I mean it got Trump elected to the highest office of the most powerful country in the world, so
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CDP tweets trash tweet about trans people AGAIN this time from GOG (Read OP)
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I'm pretty sure they were talking about the government, which has repeatedly rolled back protections for trans people and is aiming for an extremely large scale one right now. And your last little line is a little bit condescending when you consider the stakes at hand. If someone is rude to you because you said something transphobic, it's not going to affect you. The people who have to deal with that transphobia are negatively affected because it permeates throughout so much of society, and this does lead to increased rates of depression and suicide. It's not really fair to sit here and say "Well, both sides are the problem here" when one side is just struggling to live our lives without dealing with hate.
The implications of "scientifically" proving that transgender doesn't exist is a threat because it cuts off people from getting proper services and from then on they might be treated like homosexuals were before the 70s. It's regressive and most definitely barbarity..
It's understandable that people react with outrage to that, even to panic. It's very much justified. It's not some rhetorics that people throw around casually and without good reason, transgender people had a tough fight for a while, a lot of it not visible to everyone.
Be aware that people's well-being and safety is on the line and don't absolve everyone that makes light of situations where jokes like that are nothing but destructive, at best a terrible PR-Stunt.
Are you saying that being mean to bigots got us Trump and that the bigots wouldn't have voted for Trump otherwise?
The support rep who responded to my account erasure request was very good. It did take about 18 hours to get a reply (I'm still technically waiting for the action, but it's confirmed now), but I think part of that was just time-zone differences. My whole initial request was, "I'd like to have my account and associated info on GoG deleted, as a result of behavior by your social media team (current and past events)."
It sounds like there's awareness on their end of what happened, but they specified that there's no further comment from GoG on the topic at this time (I was told this without prompt).
It sounds like there's awareness on their end of what happened, but they specified that there's no further comment from GoG on the topic at this time (I was told this without prompt).
They should start to choose more carefully who is writing their tweets... this thing is going out of hands... using an hastag about a real and important matter for advertise? jeez... :|
GOG is a great reality in gaming, I still will going on supporting them and CDPR too, a tweet can't be enough to kill an entire company.
GOG is a great reality in gaming, I still will going on supporting them and CDPR too, a tweet can't be enough to kill an entire company.
Why are you insinuating that the people who are literally just deciding to not purchase a video game are responsible if people lose their jobs?
This is the fault of the company's transphobic statements. It is their own fault. These totally not transphobic people that haven't done anything wrong that might exist within the company should blame the company for convincing people not to buy their product, not the people who are literally only choosing to not buy a product, something every single person is doing every single day. I don't buy loads of products. You don't buy loads of products. In fact, everybody doesn't buy most products!
This "boycotts are actually bad guys" attitude that's been repeated across this and many other threads is absolutely ridiculous. It not in the slightest way the customer's duty to keep a company afloat. If these genuinely nice people that might exist do lose their jobs, then they are just further victims of this companies horrific statements. They aren't the victims of people who just don't fucking feel like buying a video game anymore.
Also, you say "someone" tweeted this like we haven't had an official company response which, you know, didn't apologise or condemn the tweet at all. Stop attributing this to the actions of a single person.
Speaking personally here, I'd naturally prefer for this to end with as few people losing their jobs as possible obviously, with only the guilty party/parties being the ones to lose their job(s) over this.
However, that said, that in of itself is part of the point of a boycott:the starting assumption that most employees are in fact innocent. And if that's indeed the case, it should be easy for them to speak up and demand that same person(s) to be held responsible. No skin off their nose, right? Nothing to do with them and just makes it easier for them to get back to work and stop worrying about stuff like this. Just let the person who did this be fired, and make sure this doesn't happen again with whomever replaces them.
...That is, of course, unless they do stand in solidarity with this employee. Which would considerably change things, if they don't want this employee to go and think they did nothing wrong. That would paint a considerably different picture, yes?
And that's part of the point of stuff like boycotting/deplatforming/etc as well: to figure out which it is. If the other employees at CDP/GOG indeed don't stand for this, it should be relatively straightforward for them to join in and demand this employee is fired. Unless that is, this is systematic of larger issues (as stuff like the fact this has happened multiple times now with nothing changes and bot even a hint of ecudeny to make sure it might not just happen again in the future hints at).
Either way, the only way to find out with stuff like this is to try. What matters to them more? Defending their in jobs? Or defending and standing in solidarity with the piece of trash responsible for those tweets?
Their response dictates how I see CDP going forward. All I can do is act and react based in what they give to me, nothing more, nothing less. And so far, those signs are not positive.
Especially since on top of it all, the entire point of stuff like PR and social media manager positions and stuff is to be the public-facing voice and well face of the company. If that face and voice does not represent them, it's very important that they clarify and do something about that. If not, what else ARE people supposed to think, when you're keeping that face around and not doing anything about this?
