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Potterson

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Oct 28, 2017
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How about you pull out some receipts, bro?

EDIT: Seriously, I like how you are allowed to shit talk eastern europe without any consequence here.

In Poland most LGBT people are still afraid to come out. First Pride March in one of our cities this month was blocked couple of times by people throwing stones and insulting LGBT and supporters for the whole duration. Even "tolerant" people tend to laugh at gay men cause it's "normal thing to do".

Receipts, lol.
 

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By devs,CEO,executives,etc? They aren't. You have a community team/marketing team and they check it, but you can also have one single guy(that you trust) that does that work(without checking) so after this fuck up they are probably 1) firing some people and 2) checking everything

What surprises me is that they didn't even apologize.
this isn't an employee issue any more, this is the THIRD time. obviously something is up and their public perception is not my problem.
 

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How does this justify hate speech like "Lack of education, diversity, and just simply garbage culture all contribute towards that" towards the population of a whole region? I found that extremely offensive.

Seeing as those are all contributing factors as to why minorities in these regions suffer and have suffered for years, it's a completely valid observation to make. Parts of my family were displaced because of shit like this and it took us well over a decade to finally see my aunt and her children again because politicians and the media in these countries know how to instrumentalize the circumstances many of the people live in. My uncle was thrown into a prison for being an ethnic minority and for months we didn't know whether he was still alive or not. Our family name was forcibly changed to remove our ethnic identity and it took us years to change it back to what it originally was - in a different country to boot. To this day, Roma are victimized by the same people that were suffering from ethnic discrimination two decades ago. Eastern Europe has a problem with these things and yes, the lack of education, diversity and a culture that perpetuates these backwards attitudes contribute to that. Sugarcoating it isn't going to help anyone and I am certainly not offended by someone pointing them out because the people who actually live there and suffer from it know this as well.
 

RocknRola

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Oct 25, 2017
12,232
Portugal
Well, at least they're consistent I guess...

Kinda leaves a bitter taste after the fun ride that we're Witcher 2 and 3 for me (not the biggest fan of the 1st game).

Still looking forward to cyberpunk but I hope they at least try to change this behavior in the meanwhile...
 

TeamLeftMatch

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Oct 25, 2017
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So like did CDPR/GOG just happen to think "well people did forget about the last 2 times we pulled this shit. Gotta remind them."
 

Aniki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Again? They have lost any benefit of the doubt i was willing to give them. This has happened multiple times now and it's time they acknowledge they have some deeper problems. A simple apology is not enough.
 

Sony

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Oct 30, 2017
565
They delibarately misused the trending topic as promotion, riding off the back of trans people. Tasteless.
 

boskee

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
418
London
man I thought the "assume their gender" joke was kinda tongue in cheek, but this latest tweet is full on blatant transphobia for sure

as game developers they are among my favorites, but its clear the studio, or at least those in charge of PR there, is full of trash people.

edit: not gonna lie though I'm not that shocked at their attitudes, it being a studio in Poland and all.

1. GOG is completely separate from CD Projekt Red

2. Get off your high horse. Poland had elected world's second transgender MP.
 

M1chl

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Nov 20, 2017
2,054
Czech Republic
I am from there. People aren't tolerant to different things at all. Even saying you don't follow religion can get you in trouble.
I totally believe that, we were treated like "Untermensch" sice we are from one of the most non-religious country on earth. And no I am not saying we are perfect, since government in here is a mess (It has been since '89), but as a nation in Czech part of the country simply does not care about people, they do not care about being whatever. I remember article in the newspaper from 2017 (?) that some pride parade which was in Prague, was under fire bz the noise, only few people complain about immorality and that was.....surprise.....Poles.
 

mjp2417

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Nov 2, 2017
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Nothing inspires me to believe that a videogame developer really understands cyberpunk and isn't actually using its name and aesthetic as a pretext to serve up lazy, glossy kitsch like taking up arms in defence of the most powerful against the most powerless. After all, that's always been the ethos of the genre.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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I was thinking of buying a new PC just for this game. As far as I'm concerned, this is the last straw. There are enough good games, and my time is limited enough, so I can afford to put my money where my mouth is. As good as the game may be, I'm now sure that I'll never buy it.
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
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If anyone is interested, they also proved they were homophobic in 2015.


https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/590153077107265536

Long story short, a bad 'joke' was in the first Pillars of Eternity and a trans woman wanted to have the game removed from her account. The GOG customer support tried to lecture her on how she should interpret transphobic content. And the GOG Twitter account, instead of saying they fired the homophobic idiot, they just alerted the agent to be more considerate.

So yeah... needless to say, GOG and CDProjekt Red are quite homophobic and they will continue doing this.


That reply is offensive in every possible way. It mockingly dismisses a customer's concerns, it's transphobic as fuck and it's some of the most broken english i've seen in a while.

