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Rondras

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Aug 28, 2018
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That's the problem with saying any racer is the best one ever - there's so many different types. GT, Burnout, MotorStorm and PGR may as well be different genres. Horizon 4 is pretty much a mish mash if everything all bundled into an open world.
Exactly.

Forza is the best open world racing game no doubt but it isn't THE BEST OF EVERYTHING IN RACING. Just the feel of the cars and the physics makes it fall down in that top list.
 

Vipu

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Oct 26, 2017
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It looks good and single player side is decent.
Multiplayer side is terrible.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
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Exactly.

Forza is the best open world racing game no doubt but it isn't THE BEST OF EVERYTHING IN RACING. Just the feel of the cars and the physics makes it fall down in that top list.

It really only has The Crew as competition and that game is not even close. I actually feel like the handling is really good for what type of game they're going for. It's the structure and everything else that I have some issues with in 4 - everything is watered down to attract as wider market as possible.
 

xyla

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't really understand how the game is so CPU limited on PC. 60FPS shouldn't be that hard if the One X can handle it that easily while running on 2011 pimped laptop cores.
I'm not running state of the art with a i5-4460, but it's still considerably better than the X CPU. I'm also running a 970 and that's just a 50% while playing - but I can't run Discord and the game at the same time, because as soon as the CPU spikes, I can't talk or understand anything anymore.
 

Firefoxprime

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Oct 30, 2017
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FINALLY THREE FIELDS Did it.

You bet your fanny they did!

Some people like crashing into shit more than racing

Their opinions are wrong, of course, but hey let them play their crashing simulator. I enjoyed Paradise as a play online with friends and fuck around game. It was a bad racing game.

Oh you're mistaken friend.


THIS is a crashing simulator.



THIS is an unadultered high-speed 100% arcade racing game. Unreleased of course(Feb 2019).
 

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I absolutely loved 3 but for some reason 4 isn't grabbing me. I can acknowledge the quality (there's a ton of quality here) but, after about ten hours or so, I'm struggling to find motivation to go back and have started playing other stuff.

Feels like it's maybe a mixture of location, the feeling like I don't care to progress past where I am and also that I really don't care much for the soundtrack compared to FH3.

Me too. Played the shit out of 3, Australia was fantastic. Britain is quite beautiful, but "boring". Australia was way more exciting. Something about 4 doesn't grab me in the way 3 did.

I have over 80 hours invested in it, and I strongly disagree. It's a great game, let down by numerous very poor design decisions, annoyances, issues and so on. Forza Horizon 3 is still the far superior title. For just some of the reasons why:
  • The economy and progression in Forza Horizon 4 is actually pretty awful. Getting useless cosmetics in 60%+ of all your wheelspins is utterly frustrating, as is the poor RnG luck based nature of the spins themselves, more so when the majority of rewards are non financially rewarding.
  • Online is worse and not nearly as competitive.
  • The shared world is also in some ways a step back compared to FH3's social elements, which is ironic considering it was a heavily advertised feature but ultimately seems pretty lifeless and immaterial.
  • There is a massive and hugely disappointing lack of championships, which presently only really exist in one weekly update.
  • Races have been unnecessarily casualified now, in that coming first barely nets any difference in reward or progression compared to coming 4th, 5th or worse. Likewise that the different difficulties barely give you much bonus in terms of credits.
  • The rewards and credit earnings are far slower and more stringent. Gone are head to head bounties that gave you 100k+ in a matter of minutes. Gone is getting paid for simply being a drivatar. Gone is selling cars back to the Autoshow. Now you have to actually pay millions to get skill songs and fast travel, which coupled with the abundance of cosmetics in spins and everything else, just makes things far less rewarding and more tight.
  • Forzathon Live events are pretty lackluster and not only often poorly match-made and balanced, but rather boring and repetitive too. Likewise, there's no competitive element to them, or added reward for contributing more or anything like that.
  • The AI difficulty spikes and behaviour are all over the place. Sometimes races even on Unbeatable are pitifully easy, whilst other times the AI seems like it's beholden to an entirely different set of rules. AI in street races during the rain especially, often perform in physics defying completely unrealistic ways, as if loss of traction plus wet track braking and consideration aren't even a thing to them.
  • I'm not finding the tracks as diverse or enjoyable as FH3's. Too many roads are narrow and technical or dirt based, to the point where S2 and X cars just aren't as fun to use, or are far harder to maintain, further exasperated by the AI. FH3 to me had a better balance of wide open, technical, high speed etc. Hell I don't think there is a single long stretch in FH4 that you can actually max top speeds of the fastest cars the way you could in FH3. If there is I haven't experienced it, even on the longest stretch of the motorway.
  • Too much of the racing and driving in the game is loose traction based. So much is dirt or cross road, and rain constantly occupying Autumn and Spring, plus snow in Winter, only further exasperates this. There are simply a diminished number of opportunities to test the limits of track or road based vehicles unless you blueprint. Unless it's summer, you can't even enjoy break neck driving around the world without constantly being interrupted and annoyed by rain.
  • Whilst seasons add nice visual flavour and diversity, due the reasons outlined above, they can often get frustrating or even boring. Having them locked to an entire week and not being able to change them except in blueprints, only makes it worse.
  • Rivals is much worse now by being set to specific vehicles. Let us choose our own like in FH3, and have things segmented by car type and class type, that was far more fun.
  • Tunes and paints often don't properly load or take ages to show up fully in the menu in order for me to be able to apply them.
  • Often times loading screens will just hang in the zoom in of the car at the menu, and I'll have to wait ages for anything to happen.
  • End game progression is much slower due to level ups being much slower.
  • The auction house is just slow and cumbersome to use. Collecting cars and credits takes aeons. Not to mention most cars don't even sell, or sell for only a pittance, making it not worthwhile. This is made worse by the fact that you can no longer sell back to the Autoshow.
  • The soundtrack is not as inspired or enjoyable compared to past franchise examples.
  • And much more.
I could go on. FH4 essentially seems like an unnecessarily further 'gatcha' esque casualified version of FH3, with a ridiculous emphasis on cosmetics, worse online, less of an overall competitive spirit, worse progression and rewards, lots of poor design decisions, and overall less fun driving and racing. That's not to say I dislike it, I'm still very much enjoying the game overall, but I can't help but feel somewhat disappointed.