What I'm trying to say in the end here is, TL;DR version, is that in the end CD Projekt and GOG hold all the cards here. If they want people to see them differently and make the situay right, they have all the power in the world to simply fire this person, apologize, and update their policies to make sure this doesn't happen again. If they fail to do that, and choose to do none of the above instead, what conclusion are people supposed to draw, with all of that being the case?
CD Projekt/GOG hold every last card here and are completely capabilities of controlling this and making it right. If they choose to do absolutely nothing instead, despite their being no reason to chose that course of inaction, no benefit to it, but choosing it anyway despite how little sense it makes, well, they lose any right to complain at that point. Because they've had every opportunity to do otherwise. And if they nonetheless can't help it and that's what they choose, that's definitely on them at that point and I don't want to hear any complaints, that's all I'm saying.
So it's okay to declare all of America evil and wanting to kill people?
I'm American I don't want to kill anyone.
This is a battle of propaganda. We need more influential people speaking up.
education and better information will change the future. Hate speech only enforces peoples mental defense reaction of what they don't understand.
Great post. Thanks for sharing. It means a lot and I am sure it helps people in the same boat to know that they are not alone with their feelings.
Ignoring the fact that this has happened on several occasions, it's not only about the Tweet itself, but also how this incident was handled. They seem to prefer to keep an actual Gamer Gate advocate on their team rather than ridding themselves of someone who is actively alienating a part of their customer base.
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I understood that there was one tweet by them and one by CDPR in the past.
I will read more carefully the articles on the OP then...
wth gog? :\
Oh I read their response, it's like they don't say directly "sorry" but take distance from the problem... would have been so easy to just say "sorry, we did an horrible thing".
So no further comments from GoG, and no comments of any kind from CDPR?
Disappointing. This has been covered by well known gaming outlets already. They know.
I had hoped for, at the very least, a tweet or something from CDPR saying that they stand with all marginalised groups against all forms of hatred etc...
Disappointing. This has been covered by well known gaming outlets already. They know.
I had hoped for, at the very least, a tweet or something from CDPR saying that they stand with all marginalised groups against all forms of hatred etc...
I think that response is what they're gonna go with, they've likely moved on
It would be preferable that employees keep getting paid but the chief executives suffered a pay cut and shareholders or partners suffered a cut in profits. Wouldn't that be acceptable for you if that was possible?
To spell it out pretty plainly, ongoing disrespect toward this minority seems to be more important than the overall public relations of the companies involved.
They've now had myriad opportunities to clean this up, even with something as simple as saying "it won't happen again, we've reprimanded the person who sent the Tweet(s) for not representing the values of our team, individual rights and respect for every person is important to us," which wouldn't have needed any special action. But it would have required them to stop actively making light of trans issues through their official PR. And the timing of mocking the response to a real threat of the loss of the civil rights protections in the US is beyond the pale.
This is not "the big bad mob choosing to kill jobs." These are people choosing not to buy from a distributor they think is hostile to people on a very basic civil rights issue. This company has given every sign that its priorities are exactly where they want them. Being actively bigoted toward a group of people shouldn't be inherent to their business model, but that's what they've chosen. Given the timeline of statements and responses, it will be a very hard thing for them to patch this up, because I don't believe for a second that this could possibly be just a handful of people acting alone.
They've now had myriad opportunities to clean this up, even with something as simple as saying "it won't happen again, we've reprimanded the person who sent the Tweet(s) for not representing the values of our team, individual rights and respect for every person is important to us," which wouldn't have needed any special action. But it would have required them to stop actively making light of trans issues through their official PR. And the timing of mocking the response to a real threat of the loss of the civil rights protections in the US is beyond the pale.
This is not "the big bad mob choosing to kill jobs." These are people choosing not to buy from a distributor they think is hostile to people on a very basic civil rights issue. This company has given every sign that its priorities are exactly where they want them. Being actively bigoted toward a group of people shouldn't be inherent to their business model, but that's what they've chosen. Given the timeline of statements and responses, it will be a very hard thing for them to patch this up, because I don't believe for a second that this could possibly be just a handful of people acting alone.
You would think such a statement would be a no brainer. Unless of course they don't want to stand with marginalised groups.
This is exactly the problem.. you rather exclude people with a meme and put them out of your group than talk. Even when they are against the same things you are.
If your response to transphobia is "listen i was GONNA think that transphobia is bad but then you were mildly sarcastic to me on the internet so now I'm not gonna" then pro tip you weren't shit to begin with
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Hate speech against anyone is not the way to go. Be inclusive not exclusive.
Disappointing. I mean, I would take kind words in a tweet. It's not much, but better than nothing at all.
