God, at least they know there is an issue there. I thought i was going crazy. Were playing with the new engine, but not the real one :(
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ResetEra Pinball FX3 Monthly Tournament - Oct. (free table)
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God, at least they know there is an issue there. I thought i was going crazy. Were playing with the new engine, but not the real one :(
The physics are good, nothing wrong about it, really make it feel like TPA or even better. The problem is that its not the real physics. If you want to see the difference, go start a single player classic arcade or classic tournament game. Youll see what we mean. The problem here is that in tournaments, we cant set one with the realistic physics from classic single player arcade or tournament. Were stuck at creating tournament with these " lighter " physics, new engine yeah, but not the real one.
They aren't like TPA physics. If you play Fish Tales in TPA you cannot trap the ball coming off the wireform habitrail from the boat ramps, it will bounce over to the other flipper everytime. Like it should, like it does with Zen's new physics in Classic mode.
Unfortunately, the tournament physics are bugged, they're the older and much friendlier physics.
See how our fellow poster plays in his video? You can't do that with the new Zen physics (try, under Single Player > Classic), nor can you do that in TPA or IRL.
Oh wow. That explains why my score in the tournament is way higher than I could ever reach in my singleplayer classic runs. I wasn't even aware that the old Zen physics were even available for the Williams tables in normal mode, good to know for when I feel like playing these tables in a sort of easy mode.
Yeah i know, tried it too, it just for me felt better ( even if not the real physics ) better than TPA. Iv put TPA as a comparison, cause it feel less realistic than the physics from Classic.
And speaking of TPA comparison, damn, i feel personally that its too slow now, compare to the friendlier physics. I feel i got a hard time going back to TPA.
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Lucky 13, baby.
I didn't get a chance to play over the weekend. Caught the Forza bug. I'll probably go a few rounds whenever I take lunch today.
I didn't get a chance to play over the weekend. Caught the Forza bug. I'll probably go a few rounds whenever I take lunch today.
OK, i understand now the physics bug on tourney, but it's the same for everyone, right..? So, no big deal really..
btw, If anyone wants to ''friend me" for some leaderboard chasing on other tables, pls feel free..
Baps (on Steam) - dunno if you can crossplatform leaderboards..
btw, If anyone wants to ''friend me" for some leaderboard chasing on other tables, pls feel free..
Baps (on Steam) - dunno if you can crossplatform leaderboards..
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On the bright side, when the bug gets fixed we can run another tournament with the same table.
Hadn't joined an Era tournament before, gotta get off my butt and join in this time (and torpedo my self esteem).
Need to remember to get on this. If I play on both Switch and PC/Xbox I'll be using plagiarize, so if I show up twice, that'll be why.
Hey you cut me off at 17!
I have had a couple of great starts 50mil first balls. Getting better at fast cast and long cast.
Definitely can tell the physics are letting me get away with things, and hopefully an update will let the ball move more consistently as there have been times when I have done the exact same things 4 in a row and on the 5th time you see the ball erratically move and hit something.
I still love the table though. I finally feel like I understand what I have to do to unlock big plays. Nothing more satisfying than timing the multiball with the rock the boat bonus. Pretty sure I got over 100 mil on one of those. Was mad at myself for losing track of the last ball and not having autocast still lit. Really want to crack top 15/10.
I have had a couple of great starts 50mil first balls. Getting better at fast cast and long cast.
Definitely can tell the physics are letting me get away with things, and hopefully an update will let the ball move more consistently as there have been times when I have done the exact same things 4 in a row and on the 5th time you see the ball erratically move and hit something.
I still love the table though. I finally feel like I understand what I have to do to unlock big plays. Nothing more satisfying than timing the multiball with the rock the boat bonus. Pretty sure I got over 100 mil on one of those. Was mad at myself for losing track of the last ball and not having autocast still lit. Really want to crack top 15/10.
Downloaded Pinball FX 3, twiddled the settings a bit , and jumped right into the tournament. Got 50th after three games, but was surprised at the score inflation. Some thoughts, questions, and gripes:
* Man, the initial load time is insane! It's easily the worst I've seen in a modern video game, hands down. I could have showered in the time it took to start up. Hope it doesn't get so bad every time...
