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angel_deamon

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Why people are talking about PS4/PS4Pro?, this thread was specifically about the XbX version
 

big_z

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Nov 2, 2017
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Gang the only way we can be safe is to not play the game. Cancel those preorders and sleep well. #teamabstinence
 
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Enjoyment of a console doesn't have to be about the best graphics, it's the whole package, i got the X as a gift and always hated the OS, controllers disconnecting, wifi signal sometimes not being recognized, updates stuck at downloading, i could keep going, i never had any of those issues on ps4, ever, maybe someone had, hence the reason i have my X up for sale on the buy/sale thread here, i loved breath of the wild at 900p on switch, I don't think I'll die if i play red dead at 25 or 30% less resolution, everything they have shown is running on the ps4 and it looks outstanding, that's enough for me.
I play PS4 exclusives that interest me in my og PS4 ..having a Xbox X all the rest have no sense to play it on it.....I would just playing a subpar versions
And meanwhile i think the same as you...for me the winner of the whole package is the X having best hw best network and best services in the market (at least talk about multiplats)
 
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Fastidioso

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Gamer17

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User Banned (1 Week): Stoking system wars, history of doing so
I play PS4 exclusives that interest me in my og PS4 ..having a Xbox X all the rest have no sense to play it on it.....I would just okay subpar versions
And I think the same as.you...but I think the winner of the whole package is the X having best hw best network and best services in the market (at least talk about multiplats)
So u were playing on PS4 from 2013 to 2017 ? Since u know ,u care so much for pixel and wouldn't touch subpar versions ?or could it be that u love MS and u LL be there whatever they do, day 1 . genuinely interested to know when u wrote a sentence like this .like u were playing on Xbox for 4 years despite it being inferior version .
 

pswii60

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So u were playing on PS4 from 2013 to 2017 ? Since u know ,u care so much for pixel and wouldn't touch subpar versions ?or could it be that u love MS and u LL be there whatever they do, day 1 ;).
I don't know about the person you quoted, but that was certainly me and a few friends of mine too. I played all third parties on PS4 2013-2016, Pro 2016-17 and X since it launched. Pro (and Switch) now used for exclusives only - luckily there are plenty of those so it still gets a lot of use.
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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I don't know about the person you quoted, but that was certainly me and a few friends of mine too. I played all third parties on PS4 2013-2016, Pro 2016-17 and X since it launched. Pro (and Switch) now used for exclusives only - luckily there are plenty of those so it still gets a lot of use.
I know u and I would never ask u that question as I know exactly that's what u did. I know him as well .so that's why I asked him
 

bbq of doom

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jealousy about what? The whole thread is about something which not seems even true and some people is genuinely curious if there will be improved assets on both "premium" console like others games :/

Is there a list of Pro games with improved texture assets? I was under the impression that it was a VRAM limitation, so I'm curious to see what's on it.
 
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So u were playing on PS4 from 2013 to 2017 ? Since u know ,u care so much for pixel and wouldn't touch subpar versions ?or could it be that u love MS and u LL be there whatever they do, day 1 . genuinely interested to know when u wrote a sentence like this .like u were playing on Xbox for 4 years despite it being inferior version .
Exactly ...I didn't buy the og Xbox One I bought just the x
 

Apex88

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Is there a list of Pro games with improved texture assets? I was under the impression that it was a VRAM limitation, so I'm curious to see what's on it.
Shadow of the Tomb Raider had an enhanced texture pack on Pro & One X. But as pointed out earlier, some titles like Uncharted 4, shipped with higher texture quality than most of today's latest games. It's all down to dev priorities and one of the stand out features of Sony 1st Party titles.
 

bbq of doom

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shadow of the Tomb Raider had an enhanced texture pack on Pro & One X. But as pointed out earlier, some titles like Uncharted 4, shipped with higher texture quality than most of today's latest games. It's all down to dev priorities and one of the stand out features of Sony 1st Party titles.

Any other multiplats?
 

Pryme

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But as pointed out earlier, some titles like Uncharted 4, shipped with higher texture quality than most of today's latest games. It's all down to dev priorities and one of the stand out features of Sony 1st Party titles.

I think he wanted to know if the PS4 Pro had better textures than the base PS4 console.
 

Liliana

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Oct 28, 2017
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which ever one is cheaper lol

You are factually incorrect. Even without a 4K TV, the XBX will still be the best option (the guy you quoted did not imply anything about price and asked as he was asking for a definitive answer). That's why these people said what they did after your post:


Dat sweet super sampling.

The one with better specs

I respectfully disagree.