As for the new tweet, no surprise at all. It's been clear for a while that CDPR is trash when it comes to progressive issues. Fuck'em.
 

DealWithIt

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Oct 28, 2017
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Man this sucks. They were the best place to go DRM free too. Why do they have to be terrible people?

They arent getting money from me unless they do something drastic. They won't though. We'll get another shitty non-apology and I'll find other games to play and platforms to buy from. Jesus what dumbasses.
 

Dark_Castle

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Oct 27, 2017
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What's more shitty about this whole situations, the major journalists outlets are all going to ignore this news and pretend it didn't happen because they don't want to get a big, rising publisher like CD Projeckt blacklists them. What a wonderful world we live in.
 

jerfdr

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Seeing as those are all contributing factors as to why minorities in these regions suffer and have suffered for years, it's a completely valid observation to make. Parts of my family were displaced because of shit like this and it took us well over a decade to finally see my aunt and her children again because politicians and the media in these countries know how to instrumentalize the circumstances many of the people live in. My uncle was thrown into a prison for being an ethnic minority and for months we didn't know whether he was still alive or not. Our family name was forcibly changed to remove our ethnic identity and it took us years to change it back to what it originally was - in a different country to boot. To this day, Roma are victimized by the same people that were suffering from ethnic discrimination two decades ago. Eastern Europe has a problem with these things and yes, the lack of education, diversity and a culture that perpetuates these backwards attitudes contribute to that. Sugarcoating it isn't going to help anyone and I am certainly not offended by someone pointing them out because the people who actually live there and suffer from it know this as well.

I'm not denying that some parts of Eastern Europe have problems in this regard and had them in the past, and this is a serious issue which has to be talked about and taken action against.

But being offended by a blanket statement like "Lack of education, diversity, and just simply garbage culture" towards the whole population of a large and actually diverse region is "sugarcoating" now, seriously? So, hate speech is now allowed when it's towards certain approved groups, like Eastern Europeans?
 

Rodjer

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Are you trying to find a justification for supporting CDPR that works for you?

I'm not? I'm stating facts, and i said earlier, CDP has to answer to these tweets because they are the owner and they control GOG, not CDPR.
I'm not finding justifications, just stop.
 

Gorgosh

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Oct 26, 2017
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you assumption is that they are entitled to your money in the first place, they' are not. especially when they let their corporate mouthpiece spew bigoted garbage. multiple times.
one of the few benefits of capitalism being taken for granted

They are not entitled for my money, but I always think about myself and situation like this. Like, if my CEO would spout nonsense like this tweet multiple times, I would hope the CEO gets replaced, not that the whole company goes down and ruins the life of 16.000+ people. And the company going down is pretty much the end-goal of a boycot.

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You and many others would choose not to buy such a game simply because the company is making a statement and it doesn't matter how many good or bad people fill the staff. Sure fine people work at GOG and CDPR but treating them nice by giving over my money doesn't trump being principled about my allyship with the transgender community.

If I have no proof/evidence that a major part of the people working on a game are hateful idiots, I probably would not boycot said game/company. Also boycotting companies is always pretty much colatteral damage, because even Ubisoft could have a team of idiots, then I would boycot/not buy that game and the team/hateful people would naturally be sorted out. But I would not boycot the whole of Ubisoft with thousands of employees, see my example above.

Whatever you think of them otherwise and while they might not be perfect, from my understanding companies like EA actively push for inclusive hiring practices (or at least try to have the principle of inclusivity) and generally openly, publicly condemn bigots whenever necessary. CDP has openly sided with Gamergate and this is not the only time they have shat on transgender people, let alone other minorities.
Yeah, assholes are everywhere but they don't all have the same weight or opportunities to influence things and the response to them being bigoted assholes openly, publicly is not equal.
I think that is a good thing of EA, and Ubisoft has a disclaimer like this before every AC game too, I think. Stuff like this should be sorted out internally imho.
Just to be clear, I think that tweet is horrible and the person responsible should be replaced. I can also understand if you don't want to support the company, I just think about myself in the situation and I would be pretty mad if I lost my job because my marketing team are idiots.
 

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I'm not saying that some parts of Eastern Europe have problems in this regard and had them in the past.
But being offended by a blanket statement like "Lack of education, diversity, and just simply garbage culture" towards the whole population of large and actually diverse region is "sugarcoating" now, seriously? So, hate speech is now allowed when it's towards certain approved groups, like Eastern Europeans?

Pointing out systemic issues that Eastern European people themselves suffer from is not hate speech.
 

Melchiah

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Oct 26, 2017
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As the refugee crisis has shown, people are not really that tolerant of different things anywhere. I guess I am just allergic to blanket statements treating EE as this monolithic entity of oppression, which is all too common around this place.