* The HD rumble on this game is excessive and seems pointless, like there's no correlation with the game's behavior. Might just turn it off entirely.
* Is there any way to turn off the score pop ups? They're VERY distracting.
* I think I need to play this in TATE mode, playing horizontally in handheld mode is a challenge to see things.
* I like the physics engine so far, even if it's buggy. At least games don't last 40 minutes like the other Pinball FX games I've played in the past.
* I don't suppose there are any lighting options, are there? I've never been into the "play in a dark room" approach...
Anyway, happy to be on board. Please don't laugh too hard at my aged skills...
* Man, the initial load time is insane! It's easily the worst I've seen in a modern video game, hands down. I could have showered in the time it took to start up. Hope it doesn't get so bad every time...
* The HD rumble on this game is excessive and seems pointless, like there's no correlation with the game's behavior. Might just turn it off entirely.
* Is there any way to turn off the score pop ups? They're VERY distracting.
* I think I need to play this in TATE mode, playing horizontally in handheld mode is a challenge to see things.
* I like the physics engine so far, even if it's buggy. At least games don't last 40 minutes like the other Pinball FX games I've played in the past.
* I don't suppose there are any lighting options, are there? I've never been into the "play in a dark room" approach...
Anyway, happy to be on board. Please don't laugh too hard at my aged skills...
The physics are definitely annoying. I keep losing balls straight down the centre as there is no spin when hitting the trapped ball. In other modes it spins away. I'm struggling to get anywhere near my classic mode scores.
Okay, after sinking more time with Pinball FX 3, I'm liking it more. Turning off the popup scores and playing in TATE mode helps a lot. I also think playing with split joycons makes me appreciate the HD rumble more -- it's really feeling like a physical table now. Even the subsequent load times are a lot shorter.
The only remaining issue for me is getting used to using the left thumbstick to nudge. Not only am I not used to it yet, but there seems to be a quarter-second delay between when I press the stick and when the table moves. Is that normal?
The only remaining issue for me is getting used to using the left thumbstick to nudge. Not only am I not used to it yet, but there seems to be a quarter-second delay between when I press the stick and when the table moves. Is that normal?
Keep in mind that the tournament physics are the old Zen physics due to a bug.
I don't notice input lag.
I tell everyone to turn off those pop-up scores or at least increase the minimum value to something worth getting excited about. Ball trails, too.
Also, if you can make it work with your set up then you gotta play TATE docked, it's awesome. I have a rotating HDMI monitor and it's pretty convenient for me, but a smallish HD TV that isn't mounted can be easily turned on its side and propped again a wall or furniture and it's totally worth the effort if you're sitting down for a long session.
I've actually done it with a 50 inch leaned against a dresser. It's glorious!
This isn't my picture but this is the end result:
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After a lengthy history of lurking, I finally signed up for a resetera account just for this tournament. Growing up, I was almost entirely indifferent to pinball, so I am surprised at how much I've been enjoying TPA and FX3. Even more surprised that I can put together what feels to me like a somewhat decent score, despite having zero control of the table... Really just twitch-skill batting the ball around and then oh hey there's a jackpot, nice.
Anyways, despite all the controversy about the ball physics bug, I'm having a good time in the tourney, thanks for putting it together!
Anyways, despite all the controversy about the ball physics bug, I'm having a good time in the tourney, thanks for putting it together!
Maybe it's just me needing to get used to nudging with the left stick, them (or maybe I'll rebind it). It feels like the nudge isn't instantaneous, and I use it far less as a result.
Turned off all the visual fluff. Just wish I could set each game to start with the fisherman off, but that's a quick dismissal.
And yeah, currently playing tabletop in TATE mode, it's the only way to go. At least until my Flip Grip arrives...
Welcome to ERA and to the tournament!
Was mostly like you, was never into pinball when i was younger, played a bit of Terminator 2, which was my favorite pinball machine in the past. Digital pinball got me really in, and also kinda ´new' to digital pinball. I keep learning, like this Fish Tales table, it was really not one of my favorite, but this tournament makes me get better to understand it and play it.
