Why would a single country overturn centuries of racism? How would it stop fox news or racists from littering the Internet and tv? Like, it would be "one of the good ones" but as a country.
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Would things be better for black people( worldwide) if we had an African great power?
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Short answer is nope. Even if there was an African super power not much world change for black people around the world. Africa as it is is very divided and those divisions alone can't be solved with money
Oh I got you. Like the somber feeling of losing the space race and Cold War is gone, but the somberness of being poor as shit is still there.
I think overall they would have been much better off with moderate leadership. Russia itself isn't a poor country, has plenty of natural resources, and some very smart people.
Somewhat I imagine. It would take even more mental gymnastics to call black people "inferior" at least.
No offense to russia but in it's current state it would have as much power as Iran if it didn't have nukes. Their social and economic power is nothing compared to China or western powers.
Interesting. I will have to read more—I always kind of figured they were somewhere in the top 5, but I won't get any more off topic.
My guess is probably yes, if only because a big part of racism is judging a person by what their country of origin does or did. But it is a weird thing to ask about, since its not as if racism is any less vile or justified in the slightest just because this powerful nation doesn't exist.
Assuming it's an African great power that has existed since before European colonialism than I think it would have a profound impact.
Despite humans naturally having some form of xenophobia to those outside of their tribe so to speak I don't think humans are inherently racist. White supremacy exists for many reasons but it's origins lie in how primitive non-European countries were. Especially in sub-Saharan Africa where thanks to geography was filled with hunter-gather tribes instead of more organised states in north Africa. If there was a great African power that had the ability to contest with European powers, African people would probably be thought of a lot better. It would also have a tremendous impact on history. Would slavery be a big thing in western countries if a great African power could have blocked slavery or would that country take part in the slavery too? Despite being Africans not all African people see each other as equal and it's sadly quite possible that a great power in Africa would just take advantage of those outside of it's realm. This could end up leading us to see Africans as two distinct groups of people. Those from the great power that people would respect more over those from slavery.
Despite humans naturally having some form of xenophobia to those outside of their tribe so to speak I don't think humans are inherently racist. White supremacy exists for many reasons but it's origins lie in how primitive non-European countries were. Especially in sub-Saharan Africa where thanks to geography was filled with hunter-gather tribes instead of more organised states in north Africa. If there was a great African power that had the ability to contest with European powers, African people would probably be thought of a lot better. It would also have a tremendous impact on history. Would slavery be a big thing in western countries if a great African power could have blocked slavery or would that country take part in the slavery too? Despite being Africans not all African people see each other as equal and it's sadly quite possible that a great power in Africa would just take advantage of those outside of it's realm. This could end up leading us to see Africans as two distinct groups of people. Those from the great power that people would respect more over those from slavery.
Many blacks believe we were all brought here on slave ships.
Top 5 Militarily, yes.
Economically, they're barely treading over Italy.
Putin made the mistake of not using the period of 2000-2008 to really diversify the Russian economy.
The people saying no aren't really contemplating the possibilities of an active and, well lets be honest because the only thing America truly has is its threat of force to back up its enormous wealth, a fearsome black superpower. Of course things would improve. You have a global background radiation of socially educated racists with the understanding that African peoples all live in mudhuts and never excelled past a certain level. So yes, it would make a difference if at least in that.
And China. We see a China as a massive country but Han Chinese came from a small part of that continent and conquered all the surrounding groups which they saw as barbarians. History has shown us that shared heritage is irrelevant sadly.
There was nothing he could really do about it. The entire Russian government is based upon economic plunder of its citizens by the upper echelons of power. How does a state that's entire basis for functioning is the abject and systematic theft of its people properly stimulate certain sectors of its economy through spending? It's all just going to go back in some keptocrat's pocket anyways.
I mean we're about to have a movie where a black advanced superpower is going to be front and center........... And we're gonna get a shitton of people saying how unrealistic that is despite being in the same franchise as a guy who turns into a green monster and another guy who wears a robot suit.
To clarify, I think yes because it would give black people around the world somewhere to have unlimited opportunity, but lets not fool ourselves that this country would not be attacked with propaganda from outside sources.