The downsampling that the Xbox One X does, makes the games look very good even on a 1080p screen. Couple that with the better framerate and general graphics.. I'd say that if you have the money, the Xbox One X is an easy choice.

Which brings me to your next comment:

can you explain how any of what u said has anything to do with xbox scarlet? do you know the specs of PS5 & scarlet to make such statement ?

There is no need to make such a purposefully obtuse reply, asking if I know the specs for next gen consoles. Do you not see the correlation in the rest of the stuff I said in the same post you quoted me on (I'm sure you do but choose to ignore it)? This isn't even the official DF thread and you have pages of some people going full batshit fanboy status because of this, to the point that people are expecting #grassgate 2.0. Detective-Era uncovering concern trolls who forget to edit previous posts is fucking hilarious and sad at the same time.

Which leads me to my point: if we're getting this, now, in a time where the XBX is known to be the significantly superior console (which doesn't register for certain folk), imagine next gen. Microsoft isn't playing around have explicitly stated their intentions on having the most powerful console with Scarlett. This is contrast to the Xbox One, which launched subpar performance-wise to the competition and they had to deal with the repercussions (which Sony and fans took advantage of until the XBX came out), or the Xbox 360, which since launch was touted as the weaker and less capable platform. Only the original OG Xbox was superior graphics wise (and feature wise, but that is irrelevant) but it was a new console with much less first/third party support, going up against already released popular household-named platforms.

I fully believe Microsoft is going to have the superior console again with their direction, seriousness and confidence, but even if I am wrong, the fact is that it is highly likely then to be a close race. And again, if we have these problems in threads now... imagine then. In every fucking thread. So yes, I stand by what I said.

So u were playing on PS4 from 2013 to 2017 ? Since u know ,u care so much for pixel and wouldn't touch subpar versions ?or could it be that u love MS and u LL be there whatever they do, day 1 ;).

Ah, there it is. You realize we can see edited posts, right? Or the fact that someone quoted you before you edited? Not sure why you need to know what the guy you're quoting played years ago, as that is irrelevant to his current (true) comment, but I don't see why you had to throw in that console warrior bullshit at the end. I mean, things were already transparant as hell to me, but still. Come on, breh.

Because of.....what? Naaah. He doesn't know ( or anyone here ). Will send you a PM.

Um, I don't need someone who is constantly banned for console warrioring (like in your last post before this one) answering on my behalf, thank you. I can do it myself (and just did above).

Like I originally said, some of ya'll act more childish then my own little kids.
 

Pottuvoi

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Oct 28, 2017
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Honest question.. can the Pro manage 4k texture with it's bandwidth and ram? Other games use it?
Depends entirely on assets used, density and streaming.
Bandwidth shouldn't be a problem due mipmapping.

Virtual texturing would decouple memory use from resolution. (For most part.)
Meaning you can have huge textures on everything if you can load them fast enough and still use same amount of memory. (May not be feasible due to storage and art perspective.)
Bad thing is possibly visible texture popin.

Many games use them for terrain and create texture partially on fly by splatting lot of textures on top of other's others and reuse the result for a long time. (IE. Farcry 4, Battlefield etc.)
 
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Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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You are factually incorrect. Even without a 4K TV, the XBX will still be the best option (the guy you quoted did not imply anything about price and asked as he was for a definitive answer). That's why these people said what they did after your post:









Which brings me to your next comment:



There is no need to make such a purposefully obtuse reply, asking if I know the specs for next gen consoles. Do you not see the correlation in the rest of the stuff I said in the same post you quoted me on (I'm sure you do but choose to ignore it)? This isn't even the official DF thread and you have pages of some people going full batshit fanboy status because of this, to the point that people are expecting #grassgate 2.0. Detective-Era uncovering concern trolls who forget to edit previous posts is fucking hilarious and sad at the same time.

Which leads me to my point: if we're getting this, now, in a time where the XBX is known to be the significantly superior console (which doesn't register for certain folk), imagine next gen. Microsoft isn't playing around have explicitly stated their intentions on having the most powerful console with Scarlett. This is contrast to the Xbox One, which launched subpar performance-wise to the competition and they had to deal with the repercussions (which Sony and fans took advantage of until the XBX came out), or the Xbox 360, which since launch was touted as the weaker and less capable platform. Only the original OG Xbox was superior graphics wise (and feature wise, but that is irrelevant) but it was a new console with much less first/third party support, going up against already released popular household-named platforms.

