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Faith Goldy comes in third during Toronto mayoral elections

shamanick

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Mesoian said:
It's funny how often people here think Canada doesn't have racist tendencies in the way that America does.

You do, and they get worse the more north you go just as ours get worse the more south you go.
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I grew up in far north BC (in a town with 50% First Nations) and currently live in SW Ontario. I'm weary of this stereotype. Problems exist everywhere, but especially in the larger cities. People from the city have a skewed understanding of what life is like in rural (northern) communities. Of course there is racism and bigotry, but it's just the same in the cities.
 
Mesoian

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shamanick said:
I grew up in far north BC (in a town with 50% First Nations) and currently live in SW Ontario. I'm weary of this stereotype. Problems exist everywhere, but especially in the larger cities. People from the city have a skewed understanding of what life is like in rural (northern) communities. Of course there is racism and bigotry, but it's just the same in the cities.
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Which is my point. People need to stop thinking, "oh it's Canada, things are better here". They're not. It's basically the same and this tacit denial helps no one.
 
Roy

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I think fake news is a huge problem. People get suckered in shockingly easy and I am certain it's what won Ford the election
 
kswiston

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OrdinaryPrime said:
Sorry was looking at the demographics on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_demographics

It looks like depending on how you view it, it could be anywhere from the number you quote 73% to 81%.

If the number is indeed 73%, that's pretty much in line with the United States. And really that was my point with that poster I quoted who said Canada is too diverse for it to take hold. The United States is as diverse and has a history of white nationalism.
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Ya, that table is set up in a way that is hard to read. 73% is the offical government figure from our last census.

One point that does work in our favor going forward is Canada's very high immigration rate. Like I said, Canada was very white not too long. In another 20 years, the percentage of white Canadians is expected to drop to 59%.

Some major cities, like Toronto and the surrounding suburb cities, are already minority majorities.
 
shamanick

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Mesoian said:
Which is my point. People need to stop thinking, "oh it's Canada, things are better here". They're not.
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So you're saying that racial issues don't get progressively worse the more north you go as things go from more urban to more rural?

Because I have some friends who have some REAL DAMNING STORIES about Newfoundland and Manitoba.
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I'm saying it doesn't get worse as you get more rural/north, as a rule.
 
Morrigan

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Only 3.5% of the vote, but that's still 20k votes which is rather disturbing.
 
SturokBGD

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The important take away here is that the far right are highly motivated. The rest of us just need to start acting the same way.
 
Heshinsi

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Mesoian said:
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So you're saying that racial issues don't get progressively worse the more north you go as things go from more urban to more rural?

Because I have some friends who have some REAL DAMNING STORIES about Newfoundland and Manitoba.
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Well yes the rural/urban thing happens here. But it's not a north/south thing. The majority of the population live only a few hundred KM from the US border. The further north you go, the less people there are (by a significant amount). There are bigots and racists in every province, but it's simpler to point to the urban/rural divide than trying to say north v south (because the demographics aren't arranged in a north to south manner like it is in America).. So for example, Newfoundland is to the east of Ontario, while Manitoba is to the west.
 
shamanick

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Heshinsi said:
Well yes the rural/urban thing happens here. But it's not a north/south thing. The majority of the population live only a few hundred KM from the US border. The further north you go, the less people there are (by a significant amount). There are bigots and racists in every province, but it's simpler to point to the urban/rural divide than trying to say north v south (because the demographics aren't arranged in a north to south manner like it is in America).. So for example, Newfoundland is to the east of Ontario, while Manitoba is to the west.
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Heshinsi

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shamanick said:
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What's that supposed to mean? You think the Canadian population gets more rural and therefore more racist as you go north? Eighty percent of the Canadian population live in cities first of all. So the majority of the racist and bigots are cities not the rural areas. Secondly, the country's population isn't arranged nor spread like the way it is in the United States. According to their government census, something like 62% of the population live in cities. They have a rather large rural population in ways we don't. Most of our bigots live in the cities with us.
 
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kswiston said:
Ya, that table is set up in a way that is hard to read. 73% is the offical government figure from our last census.