To clarify, I think yes because it would give black people around the world somewhere to have unlimited opportunity, but lets not fool ourselves that this country would not be attacked with propaganda from outside sources.
Ethiopia had a pretty good empire going until commies got to it.
Many aren't. That's why this topic is even here. Get it?
It's not that african countries didn't develop quickly enough plenty did the issue is the ongoing persistent problem of corruption from the top destroying any progress made by an African nation. None of the most successful managed to evade it which how we ended up in the current situation.
For example just 50-60 years ago the Nigerian Naira was stronger than of pound with great economic potential.
Corrupt politicians and military leaders that stole hundreds of billions saw to that. You'll notice a similar story in several African nations.
It certainly has an impact. I think it was idris elba who said his treatment in the states was radically different based on whether or not he used his native accent or not.
Look, man, if you've got something to add to the thread, spit it out.
I meant in the 15th and 16th centuries but yes I agree 100%.
Please elaborate on what you're so adamant about here. As a non-US idk what you're talking about.
That's, actually what happened to the African continent basically.
The majority of "blacks" are living in a world view constructed by the "white" man. We weren't all brought to America during the slave trade. The moors had come to South America long before that and over time the mixing and mingling of those people came upward and "Black" blood was already here within the indigenous people. The entire slave trade story is BS. There were already people here who knew how to work the land. Why the hell would there have been a need to bring people over on boats to do what was already being done? It's a cover up. Just as years of painting blacks in a negative light is a cover up. "Blacks" were some of the most rich and powerful people in past history. We've been brainwashed as a people and our history has been whitewashed.
Black blood in native americans? Are you talking about negritos? Didn't know about the Moors coming to South America that's pretty cool. I think most of the ancestors of black people in the Americas is from slave trade though, right? Obviously it's not all but it's most, right?
Nope, if you're talking about racism. External forces are pretty terrible at removing racial and social antagonisms; Europe can't do shit about America's problems with racism, and likewise it's not like we could make them be nice to the Roma.
If you're talking about absolute numbers of black people living a higher standard of living? Depending on how large a power you're talking (a single country? Some sort of Pan-African confederation or amalgam?) it's possible, I suppose.
But Africa itself is immensely divided with massively disparate people and cultures. I don't see any real evidence that in an environment where subjugation of blacks and the transatlantic slave trade and/or the scramble for Africa wasn't a thing, there would be any racial identity to even try and establish solidarity with.
If you're talking about absolute numbers of black people living a higher standard of living? Depending on how large a power you're talking (a single country? Some sort of Pan-African confederation or amalgam?) it's possible, I suppose.
But Africa itself is immensely divided with massively disparate people and cultures. I don't see any real evidence that in an environment where subjugation of blacks and the transatlantic slave trade and/or the scramble for Africa wasn't a thing, there would be any racial identity to even try and establish solidarity with.
Precisely. Ethiopia, even as just a regional power, already did this. They actually cooperated with the Europeans as well.
Ethiopia did not have a good empire. They had a horrific famine shortly before the communist revolution and the population was not happy. The Somalis tried to secede and actually did until tens of thousands of decked out Russians and Cubans flew in to save the day. There was also the 30 year war with the Eritreans who also wanted nothing to do with the imperialist Ethiopia.
The connection with the moors is through the Olmec. It goes even deeper. Many of the Jews in the Bible were black. The book of Hebrews? Blacks. Queen Esther? Black. King Solomon? Black? Christ? Didn't look like all those stupid paintings in the Catholic Church. There's a place in Israel called Dimona where the true Jews have been given land. The only reason blacks aren't called Jews is because Christ did away with all that. There shouldn't even be Jews anymore. He made everyone equal.
It could make things worse. The general standard of politicians in Africa is terrible. It wouldn't be fair for black people worldwide to be judged because of African leaders like Zuma, or Mugabe. Too an extent this already happens, ask a Nigerian how they feel about constantly being associated with fraud and scamming.
Someone mentioned Israel earlier - I think that there is undoubtedly more antisemitism worldwide because Israel exists. A lot of modern antisemitism comes from the Arab/Israel beef. Jews were reasonably well integrated in the Arab world before the establishment of Israel, nowadays there is a lot of antisemitic sentiment within the Arab community (and within the Muslim communities in Europe). Similarly there is anti-antisemitism on the left, which all stems from people judging all Jews for Israels actions.