Agree on everything. FH4 is simply not as fun, addictive and exciting as 3 and that's a big dissapointment.
 

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What? I've got easily double that and still have a shit ton to do. You can easily spend 50 hrs and not play the same race twice, and that's not even counting if you make your own blueprint things. Not enough credits? Are you not doing races and just doing story/showcases or something?
It really isn't that long if you focus on racing only.

90 races + 5 showcases, most being 2-3 minute long, shouldn't take more than 10 hours to complete.

If you've only played 12 hours you can't even have possibly driven every car you've gotten.

And the game doesn't give you any encouragement to do so. On the contrary, with perks being linked to cars now, there is even less reason to change cars.
 

NinjaHound

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Nov 5, 2017
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I feel like it encourages off roading a bit too much in the open world but otherwise I like it.

What cars do you all usually stick to?
 

Joohanh

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Oct 28, 2017
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What cars do you all usually stick to?
Freeroaming can get quite annoying if there's a specific thing you need to do, so I've been using the Aventador '16 to get around. Same for all S2/X events.
For S1, Huracan
For A, Audi TTS

Haven't really played much else online than road racing :D

EDIT: One thing that does fuck me up are those seasonal events. They can be whatever! Then you find yourself in a cross-country race with a hypercar of about 10cm ground clearance :D
 

Serious Sam

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Oct 27, 2017
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This thread is just a bunch of people venting their personal opinions about FH4 and passing them as a facts.

Like the person who claimed FH4 has too much dirt/offroad racing. Well, no! I absolutely adore dirt and offroad events and Cross Country is my favorite event type.

And the game doesn't give you any encouragement to do so. On the contrary, with perks being linked to cars now, there is even less reason to change cars.
I find myself changing cars more often than I ever did in any Forza Horizon game before. I was given the greatest encouragement possible - free instant delivery of every car from my garage. If the only encouragement for you is reward multiplier bonus that car provides then maybe you are playing the game for the wrong reasons.
 

JamboGT

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love driving around in FH4, absolutely love it game is easily a 9 or 10 out of 10 in my book. Not sure that it is a great racing game though. For racing I definitely go to different places.
 

-Amon-

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Oct 28, 2017
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Fh4 is the best open world driving game and for a great margin too. Maybe the best ever made.

Racing is an entirely different matter.
 

