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Neilg

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I thought it was pretty obvious that he was trying to say he doesn't fancy getting yelled at a lot, by both the left and right, for making the game and I think his point is pretty well proven because he's getting yelled at for saying he doesn't want to get yelled at for making the game.

This thread is the wildest microcosm of the current political climate i've seen to date. From what i've seen you get yelled at for not only having different political views to people on here - but also for saying 'i'd rather not make it a thing if thats ok' - If anything the latter invites far more hatred and shit talking on here.

The idea that not taking a hard political stance is in itself political is a very strange opinion which gets shared on here a lot. stories don't have to have an agenda, demanding that it does and the absence of one is in itself a third agenda is weird as hell.
 

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INTENSE ANGRY MILITANT LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES
 

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Well I'm not American so to me American politics is literally just two sides fighting each other, am I wrong about that or is it way more complex? I don't mean anything if that's why you got upset, again I'm sorry.
Look at the below quote.
Sorry I don't look kindly to people that are complicit in the cause for children internment camp, like to deny global warming, don't bat an eye on the fascist rhetoric coming out of the white house but dare to cry about free speech when they boo people taking the knee, list can honestly just go on.
It might not be illegal to be republican here or support them but if you are you're trash. Get used to be called on it. I don't care what the official stance on this is.
If that bothers "republicans" they can get their snowflake asses out of here.
Agreed fully. It's hilarious when they get extremely offended when they called fascists & other things, yet the first play they do all the time is "lol the left is a bunch of snowflakes"
 

jem

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jem pls.

One side is sensitive to certain "jokes" because they play into tropes that emerged from centuries of racism, sexism, misogyny, etc. Sometimes, they overreact and yell at people who don't really deserve it.

The other side is mailing bombs to people, parading through the streets brandishing assault weapons, and literally killed somebody last year.

His point is asinine.
Where did he say each side was equivalent?
 

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It goes to show how far we've come when even shock value series like GTA are too concerned of the repercussions of satirizing the current social climate.
 

Midnight Jon

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The game isn't going to be hard to make, it's the receptions
If the writing's on the level of GTA5 (and this isn't a compliment) the "negative reception" you're gonna see will be drowned out by tens of millions of people anyway

It's a copout so 1) they ain't gotta read what little honest critique there's gonna be and 2) nobody's surprised when 6 takes until the mid-2020s
 

El Bombastico

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Oct 25, 2017
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And someone who is a hippie methhead with no job and living on welfare usually votes left. Should i ask you what that says about the left? Are you really trying to lump 50% off this country into the white supremacist category?

You should listen to yourself man. Be more reasonable. Again im telling you this as a left of center person. We have MUCH more to agree on.

You'll be right at home back at the old site. Have fun.
 

Mikebison

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'Yikes'

Am I doing this right, era?
 

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This is what happens when both side think the world is just Blue and Red, while most of us are just sitting here like...''Guys calm the fuck down, you ain't changing shit, not even your country, not even your state, not even your fucking neighborhood, stop thinking you're changing the world.''
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TheExecutive

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I dont disagree with him about the both sides comment. Both sides are angry it doesnt mean both sides are justified but I disagree with him about the possibilities. Its a god damn gold mine right now.
 

Raptomex

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This thread is the wildest microcosm of the current political climate i've seen to date. From what i've seen you get yelled at for not only having different political views to people on here - but also for saying 'i'd rather not make it a thing if thats ok' - If anything the latter invites far more hatred and shit talking on here.

The idea that not taking a hard political stance is in itself political is a very strange opinion which gets shared on here a lot. stories don't have to have an agenda, demanding that it does and the absence of one is in itself a third agenda is weird as hell.
Well said.
 

El Bombastico

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Well I'm not American so to me American politics is literally just two sides fighting each other, am I wrong about that or is it way more complex? I don't mean anything if that's why you got upset, again I'm sorry.

We already had the "Non American just asking questions!" troll here.

Try again.

You think you're making a point, but you're backing up what Houser said.

