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Vanillalite

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Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/you-wa...-awkward-etiquette-of-ipad-tipping-1539790018

Consumers face that disconcerting ritual at bakeries, coffee shops, food trucks and other businesses that use tablet credit-card readers such as Square. The devices often ask customers to make tipping decisions on the fly—with the person who just served them looking on, along with everyone else waiting in line.

There is no obligation to tip counter help, according to the Emily Post Institute, unlike sit-down service by a waiter, where 15% or 20% of the pretax bill is expected. The institute, a Vermont-based authority on manners, recommends occasional counter tipping if, for instance, a customer is a regular or receives notably good service.

Tip jars have long sat on counters, but consumers have all sorts of viable excuses for avoiding them or tossing in just a few coins, such as not having the right change, according to Michael Lynn, a professor and tipping expert at Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration. Not so, he says, with the electronic tip prompts that explicitly require consumers to opt out of gratuities. "You can't even pretend like you forgot," he says. "It clearly ups the social pressure to tip."

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signal

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Oct 28, 2017
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"You can't even pretend like you forgot," he says. "It clearly ups the social pressure to tip."

lol usa
 

Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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Unless I am frequenting an over the counter establishment once a week or more I just ignore this and opt out, barring truly exemplary service.
 

entremet

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Oct 26, 2017
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I hate these things. I have no sales resistance so I always tip.
 

Tobor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Richmond, VA
It is hilarious how the "no tip" button is always smaller and at the bottom of the screen. I always manage to find it though!
 

-PXG-

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pressure? The fuck are they gonna do? Chase you out with a belt or shoe in hand, ready to whoop your ass?
 

Deleted member 9838

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Oct 26, 2017
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Barista tipping is a thing now for sure. You're definitely expected to throw in a dollar minimum for each order.
 

Dennis8K

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Oct 25, 2017
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I look them in the eye as I press the No Tip button, a sly smile on my face, "I am European, I assume your boss pays you a living wage already"
 

$10 Bagel

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've never tipped off of one of these things, because it's always being used by something that isn't tip-worthy anyway.

My barber gets a tip, just because you walked 3 feet over and got me a hamburger doesn't mean you get $5.
 

Menelaus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The sheer amount of tipping threads on Era show that lots of y'all Americans feel the need to tip and tip well, lest they'd upset someone.
Us Americans have a hard time making a living wage for the large amount of service jobs, we have shit insurance, and we fall back on this soft socialism to lift up our retail workers because we realize they're getting fucked hard and there's nothing much they can do about it.

If a salaried worker can't empathize with an hourly retail working busting their ass for pennies to their dollars, then they're an asshole.
 

subpar spatula

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Oct 26, 2017
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The pressure to tip is immense. You get the side eye from the worker, your friends call you an asshole, and restaurant owners fight tooth and nail against a minimum wage increase to perpetuate this cycle of the customer having to fund the worker's life.

I don't tip take-out or counter people. Bartender wants to grab a glass and put some beer in it? You get a thank you. Tipping is such a shitty system.
 

moblin

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Emily Post Institute's recommendation is right, there's no way you tip at the counter. I don't know that there's necessarily more social pressure, as when counter service places have printed receipts they often have a "TIP" line that you can ignore.

Plus most cashiers don't actually care, they just want you to do what you need to do and leave. Most places I frequent with iPads even just turn it around for you to finish your business and walk away.
 

nasirum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also, I think I'm going to make it a point to stop patronage to places that have these shits.

Pay your workers living wages you greedy cunts.
 

Aiii

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Oct 24, 2017
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Us Americans have a hard time making a living wage for the large amount of service jobs, we have shit insurance, and we fall back on this soft socialism to lift up our retail workers because we realize they're getting fucked hard and there's nothing much they can do about it.

If a salaried worker can't empathize with an hourly retail working busting their ass for pennies to their dollars, then they're an asshole.
And there's your social pressure, indeed.
 

Hellsing321

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Oct 30, 2017
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The coffee shop I go to before work has this and it makes me laugh every time. I order a brew coffee and all they do is hand me a cup and I go to the machine and pour it myself. I ain't tipping for that!
 

b-dubs

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Oct 25, 2017
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The sheer amount of tipping threads on Era show that lots of y'all Americans feel the need to tip and tip well, lest they'd upset someone.
A lot of the people working these jobs don't make any real money unless they get tipped.
 

Tobor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Barista tipping is a thing now for sure. You're definitely expected to throw in a dollar minimum for each order.

Lol. Expected by who? The barista tipping commission?

The pressure to tip is immense. You get the side eye from the worker, your friends call you an asshole, and restaurant owners fight tooth and nail against a minimum wage increase to perpetuate this cycle of the customer having to fund the worker's life.

I don't tip take-out or counter people. Bartender wants to grab a glass and put some beer in it? You get a thank you. Tipping is such a shitty system.

What pressure? There is zero pressure. Obviously the UI designers at Square have done their jobs well. They've created the perception of pressure to tip where it doesn't exist.
 