HBK

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm not sure if I'd agree with a lot of the terms used here, such as "racing" or "best in a decade", but FH4 is a damn good car game, that's for sure. Hopefully the route creator will give it the one thing it crucially lacks: replayability.
 

bangai-o

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Oct 27, 2017
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On the topic of PGR4, it was the better game then PGR2, but the online community in PGR2 was much stronger. PGR4 had a lot of competition, so racing fans were not all playing it.
 

m23

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm still more of a Forza Motorsport kind of guy, but FH4 is probably the best arcade racer I've every played. It was FH1 before, but after sinking my teeth more into FH4, I'm loving it more and more. The feeling of driving just feels so good and the dirt/offroad races are the best they've ever been in the series.

Lots of people love Burnout Paradise and I can see why, but I really didn't like the change in direction for the series.
 

DJKippling

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Nov 1, 2017
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3 was better I think.

The progression is weak in this one and the skills being tied to cars is ridiculous as you change cars literally all the time. Unless there's a standard perk tree I'm missing?

definitely the best map and the season stuff is great though. looks amazing on the X.
 

SuikerBrood

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Jan 21, 2018
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We need a dirt race expansion set, filled with cool rally cars, dirt racing tracks and championships. Let the mud fly everywhere!
 

Ryu bogard

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Nov 23, 2017
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it is a good game but I enjoyed forza horizon 3 way more. also horizon 4 on the PC has online issues which prevents a lot players including myself from playing online.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
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3 was better I think.

The progression is weak in this one and the skills being tied to cars is ridiculous as you change cars literally all the time. Unless there's a standard perk tree I'm missing?

definitely the best map and the season stuff is great though. looks amazing on the X.

Skills being tied to cars was a roundabout method of the game giving you wheelspins.
 

DGS

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Nov 2, 2017
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Great open-world driving game, but I fell racing is something completely different.
Imo, there are a lot of great racing games this gen: DiRT Rally, GT Sport, PC2, FM7, ...
And don't forget TrackMania Turbo, DriveClub, ... . I love arcade games.
One thing I'm really missing ist a new Riiidge Racer. :)

Edit:

... and Driver and a new take on Test Drive would be something.
 

Emick81

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Jan 17, 2018
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It is a great game for sure, but I feel that PG did not make a lot effort to create real great memorable races. If you look at the roadraces I find the offerings pretty mediocre. Most of the time when you really start to get in to a race the finishline is there.

Also the circuits give me a real feeling of "been there done that" None of them gives me a need of starting a timetrial and going for faster laptimes again and again.

A good thing is that there is a routecreator coming out this week of course. I hope they will let us add grand stands next to the track as well.
 

Kevin Shields

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Oct 27, 2017
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The progression is not my favorite, but as far as the racing, the variety, the fun factor, and the amount of content. It's easily the best car game I've ever played and it's not that close. You really have to be self motivated though
 

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It's a great arcade racing game, sure it is. It's not the best racing game.

Yeah. The Horizon series has been amazing as a certain type of realistic arcade racing game. I think there's better racing games, but it is a wide genre appealing to different people.

I got to level 1000 and beyond in FH3, but I wouldn't say the racing is what kept me going really.
 
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What cars do you all usually stick to?
So far, I have an Alpina inspired BMW E34 M5 with about 400hp and moderate drivetrain and stability upgrades to keep it just under B class 400 - that's the car I drive mostly. I also have an E60 M5 for cruising point to point on the map. No upgrades and a simple paint job.

Maybe I've just lost my ability to be critical about cames, but I really don't see why there are so many complaints.
 
Mar 29, 2018
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There is a weird problem with Forza Horizon 4. Using a Logitech Driving Force Pro (yeah I know, it's old lol) on PC I'm left with two options. Using 200° mode gets you a car that is too quick with the steering , and using 900° mode gets a slow turning car that still locks in game at around 200°. It make driving harder than it should be, since I race with all assists turned off and no replay.

Anyone else fighting this issue? Also no matter how much I adjust deadzones, both in and out for the brakes, touching the pedal is just like a digital on/off, making me spin mid corner a lot.
 

Zoid

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Oct 27, 2017
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The game is amazing but the online is horrible right now. I can join an online session just fine but joining a friend's convoy? Only works when it feels like it and when it does somebody usually gets kicked after a race.
 

Bugalugs214

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Easily the best for me and i love racing games.
Saying that though theres lots they can fix so it can only get better.
 

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There is a weird problem with Forza Horizon 4. Using a Logitech Driving Force Pro (yeah I know, it's old lol) on PC I'm left with two options. Using 200° mode gets you a car that is too quick with the steering , and using 900° mode gets a slow turning car that still locks in game at around 200°. It make driving harder than it should be, since I race with all assists turned off and no replay.