Says the guy who thinks the OT is "Liberal Media"
 

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yes Dan, because your sharp, biting satire from previous GTA games has left such a long lasting impact, while aging tremendously well.

People play things like GTA to have fun and be shocked by ludicrous/over the top writing. It's been the case since the top down GTA games and all the outrage about violence, running over religious people, famous and well-known figures having the piss taken out of them, jokes about politically incorrect things and so on. As GTA comes out of the UK taking the piss and being able to differentiate satire from literal has been a skill most of us learned as early teens when we were telling our overbearing parents to stop linking what is clearly not literal to heinous world events. Cue UK comedy, standup and sitcoms always arguably being better than American. Fight me over that!!

Some people end up turning into their parents though. Just because you hit your 20s or even 30s doesn't mean you need to slide to being Conservative. You can not like something without being a total control freak over it and go around implying the world is ending because South Park made some jokes at Hillary Clinton, or being "concerned" The Last of Us 2 is a horror game which will represent women as characters and NPCs and not treat them differently to the men. Some of the moral pearl-clutching around TLoU 2 blew my mind. Straight up Conservative rhetoric.

That's the thing some can't let go of, being content with their own preferences, without running to social media to shout at everyone else and play the morality police.

GTA used to primarily attract Conservative or Catholic/religious outrage, just like South Park, as the left-leaning folks, punks and even progressives knew it was just background noise (a video game or a cartoon... yeah, real pressing concerns) or not literal, not something worth faking losing your marbles over. No one has turned into a terrorist because of GTA or SP. God hasn't smited anyone yet either. Nowadays you'd probably expect the balance to be far less that way, although the Catholic voices did get their jimmies rustled by that SP paedophilia episode. As they often do.

Here we will probably reach another 25+ page topic with people talking about terrorist attacks, Nazis and so on, when the comment at worst is clearly just a provocative jibe at voices likely to say "GTA6 is soo offensive". Which some of could well be the Conservative voices, probably unhappy with Trump no doubt having the piss taken out of him in GTA. But I did say to Rockstar earlier, as much as the social media machine of outrage can be a different beast to the news stations or churches of the 90s, GTA has never backed down before, so why now?
 
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Houser isn't talking about kids in cages so why are you bringing this up? He's saying both sides are angry, not both sides are equally bad. He's also commenting on how difficult it is to do good political satire these days - mainly because American politics are extremely partisan at the moment and the dotard in chief humiliates himself more so than Rockstar could. So they might as well wait to make a new GTA.

Nothing has stopped them before. He just doesn't want to make a deciding comment on the matter for one reason or another. The games have always been controversial. Hell you had a mission in GTAV where you tortured someone. But political satire is all of a sudden hard for them? I'm not buying that shit excuse.
 

Wamb0wneD

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That's not what your post said though.
I don't give a fuck about whether he said "both sides" because he has trouble satirizing things or he said "both sides" because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
If someone talks about the extremist left and right both being militant and angry it ignores why they are that way and how they act on that angriness. The quintessence of the "both sides" argument is to ignore what those sides actually think and do.
 

nekkid

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Kinda see his predicament. You have a scene with a transgender character and you have one group of people scrutinising every little detail asking "what's their agenda?" en masse, for example.

Too many people too willing to look too hard at something inconsequential to find things to get upset about.
 

SweetNicole

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In my mind, i say the same thing but with very different words that would get me banned. A lot of people have a stick up their ass it seems in the last few years. Or maybe there has always been a lot people with sticks up their asses but i just didn't know before because i wasn't reading shit online so much. I'm not even on any social media.

Oh how i hope i can raise my kids to think for themselves.

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Gamers are truly an oppressed people.

Not illegal but if you are anything but 200% left on here, you're considered pure evil. That's my take.

Based on this thread, you can't even discuss both sides or say they're angry (which is a fact) without making it clear that the right is evil. If you don't make that clear, no matter what the context of the conversation is (in this case, the topic "Red Dead Redemption 2: The inside story of the most lifelike video game ever"), you're immediately accused of being "both sides" or evil. It's insane.