I fully believe Microsoft is going to have the superior console again with their direction, seriousness and confidence, but even if I am wrong, the fact is that it is highly likely then to be a close race. And again, if we have these problems in threads now... imagine then. In every fucking thread. So yes, I stand by what I said.



Ah, there it is. You realize we can see edited posts, right? Or the fact that someone quoted you before you edited? Not sure why you need to know what the guy you're quoting played years ago, as that is irrelevant to his current (true) comment, but I don't see why you had to throw in that console warrior bullshit at the end. I mean, things were already transparant as hell to me, but still. Come on, breh.



Um, I don't need someone who is constantly banned for console warrioring (like in your last post before this one) answering on my behalf, thank you. I can do it myself (and just did above).

Like I originally said, some of ya'll act more childish then my own little kids.
So you have no clue(no proof) what u r talking about when talking about next gen as it's based on your own believe and people believe what they like to believe .thanks for making it clear.

And brehh ,u also were playing on PS4 from 2013 to 2017 , right? since u care so much for pixels and stuff and u r not warrioring for any company since u accused me of being one.
 

Liliana

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So you have no clue(no proof) what u r talking about when talking about next gen as it's based on your own believe and people believe what they like to believe .thanks for making it clear

I literally explained, in thorough detail easy enough for anybody to understand, my point. I couldn't get any clearer, and shouldn't have even responded to someone with your post history and transparancy (as I pointed out in above post), as it's quite obvious why my post bothers you. Why you're being obtuse and contrarian right now makes zero sense, but please continue to beat a dead horse if you wish.
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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I literally explained, in thorough detail easy enough for anybody to understand, my point. I couldn't get any clearer, and shouldn't have even responded to someone with your post history and transparancy (as I pointed out in above post), as it's quite obvious why my post bothers you. Why you're being obtuse and contrarian right now makes zero sense, but please continue to beat a dead horse if you wish.
U wrote YOU BELIEVE xbx2 will be better than ps5.that's doesn't mean anything .thanks and added u to my ignore list.dont have the power to discuss with warriors who call everyone else warrior without noticing they r the biggest one around .have fun
 
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GNEVERD

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Oct 27, 2017
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So you have no clue(no proof) what u r talking about when talking about next gen as it's based on your own believe and people believe what they like to believe .thanks for making it clear.

And brehh ,u also were playing on PS4 from 2013 to 2017 , right? since u care so much for pixels and stuff and u r not warrioring for any company since u accused me of being one.
Realistically, Sony can't compete with the type of money MS can throw at next gen. It's highly unlikely MS will ever lose a spec console war again.

The popularity of the Wii and Kinect played a detrimental role in MS philosophy this gen, and Phil knows it. I'm sure Sony will produce a great console, but even with the success of PS4, Sony can't afford to match MS's next gen budget. Didn't MS burn a silly amount of money on controller R&D, and Kinect this gen. I think they stated the figures at some point, but they still had money to burn to release the X. Shit is real, which is great for all of us.
 

swimming

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Oct 27, 2017
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Started the pre-load on X but what exactly is up with the 88gb? The 4K patch just gonna pre-load on release day or was R*'s website just off on the file size
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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Realistically, Sony can't compete with the type of money MS can throw at next gen. It's highly unlikely MS will ever lose a spec console war again.

The popularity of the Wii and Kinect played a detrimental role in MS philosophy this gen, and Phil knows it. I'm sure Sony will produce a great console, but even with the success of PS4, Sony can't afford to match MS's next gen budget. Didn't MS burn a silly amount of money on controller R&D, and Kinect this gen. I think they stated the figures at some point, but they still had money to burn to release the X. Shit is real, which is great for all of us.
Of course .that's very well possible indeed .but all I was trying to tell him was we don't know yet .he was talking with such confidence like he was given the next gen sepcs.
 

Hark

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Oct 29, 2017
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Welp, I caved on a One X. While I argued that I'd only play the story through once, I remembered I'll likely play quite a bit of Multiplayer just like I did RDR1 and I want the best experience I can for that.
 

Godzilla24

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This is one of the main games that made me purchase an X near launch. This will be a masterpiece, one of The games of this generation. I said I should be able to see every nook cranny detail texture etc that a thousand rockstar developers/personnel took 6 years to develop. Its actually 3000 workers over 8 years which is insane I need to see their work in all its glory. There will be no PC version for a very long time. So X for now is the definitive version. My PC is shit anyways. Not like it could run it better than my X even if it did release.
 
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Everyone at each other's throats and not a single confirmation that the Xbox One X is getting a 4k texture pack which is what this thread is about.

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Tribalism and cognitive dissonance drive the narrative in the end.

