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Lol no. How can you guys see GG everywhere

The motto of "No politics, only games" is from GG movement. That tries to deny the involvement in social issues among anything political that games naturally have.

The fact that they declare the issue as a simple debate, an issue that risks the right of existence to a certain minority, is even more telling.
 

Spyware

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I realize I never added my own opinion on the tweet.

It's a terrible non-apology. Absolute bullshit.
Just... no. I won't be buying anything more from GOG and I am happy that I have not bought much from them earlier.
 

Opoth

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Definitely a disappointing response from a PR perspective. My point still stands about choosing battles though, their response is unacceptable, but I'll stan for W3 itself as being an example of strong progressive/inclusive writing to the end of my days.
 

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Let's not pretend there isn't a pattern here...

Oof, yeah. That's pretty bad.
 

Kitsunelaine

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I absolutely am not phrasing it that way and openly said that it sucks

By saying "I understand what they're trying to say" you're saying that there's some kind of misconception or understanding present. There is not. We understand them perfectly. We understand that they don't care. There is no misunderstanding. They said everything they meant to say in the way they meant to say it. They didn't "try" to say something, they sucseeded in saying how little they care.
 

Famassu

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They are not entitled for my money, but I always think about myself and situation like this. Like, if my CEO would spout nonsense like this tweet multiple times, I would hope the CEO gets replaced, not that the whole company goes down and ruins the life of 16.000+ people. And the company going down is pretty much the end-goal of a boycot.



If I have no proof/evidence that a major part of the people working on a game are hateful idiots, I probably would not boycot said game/company. Also boycotting companies is always pretty much colatteral damage, because even Ubisoft could have a team of idiots, then I would boycot/not buy that game and the team/hateful people would naturally be sorted out. But I would not boycot the whole of Ubisoft with thousands of employees, see my example above.


I think that is a good thing of EA, and Ubisoft has a disclaimer like this before every AC game too, I think. Stuff like this should be sorted out internally imho.
Just to be clear, I think that tweet is horrible and the person responsible should be replaced. I can also understand if you don't want to support the company, I just think about myself in the situation and I would be pretty mad if I lost my job because my marketing team are idiots.
The aim of a boycott is not to bring a whole company to financial ruin unless it's something like Breitbart that is rotten to the core and the whole intent is to spread hate or if the whole operation is seen as problematic (i.e. fur industry)

Most boycotts want to pressure companies to make changes to what is perceived as problematic behaviour/actions/culture/aspects. If those changes are made, most people are willing to forgive and forget.

In this case I feel people would be content if CDP & GOG came out with a statement apologizing, condemning transphobia and being at least somewhat transparent about what kind of actions they are going to take to ensure that this doesn't happen again. At this point I feel the whole fucking company should also go through some kind of education and/or sensitivity training about transgender, gay and other people from other minorities/harassed groups and they need to set ground rules about how everyone in the company needs to approach these topics and people.

Currently CDP/GOG doesn't seem to be doing much else but delete the tweet.
 

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And that takes care of my gog account. Shame, too, I used to like the idea of them. A lot. They were, to me, the one way to have a digital store - actually DRM free (unlike that steam "totally not DRM" thing that is super optional yet used by all of them). But I rather put up with steam than support this.
Hoping itch.io will grow. :/
 

metalslimer

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And with that failure of a response fuck this company forever

They dont even have the basic decency to applogize which shows they are in full support
 

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User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns over transphobia. Ignoring mod post. Account still in junior phase.
People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.
 

Eumi

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Yeah but are they mocking it?
I just don't see that. Their company is focused on preserving old PC games that otherwise would be lost to time.
Don't get me wrong it's dumb and insensitive but I just don't see it as being tansphobic.
So it's dumb and insensitive towards trans people... but somehow not transphobic?

Dumb and insensitive jokes (which it is, their response literally calls it a pun) about trans people is transphobic.
 

metalslimer

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.

Do you want to post this on a non burner account?
 

Just_a_Mouse

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Fuck that bullshit response. They can have the gator market, but I'll never purchase anything from these transphobic assholes.
 

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.
This isn't the first time they've done something like this, there's a pattern here. But sure, call it "making a big deal about nothing". It's easy to look the other way when this doesn't affect you.
 

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By saying "I understand what they're trying to say" you're saying that there's some kind of misconception or understanding present. There is not. We understand them perfectly. We understand that they don't care. There is no misunderstanding. They said everything they meant to say in the way they meant to say it. They didn't "try" to say something, they sucseeded in saying how little they care.
No, I understand the point that they are trying to make that their usage of the hashtag was not meant to be tied to the political meaning behind it. That doesn't make it right or good, I just understand why they would come to this as an acceptable non apology

You're putting so many words into my mouth that I neither said nor believe
 

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.

