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Doctor Who Series 11 |OT|- She’s Here, and It’s About Time
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Good episode
I thought the villain was going to say "Make America great again" as his only motivation.
I thought the villain was going to say "Make America great again" as his only motivation.
Minus the first 5-10 minutes that I missed, I thought it was a pretty good episode. Much better than last week, well except for that terrible pop song. Curious about next week!
Theoretically they can just pick him up in the other time, unless he's accidentally killed.
didn't require a pop song blaring RISE UUUPPPP either though,
"As far back in time as possible" probably left him in the vacuum of space. Doubt he's still alive.
I mean my complaints about this season still exist, that it lacks the whimsy, but an episode like this it would have stood out like a sore thumb. This was a great episode and covered it well and without really holding back which surprised me. I was concerned when I learned of this episode's premise.
The doctor makes an exception for time travelling Trump supporters.
Strictly speaking it's "too on the nose", but it's not uncommon to drop the 'too'. It's when some dialogue hits a point *so* precisely that it slightly misses feeling naturalistic.
Ryan zapped the villain away and the Doctor didn't care because he was literally a space nazi from the future. Who cares where he ended up. Hopefully he died in the vacuum of space.
I hope we see that prison sometime though. That could make an interesting episode,
I hope we see that prison sometime though. That could make an interesting episode,
Yeah, I love that one example is clearly a criticism of the excellent montage near the start of Watch Men. One of my kids dragged me to see that film, and by the end of the montage I knew exactly how this version of history was different from ours. The film is Oscar-worthy for that scene alone.
We've seen glimpses of it in a few season 5/6 episodes. It's where River was locked up.
Got to say I really didn't like that episode. I hated the fact that the doctor stood by why everyone could say and do anything they wanted to Yas and Ryan. The villain was underdeveloped and I didn't get he was just a massive racist. I felt like he should haven't given more of a hint to it when the doctor confronted him one on one. I know why they needed to but the usual doctor who rule is you don't interact with important points in history and inevitably they get thrown into it. In this episode they involved way too much without explanation.
Also. I'm really worrying about how little of this doctor specific characteristics are getting developed due to the team dynamic. Due the writers having to give them 3 stuff to do and push the story forward, I feel like it makes this doctor less capable.
It was well directed though and you can see money has been spent on this series.
I did find the music over bearing at times and that song took me out of the moment with Rosa. I always find stuff like that is put in to slap you with an emotional moment. They should just let the actors so that.
I'm getting very worried about this series now
Also. I'm really worrying about how little of this doctor specific characteristics are getting developed due to the team dynamic. Due the writers having to give them 3 stuff to do and push the story forward, I feel like it makes this doctor less capable.
It was well directed though and you can see money has been spent on this series.
I did find the music over bearing at times and that song took me out of the moment with Rosa. I always find stuff like that is put in to slap you with an emotional moment. They should just let the actors so that.
I'm getting very worried about this series now
Oh! I totally missed that reference. I forgot about River being there.
I love reading all the comments you're posting. I'll watch the episode with my wife when she gets back home in an hour or so. Looking forward to it!
Wouldn't the weapon still have the time/location where he send him to? They could just pick him up right there the instant he arrived with the Tardis. Now that is theoretically, practically I doubt they'll actually do so.
Meh, a heavy handed episode about racism but just feels so clunky and as a south Asian I wasn't exactly trilled by them referring Yaz as a Mexican. I also feels that this episode would have been much better without the alien bad guy.
I am also getting sick of the doctor going "Oh I am a woman." I was hoping that this would be done and over in the first episode and not still around in the third episode. ¬_¬;
It's like they need to remind the viewers that the Doctor is a woman rather than develop her as a character which so far is bland.
I am also getting sick of the doctor going "Oh I am a woman." I was hoping that this would be done and over in the first episode and not still around in the third episode. ¬_¬;
It's like they need to remind the viewers that the Doctor is a woman rather than develop her as a character which so far is bland.
Just to bring everyone down to earth, the Doctor has had TWO lines so far referencing her gender.
Yeah, I was about to say the same. It's been referenced far less than I expected.
Honestly I'd be fine with it if they actually made a bigger deal of the Doctor now being female, it would make her Doctor less bland and generic.
Her "come to daddy - I mean mummy" line was the one thing I've found funny in the first two episodes.
Deep Breath was basically all about the Twelfth Doctor changing and becoming old.
Her "come to daddy - I mean mummy" line was the one thing I've found funny in the first two episodes.
Deep Breath was basically all about the Twelfth Doctor changing and becoming old.
This is a thing? I mean, yeah, she expresses quite understandable surprise in her first couple of scenes ("half an hour ago I was a white-haired Scotsman") but I haven't noticed any specific references to gender since that.
It's barely been mentioned, what the hell are you talking about?
Next episode is set in modern day Sheffield right? I hope Yasmin plays a bigger role in that, because so far she feels a little less fleshed out than the other main characters.
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They were ignorant racist American idiots from the 50's. Yas even mentioned that there aren't any people of Pakistani origin around at that time.
They saw "brown" but not black and assumed she was mexican
Her family is going to be in it so she should get more of a central role.