Anyone else fighting this issue? Also no matter how much I adjust deadzones, both in and out for the brakes, touching the pedal is just like a digital on/off, making me spin mid corner a lot.

Most people don't use wheels here, you're best off going to the official forums for help. Wheel support in this game us shoddy at best, it takes a lot of fiddling with settings to get something that feels good for most people, and even then it's unlikely you will find settings that work well across all disciplines (road/offroad/drift) which doesn't make any sense but whatever...

Anyway, try this thread as a starting point: https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/turn10_postst131902p7_Wheel-degrees-and-settings.aspx?=

Also worth noting that if your wheel doesn't appear on the list here and they haven't manually added a profile for it in the game then you are SOL, your wheel simply won't work correctly no matter what you do. In that case you need to raise a ticket with support and hope they get round to adding it.

Finally, use the dashboard view that doesn't have the in-game wheel/drivers arms being rendered. That is locked to 200 degrees regardless of what your wheel DOR is set to.
 
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ThisIsBlitz21

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Oct 22, 2018
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I agree with OP here, for me this is hands down the best racing game of this generation. And the best racing game overall since Burnout Paradise.
 

DrDeckard

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Oct 25, 2017
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Same here.
I like it a lot, but the progression is very disappointing, and I lost motivation to keep playing really quickly.

Its something they genuinely need to improve on as I've read this from a few people.

Luckily the rush kf just driving and couple with the correct difficulty has me absolutely in love. I think it's because I just love cars etc and so I enjoy collecting the cars. The events are all amazing. I love the off road. It's exhilarating. I just think the game is brilliant and absolutely drop dead gorgeous.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
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Its something they genuinely need to improve on as I've read this from a few people.

Luckily the rush kf just driving and couple with the correct difficulty has me absolutely in love. I think it's because I just love cars etc and so I enjoy collecting the cars. The events are all amazing. I love the off road. It's exhilarating. I just think the game is brilliant and absolutely drop dead gorgeous.

I don't even think the game is necessarily that amazing for actual car lovers though. The cockpit camera isn't there great and lacks retail. The engine sounds are really weak and inaccurate for most models too. In the official forums there are a lot of car enthusiasts complaining about it.

It's also extremely annoying that certain cars are locked behind RNG wheelspins.
 

DrDeckard

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I don't even think the game is necessarily that amazing for actual car lovers though. The cockpit camera isn't there great and lacks retail. The engine sounds are really weak and inaccurate for most models too. In the official forums there are a lot of car enthusiasts complaining about it.

It's also extremely annoying that certain cars are locked behind RNG wheelspins.

Ahh well, I think I always see Forza Horizon as a great open world racing game that is not trying to be too serious. It's more the I dunno, I feel a disservice saying the max power Poster on the wall type of game but, yeah. I hope with the community feedback they can get it to where everyone really enjoys it.

I just love turning it on and relaxing while playing it, it really winds me down.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
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Ahh well, I think I always see Forza Horizon as a great open world racing game that is not trying to be too serious. It's more the I dunno, I feel a disservice saying the max power Poster on the wall type of game but, yeah. I hope with the community feedback they can get it to where everyone really enjoys it.

I just love turning it on and relaxing while playing it, it really winds me down.

Don't think they will fix those things because it is not exactly their target market. The engine sounds have been getting progressively worse ever year for a while too now as well.
 
Mar 29, 2018
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Most people don't use wheels here, you're best off going to the official forums for help. Wheel support in this game us shoddy at best, it takes a lot of fiddling with settings to get something that feels good for most people, and even then it's unlikely you will find settings that work well across all disciplines (road/offroad/drift) which doesn't make any sense but whatever...

Anyway, try this thread as a starting point: https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/turn10_postst131902p7_Wheel-degrees-and-settings.aspx?=

Also worth noting that if your wheel doesn't appear on the list here and they haven't manually added a profile for it in the game then you are SOL, your wheel simply won't work correctly no matter what you do. In that case you need to raise a ticket with support and hope they get round to adding it.

Finally, use the dashboard view that doesn't have the in-game wheel/drivers arms being rendered. That is locked to 200 degrees regardless of what your wheel DOR is set to.

My wheel has a profile baked into the game already. It shows up in the settings as "Logitech Driving Force Pro"
 

Revan Ren

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Jan 11, 2018
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FH4 is a good game.I don't really know where it ranks amongst the greatest racing games, but the actual racing here is one of its worst aspects.