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Now say that with your real account

No, I understand the point that they are trying to make that their usage of the hashtag was not meant to be tied to the political meaning behind it.

IT CLEARLY WAS.
 

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.
fuck off
 

Igniz12

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Has their comment about it been posted yet?

They must see the alt-right aligned section of gaming as a powerful ally to get on their side, there is only so long you can get away with this song and dance before people realize what you are about.

1. Another dubious tweet
2. Public backlash after repeated infractions
3. Claim heavy handed reaction from certain sections of (leftist) MSM
4. GG and other assholes start to come to their defense along with all that that entails

Either that or some people on CDPR's books have very short leashes and nine lives.
 

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.
Be a man and don't use your throwaway pal.
 

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Can you even call it transphobia when they just coopted a hashtag for a dumb marketing tweet?
I can't call that transphobia when no statement was made about trans people.

Yea if you think about coopting a trans-right hashtag about the literal removal of the definition of being "trans" in America to make a stupid joke, that's being transphobic.

The statement in itself is belittling the shit trans people have had to go through and what they are literally fighting for, it's marginalizing their existence for the sake of a joke, and then not even having the sense to apologize.

People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.

Alts by default
 

Kitsunelaine

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i'm not saying it wasn't??? are you even reading what i'm saying

Yes. You are saying you understand the point they are "trying" to make. By saying you understand something they're trying to do in a sympathetic manner, you are expressing empathy to the general intent behind the sentiments. There's no other reason to highlight it in the way you did. I'm saying your empathy is misplaced.
 

Wotkar

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at least we can settle once and for all that cd project is a transphobic company and that it wasn't a rogue (or rouge if you're saudi) public relations agent
 

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They must see the alt-right aligned section of gaming as a powerful ally to get on their side, there is only so long you can get away with this song and dance before people realize what you are about.

1. Another dubious tweet
2. Public backlash after repeated infractions
3. Claim heavy handed reaction from certain sections of (leftist) MSM
4. GG and other assholes start to come to their defense along with all that that entails

Either that or some people on CDPR's books have very short leashes and nine lives.

Eh, both co-founders are rather liberal-to-leftist. Iwinski is on record mocking Trump and the company put jokes about the right wing government in their games. They employ(ed) trans, gay people.
 

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Yea if you think about coopting a trans-right hashtag about the literal removal of the definition of being "trans" in America to make a stupid joke, that's being transphobic.

The statement in itself is belittling the shit trans people have had to go through and what they are literally fighting for, it's marginalizing their existence for the sake of a joke, and then not even having the sense to apologize.

Now that you put it this way I see what you guys mean.
Thanks for helping to explain it.
 

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Yes. You are saying you understand the point they are "trying" to make. By saying you understand something they're trying to do in a sympathetic manner, you are expressing empathy to the general intent behind the sentiments. There's no other reason to highlight it in the way you did.
Jesus christ

I am not expressing any empathy, which was very clearly expressed by me saying that it sucked. All I said as I understand how they would think this was a good way to try and explain this away

Understanding someone's intention behind a statement does not make you sympathetic towards it, that's ridiculous.
 

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.
This post is like 1 notch away from using the word "snowflake".

Maybe consider the context of that hashtag and what's going on right now regarding trans rights? Do you still feel it's a really good time to post that hilarious "joke"?
 

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People are too sensitive these days. You all act like CDPR as a company must have some agenda against trans when more than likely this was just one of their social media guys making a dumb joke. I dont think I could even classify it as "mocking", more like they were just trying to ride on the back of a trending hashtag. Making a big deal out of nothing just because people love drama.
People don't oppose this for drama. That is such an idiotic thing to say. Transgender people are facing one of the biggest threats to their existence in the US and you think that people are just in it for the drama? Not everyone is as horrible a person as you are. People actually care about other people.

If it was just the first sentence, maybe it could be seen as "only riding on the back of a trending hashtag" (which itself is distasteful considering the horrible happenings behind the hashtag in the first place), but the second one clearly makes a mockery of the hashtag and issue behind it.
 

Kitsunelaine

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Jesus christ

I am not expressing any empathy, which was very clearly expressed by me saying that it sucked. All I said as I understand how they would think this was a good way to try and explain this away

Understanding someone's intention behind a statement does not make you sympathetic towards it, that's ridiculous.

i understand what their trying to say but unsurprisingly this stinks

it's really not difficult to just apologise

That's not very clearly expressed but if you actually meant "Everything you(GOG) said here is wrong" then you just put that across a little poorly. There was no elaboration and "I understand what their(sic) trying to say but unsurprisingly this stinks" leaves a lot open to interpetation with the phrasing of everything before the but.
 
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