Anyone else hoping that Yaz,Graham and Ryan don't leave in the series finale. I still feel that a second season involving them would work better than having new companions every season mind you i don't want them to outstay their welcome like Clara did
Here's something you may not know
Rosa Parks Android is Real
Here's something you may not know
Rosa Parks Android is Real
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That was real good. And as someone going in with the most trepidation it is possible to have about a DW episode beforehand, it feels good to say that.
And, most importantly, I feel like I finally 'get' this version of the show. More than even RTD, this era is waaaay more about character than plot. Which works for historicals, particularly one as sensitive as this, because too much plot just immediately undermines the character you're celebrating. Put this up against Shakespeare Code (particularly given how that episode chose to handle racism) and it's just night and day.
The characters gelled in a way they haven't for me yet. Jodie had lines that felt explicitly written for her rather than cribbed from some generic book of Doctor quotes (as silly as it is, I loved the Banksy stuff and the look she gives Graham when he puts his arm round her). And crucially they didn't muck about with Rosa Parks. I was literally begging the episode not to have Ryan suggest Rosa make a stand, or have Graham be the bus driver. I love that when the pivotal scene starts, the characters feel like they just happen to be in the moment rather than a part of it. Crucial difference.
The episode isn't perfect though. The ending song very nearly undermines the whole scene. The villain is completely useless and toothless to the point that Ryan zaps him back to certain death and no one even reacts, the villain included. And I feel the episode falls a bit too hard on being educational at times at the expense of saying something new. As in, it would much rather educate you about who Rosa Parks was rather than comment on the nature of racism or the morality of the situation. Which is fine, I guess, I just could've done with a bit more. Also, even to my British ears some of those accents were rough.
But it's easily up there with Vincent and the Doctor for best celebrity historical. And I'm so glad to feel comfortable with this new era finally.
And, most importantly, I feel like I finally 'get' this version of the show. More than even RTD, this era is waaaay more about character than plot. Which works for historicals, particularly one as sensitive as this, because too much plot just immediately undermines the character you're celebrating. Put this up against Shakespeare Code (particularly given how that episode chose to handle racism) and it's just night and day.
The characters gelled in a way they haven't for me yet. Jodie had lines that felt explicitly written for her rather than cribbed from some generic book of Doctor quotes (as silly as it is, I loved the Banksy stuff and the look she gives Graham when he puts his arm round her). And crucially they didn't muck about with Rosa Parks. I was literally begging the episode not to have Ryan suggest Rosa make a stand, or have Graham be the bus driver. I love that when the pivotal scene starts, the characters feel like they just happen to be in the moment rather than a part of it. Crucial difference.
The episode isn't perfect though. The ending song very nearly undermines the whole scene. The villain is completely useless and toothless to the point that Ryan zaps him back to certain death and no one even reacts, the villain included. And I feel the episode falls a bit too hard on being educational at times at the expense of saying something new. As in, it would much rather educate you about who Rosa Parks was rather than comment on the nature of racism or the morality of the situation. Which is fine, I guess, I just could've done with a bit more. Also, even to my British ears some of those accents were rough.
But it's easily up there with Vincent and the Doctor for best celebrity historical. And I'm so glad to feel comfortable with this new era finally.
For once the score this season actually stood out somewhat. It was a better episode than the last two, too.
Yeah, I really disliked the pop song at the end but the actual score was quite nice in this one.
That villain is 100% coming back. Ryan didn't send him to the dawn of time, he sent him back as far as the gadget allowed. He's probably still up to no good.
I'd put each of the episodes this series in the bottom half of NuWho.
Just doesn't hold the attention and is far too ponderous. Sadly, 13 lacks a pronounced personality so far.
Just doesn't hold the attention and is far too ponderous. Sadly, 13 lacks a pronounced personality so far.
I wonder, since they are going back to Sheffield next episode i wonder what's going to make them decided to stay on as the Doctor's companions
I've only watched the Cipaldi iteration so I'm just wondering how typical an episode like this one is, considering it's a time travel show.
The "Celebrity Historical" isn't terribly uncommon, although I don't recall Capaldi having many. One-a-series was usually the case.
While historical events are touched upon, I don't recall any episode in new Who being quite like this... Involved? Not sure if that's the right wordl. Closest I can think of is the Pompeii episode with Tennant.
Got this email from the BBC survey folks.
Note: That's about as many as watched Tens last episode.
Note: That's about as many as watched Tens last episode.
It's funny because it reminded me of that show Timeless that aired for a couple of seasons, which very much played off the fact that one of the cast members was Black and had to deal constantly with the fact that he was out of place whenever they want back into the past.
Smith had the 'A-tier' Vincent and the Doctor. I wept at the end of that one.
There are very few all out historicals.
I guess I meant in terms of the character's identities being an important part of the story.
I suppose previously it was a lot of female companions, so I assume they've done suffragette episodes before (as the obvious choice)?
Question out of curiosity - as the Doctor ever gone to World War 2 Germany outside of Let's Kill Hitler or Auchwitz?
Yep. Smiths third story was a world war 2 episode with Churchill and the Victory of the Daleks.
9th Doctor has a run in with Charles Dickins
10 had a connection with Madame de Pompadour
12 met... Robin Hood?