One point that does work in our favor going forward is Canada's very high immigration rate. Like I said, Canada was very white not too long. In another 20 years, the percentage of white Canadians is expected to drop to 59%.

Some major cities, like Toronto and the surrounding suburb cities, are already minority majorities.
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Yeah, regardless of some American's distaste for immigrants, this is going to happen there as well: https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2018/demo/P25_1144.pdf.

The non-Hispanic White population is projected to shrink over coming decades, from 199 million in 2020 to 179 million people in 2060— even as the U.S. population continues to grow. Their decline is driven by falling birth rates and rising number of deaths over time as the non-Hispanic White population ages. In comparison, the White population, regardless of Hispanic origin, is projected to grow from 253 million to 275 million over the same period. • The population of people who are Two or More Races is projected to be the fastestgrowing racial or ethnic group over the next several decades, followed by Asians and Hispanics. The causes of their growth are different, however. For Hispanics and people who are Two or More Races, high growth rates are largely the result of high rates of natural increase, given the relatively young age structure of these populations. For Asians, the driving force behind their growth is high net international migration.
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Perhaps not to the same extent as far as percentage goes since we're talking about 400 million vs. something like 45 or 50 million.
 
shamanick

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Heshinsi said:
What's that supposed to mean? You think the Canadian population gets more rural and therefore more racist as you go north? Eighty percent of the Canadian population live in cities first of all. So the majority of the racist and bigots are cities not the rural areas. Secondly, the country's population isn't arranged nor spread like the way it is in the United States. According to their government census, something like 62% of the population live in cities. They have a rather large rural population in ways we don't. Most of our bigots live in the cities with us.
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No, see my posts just above yours. I completely agree with you.
 
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Stop making this news, it just gives her more legitimacy than she deserves. Any population is going to have a certain percentage of absolute garbage people, so 3% is about what I expected
 
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Muppet of a Man said:
Here is a great new article by Vox explaining exactly what I'm talking about with the left-leaning media propping up and amplifying right-wing hate bullshit and concern trolling, most of which is done in a premeditated, coordinated fashion and in bad faith by the right-wing:

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/23/18004478/hack-gap-explained

This sort of dumb shit really pisses me off. I'm a very progressive person. But I'm also a a no-bullshit kinda dude who doesn't back down and who puts people in their place when they deserve it. I feel like a left-winger from a different era....a time when the left-wing were tougher and didn't rest on their laurels. They fought back hard. I don't see that these days, and it is disheartening to say the least.
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Thanks for the article that was a good read. It explained those problems well.

I'm a progressive person but I consider my political alignment as right leaning Liberal. Not a popular stance in these parts I know but I differ from a lot of the current right in my support of issues like equality, reconciliation, the environment, public health, secular legislation, human rights in general and the like. To me not only are they important, these matters should be all but settled and considered part of Canadian culture and should be protected, not fought against and made a distraction when there are important matters to address. The radicalization of the right has made those of the right leaning liberal appear more left than they would appear otherwise.

Since it is being brought up in the thread and pertains to those fighting back: One of the things that troubles me with the discussion of First Nations issues is they're almost always brought up as the victims, that they aren't trying to help themselves, aren't making any progress and that no one on any level of government has done anything to help the situation. Often it's to blame Trudeau who only has so much power to make change or to smear Canada's reputation. They ignore any progress that has been made and ignore successes of First Nations people and never offer any ideas for solutions to problems that are within the power of government to address. First Nations have been doing a lot of work in recent years that have been successful. There is still a lot to be done but Trudeau, First Nations and the rest of the citizens of Canada trying to make things better don't have a magic wand they can just wave to make it all better. As you say, people need to fight for it and fight back against those that seek to undermine allies and diminish the work that has been done.
 
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Slime said:
Maybe Trudeau was on to something with his bullshit PR excuse
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Maybe. It does seem to echo the voice of former PM Chrétien who was a crafty politician and may have had influence.

The obvious concern here and that has been raised is having these far-right voices represented in Legislatures under PR.
Less obvious is the concern that one of the big tent parties, the Conservative parties in this case, under FPTP are going to represent and legislate for those votes and give the far-right more actual power while obscuring them under the party banner and dogwhistles.
 
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