Intolerance for difference certainly seems be more common in EE. You only need to look through the dislikes on the rainbow FB posts made by developers earlier on this year. EE and dominantly religious countries were heavily represented there.

We were offered a gig in Ukraine a while ago, and when I checked the situation in the country, it didn't seem good. Especially, when compared to Finland where I live in, which is in the top 5 of tolerant European countries.

https://gay.org.ua/en/blog/category/situation-of-lgbt-in-ukraine/

2018 has demonstrated a notable increase in activity and visibility of the Ukrainian LGBT community and some improvement in the attitude of Ukrainian society and the state towards it. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities have not been ready to fulfil their commitments under the Action Plan on Human Rights on the adoption of important fundamental changes in legislation; however, they have not refused ultimately to implement changes and have actually taken certain decisions to protect the interests of LGBT people.

The police provided effective protection of LGBT events throughout the country in the cases where their conducting was agreed upon in advance; however, the practice of investigating hate crimes based on homo/transphobia remained extremely inefficient and unsatisfactory.

Ukrainian churches continued to actively support homophobic discrimination initiatives of other organisations and activists, but, except for the UOC (MP), they refrained from hate speech and their own incitements to discrimination. "The protection of the traditional family" became the main slogan of the current anti-LGBT campaigns in Ukraine.
 

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I'm not? I'm stating facts, and i said earlier, CDP has to answer to these tweets because they are the owner and they control GOG, not CDPR.
I'm not finding justifications, just stop.

You´re trying to somehow argue that they are not related. They have the same owner therefore they are related - facts.

They also share the same transphobia:

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Shame both Valve and CDP cater to the worst of the gaming community. PC gaming is a fucking mess. And so many are complicit, even here, in continuing to defend these shitty fucking companies.
 

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Blanket statements like "Lack of education, diversity, and just simply garbage culture" are hate speech, and I'm personally extremely offended.

Generalizing an entire region as 'garbage culture' doesn't sound like pointing out systemic issues. It's hate speech.

If you want to make this look like an anti-Eastern European thing because of something an Eastern European said, feel free. I have no interest in engaging in a discussion that tries to hijack the topic at hand.
 

Beba

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I want to make absolutely clear that every individual needs to be treated equally and should be 100% free to do en to be what they like as long as they dont harm others and obey the law. Also the law should not interfere with sexuality, gender, race, believe and so on.

But what I absolutely dont understand is the mania something like this tweet creates. Joking doesnt reflect people's true opinion on things in most cases. Of course you can discuss about the taste of it.

About this tweet if look at the facts it uses a trending hashtag used by a movement that want to stand their ground and come up for their rights( I support them in that and it shouldnt even be a discussion) the writer takes this hashtag and uses in his own context and refers to topicality. It says nothing about the opinion on transgenders.

I feel like if you not constantly dead serious on the topics like metoo and now this you are instantly outlawed.

Even if you dont like it there is still also something like freedom of speech and satire.

I live in Holland and we are pretty liberal here so maybe that influence my opinion on this.
 

KelticNight

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Anything non straight is pretty hated in EE. Openly talking about beating other people in public because of their sexual preferences is a "normal" thing.

Lack of education, diversity, and just simply garbage culture all contribute towards that.

If you're going to throw a huge chunk of an entire continent under the bus, maybe you might want to word it nicer?
 

Mechaplum

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I don't get why you would boycot anything. If you want to boycot developers/games etc., you have to boycott every major game publisher. Do you really believe in the AssCreed, Battlefront, CoD, hell even Blizzard developments/marketing/publishing teams (hundreds, sometimes thousand+ people) there aren't like 10-30% assholes?
GoG fucked up to put them on the Twitter handle, sure, but why make everyone (mostly fine people probably) suffer for it. I will never get that mentality.

A customer is never beholden to purchase any product for whatever reason. If I don't feel like buying say, RDR2 because I had bad steaks at a cowboy restaurant last week there is nothing wrong with it. I can boycott a certain stall at a foodcourt because it has green blinking led lights draped over the cashier. Should I spare a thought about the welfare of the kitchen staff in this instance? What about the other 20 odd stalls in the food court? Will I have to wring my hands every time I go to lunch? What?
 

EdibleKnife

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They are not entitled for my money, but I always think about myself and situation like this. Like, if my CEO would spout nonsense like this tweet multiple times, I would hope the CEO gets replaced, not that the whole company goes down and ruins the life of 16.000+ people. And the company going down is pretty much the end-goal of a boycot.