Dont forget, there is the official ERA pinball thread, discusing real and digital pinball.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-pinball-digital-and-physical-era-ot-full-tilt.18181/
Welcome!
Next step: go find and play some real pinball and discover all that you've been missing.
Ball control comes with time and you'll eventually learn the ins and outs of each table and the flow of the game. Nobody is good at pinball when they start out, no one has any idea what they are doing. It's not an intuitive game and the learning curve is steep as hell, but god damn it there's nothing more satisfying to improve at.
Pinball has a very high skill ceiling. You're ability to appreciate the game grows as you climb higher and the game opens up more and more.
I dunno if you play fighting games but it's similar to that. At first it may just seem like button mashing and by the end you're seeing the code in The Matrix.
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Easy for you to say. I feel like a guy who just accidentally killed Batman and the Joker just found out...
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I can't seem to improve on my posted score. Haven't gotten past 150 million since. My games are also shorter than most other tables, since I usually have at least one ball go down the drain within a few seconds of launching it.
Difficult table. That gape feels huge.
Difficult table. That gape feels huge.
That's real pinball for you; I always felt the flipper gap in Pinball FX's own tables to be laughably narrow by comparison.
Fish Tales isn't too bad, the biggest risk of a SDTM drain is trying to hit the captive ball on the boat.
Finally got a better score, up to my customary 4th place in these tournaments. Feel free to call it early! :P
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Yeah, I'm a casual pinball fan so I like the small gap. I like feeling like I'm awesome at pinball, but I have a pinball place not far from the office and I know real tables are a different beast.
Can we adjust table tilt settings and nitty gritty stuff like that for tournaments?
No; the whole point of a tournament is that everyone plays with the same settings for consistency. Some pins even have a "tournament mode" where randomized elements are turned off (they use a fixed pattern) to further reduce the differences.
Great job everybody!Final leaderboard
Hopefully Zen fixes the bug before the next one.
Great work to all! Thanks to HotHamBoy for organizing and one day I might get in the single digits... :)
The bug is that tournaments are using the old physics no matter what you set it up as.
The new physics made for the Williams tables can only be experienced in Single Player: Classic Mode.
Idk if they already patched it but it wouldn't affect existing tournaments if they did. We've been playing with the wrong physics for this tournament.
I think we will do Medieval Madness in November, The Getaway in December and then see if another Williams pack has released before deciding if we do Fish Tales again with the right physics in January.
I think we will skip Junkyard. I think most people would agree that it's a slog to play.
Even if you add both my scores together, I'm way off the top score. Fish Tales is not a table I'm good at it seems. What's next?
ResterERA + Pinball FX3
Halloween 2018 Tournament
"The Walking Dead Flip"
October 21 - 31, 2018
LISTED TOURNAMENT NAME: Hot Ham
TABLE: The Walking Dead ($2.99 single table pack)
PASSWORD: jackpot
(Only need to enter once)
MODE: Classic
EXTRA BALLS: No
LENGTH: 10 Days
ATTEMPTS: Unlimited
PRIZE: Glory
PLATFORMS: Switch, XBOX One, Steam
(Playstation and Mobile excluded due to cross-play limitations. Please stand by for more regarding these platforms)
A Nintendo Switch Online subscription is not required.
Tournament is LIVE
Happy Halloween, Pinheads!
Halloween 2018 Tournament
"The Walking Dead Flip"
October 21 - 31, 2018
LISTED TOURNAMENT NAME: Hot Ham
TABLE: The Walking Dead ($2.99 single table pack)
PASSWORD: jackpot
(Only need to enter once)
MODE: Classic
EXTRA BALLS: No
LENGTH: 10 Days
ATTEMPTS: Unlimited
PRIZE: Glory
PLATFORMS: Switch, XBOX One, Steam
(Playstation and Mobile excluded due to cross-play limitations. Please stand by for more regarding these platforms)
A Nintendo Switch Online subscription is not required.
Tournament is LIVE
Happy Halloween, Pinheads!
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Thanks for the info hot ham! I can't wait. And thanks for putting this together.
I should sub to the main pin board as well as I'm about to start my own physical collection of pins.