People will recognise that ''Y" version is better, but it will cause conflicting emotions as it's coupled with a string sense of tribalism. "Why should they have something better?" It then manifests as downplaying, hostility, defensiveness etc.
 

Kemono

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I certainly do hope that the X Version looks clearly better. I've bought a Xbox One X for this reason.

Tomb Raider looks stunning on the X. Even without zooming in and a side by side comparision the image looks way crisper/sharper. X has wonderful hardware. OS is a wonky and ugly piece of shit but the hardware is bliss.

Hopefully Rockstar hasn't tried to make both version on par resolution wise.
 

BladeX

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I certainly do hope that the X Version looks clearly better. I've bought a Xbox One X for this reason.

Tomb Raider looks stunning on the X. Even without zooming in and a side by side comparision the image looks way crisper/sharper. X has wonderful hardware. OS is a wonky and ugly piece of shit but the hardware is bliss.

Hopefully Rockstar hasn't tried to make both version on par resolution wise.

The framerate cost in Tomb Raider doesnt bother you? Because it really is quite disappointing. I'd go full 1080p/60fps mode in that game because of this.
 

talkTOmyHAND

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Aug 25, 2018
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Um, I don't need someone who is constantly banned for console warrioring (like in your last post before this one) answering on my behalf, thank you. I can do it myself (and just did above).

Like I originally said, some of ya'll act more childish then my own little kids.

You accusing others for childish acting and console warring. But...you are upright member of the community here, right? Look at your own post history first and foremost.
 

MetsFanAtShea

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Oct 29, 2017
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Not a fan of the Read Dead series but just to see IF this thing indeed has a 4K texture pack should be hilarious.
More importantly though,this is RockStar here. If they do use that ram for 4K textures this should really shine.
Will be a good day for gamers.
 

Kemono

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The framerate cost in Tomb Raider doesnt bother you? Because it really is quite disappointing. I'd go full 1080p/60fps mode in that game because of this.

I'm not done with the game. But so far the fps are normal.

If the fps goes down i'll look at the 1080p/60fps mode but these modes usually can't hold 60. Wonky 60 in1080 or wonky 30 in almost 4k. Not looking forward to that decision.
 

Bung Hole

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Jan 9, 2018
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You accusing others for childish acting and console warring. But...you are upright member of the community here, right? Look at your own post history first and foremost.
Don't engage my dude . When one of his posts read like this:

The Xbox One X got fanboys so shook they think we on Gamefaqs or some shit
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And he labels others 'kid's then that should automatically raise a couple red flags.
 

nekkid

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Oct 27, 2017
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X has 4K texture pack, but Pro has all those sweet sweet FP16s.

What are we arguing about? Is this like a purge thread that mods let happen to try and isolate the negativity?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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So nothing after all eh? At first it would have explained the larger file size on Xbox One, that is until we bought and installed it and it was 88GB on Xbox One X and actually 98GB on PS4.

We'll just have to wait and see what X has over the Pro but I assume it's just a resolution bump and they'll leave it at that.
 

kc44135

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Oct 25, 2017
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When will DF be taking a look at this game? Tomorrow after the embargo is up? Or do we have to wait until after release?
 

Fastidioso

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Nov 3, 2017
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X has 4K texture pack, but Pro has all those sweet sweet FP16s.

What are we arguing about? Is this like a purge thread that mods let happen to try and isolate the negativity?
There isnt any evidence about a texture 4k pack on the X until now. Except you can finally provide a concrete leak about it.
 

Iztok

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I know this is probably not a popular opinion, but I think they should offer preloads even for physical releases (preload code at purchase, for example).
Without getting into physical vs. digital, I don't think this would hurt anyone, but could be a benefit to many.
Especially if things like 4k texture packs are first day downloads.
 

Fastidioso

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Nov 3, 2017
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Not a fan of the Read Dead series but just to see IF this thing indeed has a 4K texture pack should be hilarious.
More importantly though,this is RockStar here. If they do use that ram for 4K textures this should really shine.
Will be a good day for gamers.
Oh wow. It would be hilarious because someone here think otherwise and R hasn't provide any evidence about it? What exactly will be hilarious? It's hilarious a more expensive younger console can provide better graphic? I really don't get it. It seems just the normality to me.
 

Fastidioso

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Started the pre-load on X but what exactly is up with the 88gb? The 4K patch just gonna pre-load on release day or was R*'s website just off on the file size
88 GB is the size of the file. 107 GB is the free space required for the installation. Two different things in theory. For example ps4 digitally requires 150 GB of free space but just 90GB for the disc.