If I have no proof/evidence that a major part of the people working on a game are hateful idiots, I probably would not boycot said game/company. Also boycotting companies is always pretty much colatteral damage, because even Ubisoft could have a team of idiots, then I would boycot/not buy that game and the team/hateful people would naturally be sorted out. But I would not boycot the whole of Ubisoft with thousands of employees, see my example above.
Like I said in my post: My duty is not to pay the checks of the nice guys at GOG and CDPR. My duty is to the trans community worrying about the status of their humanity. If CDPR wants to treat that flippantly and do nothing about it or continue to do so again and again, I will stand by my principles and not purchase their game no matter the team make up. And we aren't talking about a CEO but a social media team that keeps on pulling this same bullshit. The entire company doesn't have to be full of hateful idiots which is why I included the part about being ignorant and bigoted publicly in my post. Whether the entire company is hateful is secondary to the fact that the company publicly puts out hateful and ignorant nonsense targeted toward LGBTQ+ people.
 

Kyuuji

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But what I absolutely dont understand is the mania something like this tweet creates. Joking doesnt reflect people's true opinion on things in most cases. Of course you can discuss about the taste of it.

About this tweet if look at the facts it uses a trending hashtag used by a movement that want to stand their ground and come up for their rights( I support them in that and it shouldnt even be a discussion) the writer takes this hashtag and uses in his own context and refers to topicality. It says nothing about the opinion on transgenders.

I feel like if you not constantly dead serious on the topics like metoo and now this you are instantly outlawed.

Even if you dont like it there is still also something like freedom of speech and satire.
I mean, it moves well beyond that when it becomes a trend of transphobic comments from the same company.
 

SlickShoes

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Oct 27, 2017
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I want to make absolutely clear that every individual needs to be treated equally and should be 100% free to do en to be what they like as long as they dont harm others and obey the law. Also the law should not interfere with sexuality, gender, race, believe and so on.

But what I absolutely dont understand is the mania something like this tweet creates. Joking doesnt reflect people's true opinion on things in most cases. Of course you can discuss about the taste of it.

About this tweet if look at the facts it uses a trending hashtag used by a movement that want to stand their ground and come up for their rights( I support them in that and it shouldnt even be a discussion) the writer takes this hashtag and uses in his own context and refers to topicality. It says nothing about the opinion on transgenders.

I feel like if you not constantly dead serious on the topics like metoo and now this you are instantly outlawed.

Even if you dont like it there is still also something like freedom of speech and satire.

I live in Holland and we are pretty liberal here so maybe that influence my opinion on this.

Freedom of speech doesnt mean you can say whatever you want with no input from other people, obviously lots of people find the tweet offensive because it is. They are well within their own rights to call it out and say it is trash because once again it absolutely is.

Any business should not be co-opting a human rights issue to promote selling their own products, it's deplorable. People want to give it a pass because they like the games the company makes.......
 

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I want to make absolutely clear that every individual needs to be treated equally and should be 100% free to do en to be what they like as long as they dont harm others and obey the law. Also the law should not interfere with sexuality, gender, race, believe and so on.

But what I absolutely dont understand is the mania something like this tweet creates. Joking doesnt reflect people's true opinion on things in most cases. Of course you can discuss about the taste of it.

About this tweet if look at the facts it uses a trending hashtag used by a movement that want to stand their ground and come up for their rights( I support them in that and it shouldnt even be a discussion) the writer takes this hashtag and uses in his own context and refers to topicality. It says nothing about the opinion on transgenders.

I feel like if you not constantly dead serious on the topics like metoo and now this you are instantly outlawed.

Even if you dont like it there is still also something like freedom of speech and satire.

I live in Holland and we are pretty liberal here so maybe that influence my opinion on this.
im not transphobic BUT
 

Eumi

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I want to make absolutely clear that every individual needs to be treated equally and should be 100% free to do en to be what they like as long as they dont harm others and obey the law. Also the law should not interfere with sexuality, gender, race, believe and so on.

But what I absolutely dont understand is the mania something like this tweet creates. Joking doesnt reflect people's true opinion on things in most cases. Of course you can discuss about the taste of it.

About this tweet if look at the facts it uses a trending hashtag used by a movement that want to stand their ground and come up for their rights( I support them in that and it shouldnt even be a discussion) the writer takes this hashtag and uses in his own context and refers to topicality. It says nothing about the opinion on transgenders.

I feel like if you not constantly dead serious on the topics like metoo and now this you are instantly outlawed.

Even if you dont like it there is still also something like freedom of speech and satire.

I live in Holland and we are pretty liberal here so maybe that influence my opinion on this.
Criticising what somebody says is not a violation of freedom of speech for God's sake.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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really?? all of PC gaming? what did valve have to do with any of this?

Nowhere did I state all of PC gaming, nor that Valve had anything to do with this. Consider a course in reading comprehension. I am lamenting the fact that the two biggest names in online game distribution (Steam and GOG) are owned by companies that give fuck all about a population of its users in the quest of profit maximization. They are advocates of a status quo in their refusal to address the rotten, fetid parts of their communities.
 
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