree with this.

I posed the question to try an gauge where the temperature is, as it seems parts of the community want CDPR to be banned or to automatically conform without taking into consideration that entities have all right to hold their own view no matter if its wrong or something you vehemently oppose.

Now if resetera wants to take a stand and go about banning all things CDPR then that too is the right of the collective, though I dont think it fits with what is set out on the FAQ page.

I do agree though that persons who just post 'dont care' or 'still buying' arent adding anything and only enraging others but some persons have been victims of just trying to articulate a nuanced post of why they maybe where they are and have been dumped on as well. A minority cant be all militant and then expect to be treated as if they are magnanimous in all things.

Definitely need better ideas of how to effectively get the attention of these companies to advance the discussion - if change (or at least education) is the desired goal.

As it stands from CDPR though, I cant fault anyone for taking a stand saying they want nothing to do with them over these several incidents because it seems clear, it isnt a priority and the fact that they may not have top notch PR only gives a clearer picture of how the company may view these topics.
 

Eumi

Member
Nov 3, 2017
3,518
Never had one other than this one. I'm a lurker if it's called that anymore.
So all of you are so hostile, or just in this thread? Calling other members 'cunts' are ok on this board?
You literally came into this thread to call people unreasonable with a crappy drive by post and now you're acting like others are the ones being hostile to you?

I hope you're trolling because if not... man that's a lack of self awareness I haven't seen in a while.
 

rumplestilts

Member
May 30, 2018
290
I do agree though that persons who just post 'dont care' or 'still buying' arent adding anything and only enraging others but some persons have been victims of just trying to articulate a nuanced post of why they maybe where they are and have been dumped on as well. A minority cant be all militant and then expect to be treated as if they are magnanimous in all things.
Get the fuck out of here with this. Oppressed minority groups don't owe you jack shit.
 

Kalentan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,693
Considering this is the third time it has happened it's not hard to think that any apology is seriously worthless. Like either they have 1 horrible person running both accounts (GoG and the Cyberpunk acc) or there's more of them that think this is fine in their ranks which is disheartening.
 

Jecht

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,650
Never had one other than this one. I'm a lurker if it's called that anymore.
So all of you are so hostile, or just in this thread? Calling other members 'cunts' are ok on this board?

You came to troll in a thread about transphobia calling people here unreasonable.

Think about that for a second.
 

Karasseram

Member
Jan 15, 2018
1,358
I would applaud era staff if they banned gop and cdpr discussion. They have shown again and again what they stand for and should not be promoted on any site claiming to be progressive.

Their usage of that hashtag was not a mistake but an affirmation of their earlier tweets and frankly they can fuck off.

If you think your video games are more important than other people's right to exist you can do so too.
 

Eumi

Member
Nov 3, 2017
3,518
I agree with this.

I posed the question to try an gauge where the temperature is, as it seems parts of the community want CDPR to be banned or to automatically conform without taking into consideration that entities have all right to hold their own view no matter if its wrong or something you vehemently oppose.

Now if resetera wants to take a stand and go about banning all things CDPR then that too is the right of the collective, though I dont think it fits with what is set out on the FAQ page.

I do agree though that persons who just post 'dont care' or 'still buying' arent adding anything and only enraging others but some persons have been victims of just trying to articulate a nuanced post of why they maybe where they are and have been dumped on as well. A minority cant be all militant and then expect to be treated as if they are magnanimous in all things.

Definitely need better ideas of how to effectively get the attention of these companies to advance the discussion - if change (or at least education) is the desired goal.

As it stands from CDPR though, I cant fault anyone for taking a stand saying they want nothing to do with them over these several incidents because it seems clear, it isnt a priority and the fact that they may not have top notch PR only gives a clearer picture of how the company may view these topics.
Dude. What the fuck are you doing? Are you seriously sat here wagging your fingers at trans posters for being "militant"? Really?
 

Just_a_Mouse

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,030
You literally came into this thread to call people unreasonable with a crappy drive by post and now you're acting like others are the ones being hostile to you?

I hope you're trolling because if not... man that's a lack of self awareness I haven't seen in a while.

27 posts in the last year, suspect username. My money is on a burner account.
 

GeoGonzo

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,329
Madrid, Spain
I don't think the games should be banned from ResetEra. I certainly wouldn't participate on their threads since I'm utterly disgusted with CDP and I've already deleted my GoG account, but I don't think we should force these decisions on other people.

I get why some people want to go nuclear, but if we open this can of worms we can never go back. We'd need to police every game not just on its content, but on the ideology of its developers... and that's a very blurry line that moderators should not be burdened with.
 

Deleted member 41271

User requested account closure
Banned
Mar 21, 2018
2,258
Thats my online nickname for like 17 years or so. And I was a member on NeoGAF before with that nickname, even before the whole GG thing.

Also, i write GG after nearly every match of HotS, do that make me a gamer gater?

None of these makes you any such thing.
You weren't judged by your name, just by your action. The name just fits the pattern. You can show us that it doesn't fit by simply acting in a more reasonable manner.

Wait what? Having two genders in a game is now transphobic?

Nevermind. Sorry I gave this one the benefit of the doubt.
 

Grimminski

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,138
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Wait what? Having two genders in a game is now transphobic?


So I played transphobic games all my life?
Trash.

Well, now when i think about it, I'm just wasting my time. Is there a way to delete account here?
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Famassu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,186
I don't know if this is a problem going on at GoG or CDPR, or just a few guys in their respective PR departments causing trouble? Hell it could be the same person for all I know.

I'm not going to jump to the "ban CDPR discussion" bandwagon or even boycott Cyberpunk because I'm not sure if all the talented developers working on the game share the same views. I doubt Mike Pondsmith shares the same views either, and part of me is excited to see his vision come to life with this game. So part of me just hopes it's 1 or 2 people causing trouble and trying to make their stance known with edgy tweets because they're culturally insensitive or something.


Well... they didn't invent The Witcher. They just turned it into a game. So I don't think you'd have to change it regardless.
The silence is pretty deafening. No apologies or condemnation of transphobia or support to transgender people, no clear action taken. Just a shitty post about how certain people's right to exist is a "debate" and the usual GGer cowardice and stupidity about separating politics and games.

So no need for the hypothetical sob stories for the oppressed, suffering Cyberpunk devs.
 
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