BrutalInsane

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Nov 2, 2017
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I usually throw a dollar to my everyday breakfast place. I then get a free coffee refill around lunch. It's mutually beneficial.
 

reKon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wish I would just be charged more you fucks. I don't want to have to make this decision everytime
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The worst example of this I've seen was that I went to a self-serve frozen yogurt shop (Cuppa Yo) and served my own damn ice cream. The only thing the staff did was weigh my food on the scale and charge my credit card, and they still have this ENTER TIP touchscreen prompt.
 

hurlex

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Oct 25, 2017
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My issue with this is if the money is going to the employees or if it is just going to the owner's profits.
 

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Lol. Expected by who? The barista tipping commission?

The same forces that expect a tip for going to a sit down restaurant, barber, salon, food delivery, etc.

It's not so prominent in Starbucks or counter places that don't make tipping a thing but at more local places it is especially in NYC.

Some shops have a receipt when you pay with card to sign that has a area for a tip or a big tip jar that they then break your money into small bills for.
 

Kernel

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Oct 25, 2017
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"You can't even pretend like you forgot," he says. "It clearly ups the social pressure to tip."

lol usa

The debit machines in Canada force you to tip as well. Even for takeout.

You have to enter 0 to opt out. For some of them I found out you have to hit cancel. It's not stated anywhere.
 

Robin

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Oct 25, 2017
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The pressure to tip is immense. You get the side eye from the worker, your friends call you an asshole, and restaurant owners fight tooth and nail against a minimum wage increase to perpetuate this cycle of the customer having to fund the worker's life.

I don't tip take-out or counter people. Bartender wants to grab a glass and put some beer in it? You get a thank you. Tipping is such a shitty system.

See, take-out I completely agree, you don't tip. But a bartender? You have to tip the Bartender, it's a service job. dollar a drink minimum.
 

jb1234

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, this has definitely become a thing (at least in Seattle) in the last few years. I never knew quite how to respond to it so I'm glad to see I can just hit "no tip" without guilt.
 

ABK281

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Apr 5, 2018
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Doesn't matter to me, I'd look them directly in the eyes while pressing the no tip button.
 

Tobor

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Oct 25, 2017
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The same forces that expect a tip for going to a sit down restaurant, barber, salon, food delivery, etc.

It's not so prominent in Starbucks or counter places that don't make tipping a thing but at more local places it is especially in NYC.

Some shops have a receipt when you pay with card to sign that has a area for a tip or a big tip jar that they then break your money into small bills for.

I'm still not seeing where there's an expectation. What's happened is options to make tipping available have been created and you are assuming an expectation.

You aren't alone, apparently. Haha.
 

Cordy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shit, I honestly never knew some people had pressure to tip until I read all the numerous tipping threads on this forum. Sure, I get a lot of people who aren't American don't get tipping and all that (and a lot don't understand why we tip) but I don't know many who are pressured by it or at least in my area. You either do or you don't. I tip because I know they're in a shitty system and I personally wanna help them out. If I don't got the money to tip, I don't do it. If I do? I do it. I don't think about it anymore.

Either way I find more people are confused about why you tip certain situations and whatnot.

Somebody was asking about tipping a Best Buy employee. The hell lmao.
 

Ponn

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Us Americans have a hard time making a living wage for the large amount of service jobs, we have shit insurance, and we fall back on this soft socialism to lift up our retail workers because we realize they're getting fucked hard and there's nothing much they can do about it.

If a salaried worker can't empathize with an hourly retail working busting their ass for pennies to their dollars, then they're an asshole.

Tipping in US is a mess. That Barista in Starbucks is probably making the same or close to same as a GameStop employee or Walmart cashier or deli worker in a grocery store yet you don't think to tip any of them. It's a bit arbitrary who gets tipped beyond waiters who actually depend on tips because their pay is adjusted for it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Some systems have the dark pattern of making "no tip" grey. If I have to, I'll manually add zero. I'm holding the fucking line on this racist system.
 

subpar spatula

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Oct 26, 2017
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See, take-out I completely agree, you don't tip. But a bartender? You have to tip the Bartender, it's a service job. dollar a drink minimum.
Naw, that's just a scam. Pouring a beer is literally their job. It is so braindead. You literally grab a glass, tilt, pour, and hand over. You are tipping them for paying for overpriced beer. A shot? Almost as simple: grab shot glass, grab liquor, pour. You could go for something like a Burt Reynolds but it's 1 extra step. A dollar a drink is such a scam.
 

Dali

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Oct 27, 2017
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People that just stand at the counter and hand me a coffee or my food can eat a dick if they expect a tip for that. I dont forget the beggars jar. I just straight ignore it.
 

angelgrievous

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Nov 8, 2017
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I never realized tipping was such a controversial thing until Era. I've worked for tips, always appreciated them when I got them.
 

Chuck

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Oct 25, 2017
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god forbid a regular person having to deal with the horrible and crushing pressure of maybe giving a miserable food service worker a few extra pennies.