Like I said already, CDPR are currently working with Mike Pondsmith to bring CyberPunk 2077 to reality. It's a big thing and they've made some big statements about not shying away from important subjects with the game. Here we are in the real world, people at social media accounts associated with them are messing things up and making them look bad, and apparently they're shying away from addressing the issue.
It kind of sucks.
I was talking about people who are posting hate comments in this thread not the thread topic directly.
Posting hate comments is not how you change the world.
I had to double check the conversation chain and in my judgement it's simply daft to use that play on words on the #notallcops tag.
While black police officers have gotten in trouble with their fellow officers it is when they are out of uniform. Americans are going to suffer at the hand of this administration and it is Americans who started the #wontbeerased tag because they are directly threatened by this admin.
That is the least they should have done, instead of this non apology.
But hey! at least they won't upset the "tr00 hardcore GG gamerz".
MONEEEEYYYYYYY
Intentional or not, you're making this topic about you and some misguided read on your own politics. Yes, you're upset that someone said that America is effectively going to be killing trans people when they strip their civil rights. Except that it's exactly what's happening. You're saying that by saying that, we're "just as bad" as actual bigots around this issue targeting other people. You're equating that statement criticizing the impending changes in US law as "hate speech." I'd recommend you stop and really think about what you're saying. It's not a sincere interest in this topic, I can tell you that with confidence.
It's a play on "not all men," which is a common refrain when people are talking about women's issues where a pattern of behavior targets women, and a man will interrupt the flow of discussion to interject "not all men do that!" as though it matters to the topic. It's the format of what BJones was doing (see above).
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Perhaps in the future.
...After their PR guy quadruples down on his transphobia.
"Well, that prostitute turned out to be a man or also had a penis and got killed because of it.
...well, I suppose a .45 was needed."
It wasn't these exact words but I have personally heard this sentiment with my own ears.
And this was a couple of years ago...with "friends".
Like, when you tally up the body count, straight men are willing to murder just because who they want don't have the preferred genitalia. Willing to be trigger happy in the name of their dick and balls. Slaying due to one's flesh.
Well, I suppose that last part is as old as time itself...but yeah, I can conclude there are enough who are sick to the head to commit evil in the name of the patriarch and plenty to "support" such actions.
Atleast read the chain of quotes to see what he was responding to.
This social commentary was started by Americans pushing back against an American government trying to isolate them and restrict their rights.
You shift the conversation to a place that's just not important. If something comes off as a bit hyperbolic that someone in a movement against actual oppression says isn't the issue. The scandal here is that a PR person from GOG made light of a the whole thing by using a hashtag that is used by a lot of people that have been targets of violence of all forms and are now targeted again by Trump and his ilk that plan for them to be robbed of who they are and have them treated as lesser.
In case that's too long of a read: PR person is a douche that made light of real issues as a gag, person that is outraged at that is justified doing so. How they feel is how they feel, it isn't a threat to anyone and you can move on knowing that someone saying that Americans are all garbage won't actually harm any
You know I was thinking, "I hope they are not dumb enough to let that guy keep posting his stupid shit", but then I realized they already posted such things three times already. You know its going to happen again, will be amazed if it doesn't.
I'll be even more amazed when people are still gonna argue that CDPR isn't complicit in any of this.
Guys we need to be nicer to the people wanting to commit the Erasure of an entire people.
Miss me with that both sidez bullshit.
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Yep, this.
That was elected by Americans. What's your point?
I don't know what you're talking about they're COMPLETELY separate companies that they share offices with, exclusively carry products of and were created by the same parent company. Totally separate.
Yup. Those posts have such misguidedly centrist esque priorities, they read like they could've been written by Boogie
I mean, there's a thread at the top of EtcetEra about bombs being sent to Clinton, Obama, and Soros but this right here is the real issue.
Miss me with this #NotAllAmericans shit.
When you identify and criticize a government trying to strip the civil rights of a specific group, you're committing hate speech, because not every person did that. You should stop criticizing bigotry, because you're actually the bigot! This president was elected because people criticized him, and for no other reason.
glad to know having my basic human rights taken away is "basically all my fault bc I won't coddle transphobic bigots"
or I could continue telling them to go fuck themselves and the horse they rode in on, gasp, the outcome is the same no matter what I do bc they hate me for simply existing and weren't going to listen to anything I said regardless, shocker
or I could continue telling them to go fuck themselves and the horse they rode in on, gasp, the outcome is the same no matter what I do bc they hate me for simply existing and weren't going to listen to anything I said regardless, shocker
What people of what country starts these movements? To vilify America as a whole is to villify the people who get hurt the most out of all this.
How about you stop making this shit about you? This thread is about GoG being transphobic, not about your fragility.
This inane 'hate speech' nonsense you're trying to peddle isn't fooling anyone either.
The bombs were sent by the people you're fucking stanning for right now.
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