Similarly a corrupt/ badly run African state reaching the status of a global power, could unfairly tarnish how people perceive people of African descent.
Therefore to be of benefit - rather than just being a "power" it would need to be a "good" state, that is respected for how it is run, and the values it promotes.
Someone mentioned Israel earlier - I think that there is undoubtedly more antisemitism worldwide because Israel exists. A lot of modern antisemitism comes from the Arab/Israel beef. Jews were reasonably well integrated in the Arab world before the establishment of Israel, nowadays there is a lot of antisemitic sentiment within the Arab community (and within the Muslim communities in Europe). Similarly there is anti-antisemitism on the left, which all stems from people judging all Jews for Israels actions.
Similarly a corrupt/ badly run African state reaching the status of a global power, could unfairly tarnish how people perceive people of African descent.
Therefore to be of benefit - rather than just being a "power" it would need to be a "good" state, that is respected for how it is run, and the values it promotes.
Mate, be honest here—are you having a laugh? This is absurd.
That would depend on how that nation would have become a great power.
If it was before or at the beginning of the colonisation period, then the effects would have been enormous. I'd quite like to read some alt-history where europeans couldn't colonize.
If it was after WW2, it would probably not amount to much.
If it was before or at the beginning of the colonisation period, then the effects would have been enormous. I'd quite like to read some alt-history where europeans couldn't colonize.
If it was after WW2, it would probably not amount to much.
So, what do you think of the term "american" to deisgnate citizens of the USA?
Haiti could have been a prosperous nation if the US and Europe hadn't strangled it in the crib.
This is where we are born and where we live sure. Doesn't erase history.
Warning: Derailing the thread with unsourced assertions that challenge known fact.
It's only absurd if you believe and stick to your false teachings. None of what I said is false. Research yourself.
DonutHole, nothing you have said is real. It's all Hotep level dumbshit spread without any critical thinking or evidenced based work done. Stupid shit like that devalues that the actual interesting long history of the continent and the many people that lived within it.
I've done my share of research. What you're saying is preposterous and stupid, and I assume you're trolling because you'll destroy the thread with it. But sure, all the educated peoples of the world are wrong and you are right. I like to play make-believe too, but not like this.
Here is a good AskHistorians thread on reddit where someone asked the question about Moors in America. They provide real information about expeditions that Abu Bakr II attempted to send.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistori...at_moors_reached_the/?st=JAH7KW44&sh=41432c7b
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistori...at_moors_reached_the/?st=JAH7KW44&sh=41432c7b
I mean the whole reason Africa doesn't even halve a power country on the continent yet is because of external factors trying to screw up everything going on their to prevent it.
I mean a good chunk of the countries aren't even "sovereign" and almost every time someone starts trying to build a modern power state the "UN" or "South africa" comes in because of some dumb crap, or they'll screw over one side in one country causing that side to fight the other side, and the cycle continues.
If a country does put a foot on the floor the "UN" or "SALC" will say "IF YOU DON'T DO <Insert nonsense not relevant to building a country and erasing poverty here> Then we will cut your funding/penalize/attack/not send aid/reduce aid/screw with your currency/change your government for democracy"
So if there WAS a powerful african country you know that everyone would be spying on them and hate them to the highest heavens. In the modern age they wouldn't be able to stock on arms either.
I mean a good chunk of the countries aren't even "sovereign" and almost every time someone starts trying to build a modern power state the "UN" or "South africa" comes in because of some dumb crap, or they'll screw over one side in one country causing that side to fight the other side, and the cycle continues.
If a country does put a foot on the floor the "UN" or "SALC" will say "IF YOU DON'T DO <Insert nonsense not relevant to building a country and erasing poverty here> Then we will cut your funding/penalize/attack/not send aid/reduce aid/screw with your currency/change your government for democracy"
So if there WAS a powerful african country you know that everyone would be spying on them and hate them to the highest heavens. In the modern age they wouldn't be able to stock on arms either.