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Novel

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He is right. You guys are always too angry about something.
I guess that means that GTA 6 won't release until after his second term.

You say that like it's a guarantee he gets one.
Also, it's the right-wing that has actually fucking killed people, support policy that harms the lives of minorities, and sent fucking bombs to high profile Dem. targets/people and news networks the right-wing constantly speaks ill of.
Both siding this is horribly inaccurate.
 

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Well I'm not American so to me American politics is literally just two sides fighting each other, am I wrong about that or is it way more complex? I don't mean anything if that's why you got upset, again I'm sorry.
No you're right, that's all there is to a country of 315 million people's federal governments. Just two equal sides that don't differ at all fighting each other that don't have any influence on their country, international relations, their states or their districts.
 

D.Dragoon

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and 4 to 8 years later it's gonna switch again, and 4 to 8 years later again, and again, makes no difference in the long run.
This makes a huge difference especially for marginalized people. Also the Judicial system is most likely not changing anytime soon those judges are in for life (supreme court and circuit courts) and they are trending conservative.
 

Inuhanyou

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Well I'm not American so to me American politics is literally just two sides fighting each other, am I wrong about that or is it way more complex? I don't mean anything if that's why you got upset, again I'm sorry.

The political viewpoint in America today is not defined by the two party system. Its too rigid a definition for a people of many different beliefs. And most people don't identify as either moreover
 

Taker34

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In my mind, i say the same thing but with very different words that would get me banned. A lot of people have a stick up their ass it seems in the last few years. Or maybe there has always been a lot people with sticks up their asses but i just didn't know before because i wasn't reading shit online so much. I'm not even on any social media.

Oh how i hope i can raise my kids to think for themselves.
Being willingly ignorant automatically puts you into a political spectrum. If you really have to try that hard to not get banned then I don't know what to say... not sure what you're referring to as people having sticks up their asses but maybe you're not as tolerant as you think are. I'm also not expecting a response from you; this time I'm actually giving you 100% of my honest opinion and advice.
 

King_Moc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, i can't disagree. Yeah, mail bombings are obviously way more extreme than what the left does, but he'd still get a volcano of shit from them if he did something deemed as any kind of microtransgression.
 

Soap

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Hey Dan, who do you think wanted San Andreas pulled due to hot coffee? Was it these evil liberal kids or the right wing Christians?

Hmm
 

Novel

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This is what happens when both side think the world is just Blue and Red, while most of us are just sitting here like...''Guys calm the fuck down, you ain't changing shit, not even your country, not even your state, not even your fucking neighborhood, stop thinking you're changing the world.''

As someone whose life is vastly negatively effected by Republican politics, the fuck is this post.
 
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I dont disagree with him about the both sides comment. Both sides are angry it doesnt mean both sides are justified but I disagree with him about the possibilities. Its a god damn gold mine right now.

One side has killed someone and is almost assuredly sending bombs to political leaders they don't agree with. His comments is disingenuous and short sighted
 

Dragoneye

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You know this doesn't even make sense, its not like they've never done political commentary before. SA has multiple things taking the piss about the government and then in 4 they made the statue of liberty Hillary.
 

Alucrid

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Well, i can't disagree. Yeah, mail bombings are obviously way more extreme than what the left does, but he'd still get a volcano of shit from them if he did something deemed as any kind of microtransgression.

"housers afraid of twitter hot takes and resetera posts"
 

cervanky

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That he's concerned with how upset GTA would make people and how its message might end up out-of-date betrays how ineffective and shallow a "satire" this series is.
 

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Well, i can't disagree. Yeah, mail bombings are obviously way more extreme than what the left does, but he'd still get a volcano of shit from them if he did something deemed as any kind of microtransgression.
He already treated women like shit in GTAV and many leftists like myself still enjoyed the game despite no strong female characters and a ton of trans jokes.
 
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