Oh yeah sure, let them send missiles directed on our country and let's sit there and watch them bomb us yeah? The whole thing is bigger than KSA vs Yemen. It's KSA vs Iran+Yemen. Go educate yourself atleast in this matter please
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Saudi press: Khashoggi died in "fight"
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User Banned (3 Months): Inflammatory whataboutism and handwaving violence over a series of posts
And the US are the angels that haven't done shit right?
That doesn't change the fact that the government is killing children and bombing mosques and hospitals, it's you who needs to be educated on this matter.
don't want to play your stupid whataboutism game.
But it would be better for our conscience as a nation to wash our hands of the Saudis.
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Whataboutism game? Please. The whole world knows how fucked up the US. So don't turn this around and act like if the US haven't done anything. Fair enough, let's see the US washing their hand off Saudi. I'll be waiting
This is huge in that the king himself intervened to reprimand MBS and his handpicked security personnel. MBS stepped over line so hard on this one that the King who was living inside a bubble had his advisor say "fuck it" and tell him to put a leash on his son.
It will be very interesting to watch how the King punishes MBS over this, he's already stopped him from publicly listing Aramco, maybe he'll take away some more of his toys now.
I love seeing the KSA royal family tearing itself apart.
But realistically speaking, unless MBS is put on trial, Khashoggi and the thousands of Yemeni dead will not receive any justice whatsoever, the dismissed security personnel, although highly ranked, are just MBS's lapdogs.
It will be very interesting to watch how the King punishes MBS over this, he's already stopped him from publicly listing Aramco, maybe he'll take away some more of his toys now.
I love seeing the KSA royal family tearing itself apart.
But realistically speaking, unless MBS is put on trial, Khashoggi and the thousands of Yemeni dead will not receive any justice whatsoever, the dismissed security personnel, although highly ranked, are just MBS's lapdogs.
Don't believe me? Check this out
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/24/yemen-coalition-fails-curb-violations
First a car accident, then a fight
Next the screaming was from the Song Big Enough while one of them carried a bonesaw around because he's a fan of The Macho Man and was excited to see the next PPV taking place in SA.
Next the screaming was from the Song Big Enough while one of them carried a bonesaw around because he's a fan of The Macho Man and was excited to see the next PPV taking place in SA.
Yeah, you guys have every right to defend yourselves against those evil Palestinian terrorists, wipe Gaza and Hamas out!
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The US has all sorts of blood on its hands but I'd go morally toe to toe with Saudi Arabia any day of the week lol
How hilarious that you spend all thread deflecting to the US and yet you swallow that load of bullshit from the Saudi leadership.
He is fighting corruption? By jailing people and forcing them to give up their fortunes to him under torture?
Or the activists he had put to death?
He is fighting corruption and yet 18 rogue elements just so happen murder a major detractor of his and he knew nothing about it.
Dont insult my intelligence
He's a Saudi regime apologist, all the thousands of yemeni dead and the millions starving won't change his mind, arguing with him is like arguing with an Israeli apologist, same shit.
I live near Saudi Arabia and I know how that country works and how brainwashed most of them are, trust me, I know.
It absolutely was a fight. A fight for the poor man's life as he was led into a trap sprung by 15 Saudi intelligence agents armed with bonesaws for having the audacity to be a journalist and report on corruption and abuses of power in a way that makes the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia look bad.
I live in Lebanon, some of our TV stations don't dare criticize the Saudis for fear of a cut in funding, unless they're pro Iran in which case they fire all barrels at the Saudis.
Do any of the natives in Saudi Arabia or the Arabian Gulf really have a voice? For the longest time they have been ruled by autocratic royal families.
'Both sides' were fighting. It's just one side wasn't malicious, one had 17 less people, and one side got murdered and dismembered. But both sides were fighting.
Not sure it's really worth engaging with him, he may as well be a paid propagandist.
Anyone who actually believes that MBS is not connected to this is not worth taking seriously.
And honestly, the current US administration has a role to play in this, they've essentially given MBS carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he wants like a spoiled brat, whether that's bomb innocent children in Yemen or murder his critics, that's why he was brazen enough to murder an innocent journalist on foreign soil.
KSA also ruined our country Pakistan by exporting their wasabi bs ideology (and using money). I can't wait until they run out of all that oil money so the world starts to hold them accountable for the shit they have done.
can't see how they continue to get support from USA after all the double dealing they pull off.
can't see how they continue to get support from USA after all the double dealing they pull off.
I live in the Arabian Gulf (Kuwait specifically), and we really don't unless we use fake names on the web. And even then it's not that safe since it's possible for you to get caught if you talked about about our leaders.
The Saudis for the most part, will defend their kingdom and ruler, since there's this sort of informal agreement that at the exchange of an easy life provided for by the state, where 40% of the jobs in KSA are actual government jobs, you give obedience to the king.
And it has worked for the Saudis, obedience in exchange for economic and social security, what happens if Oil collapses and the economy crumbles? That's why MBS is moving with his 2030 Saudi vision plan, economic stability of the kingdom will ensure further obedience from the people.
The areas where there are dissidents are in the east, where it's mostly Shia areas, where they're not even allowed to build their own Mosques, and their religious leader was beheaded more than a year ago for demanding equality.
Maybe he is, but the popular narrative in the west regarding the Yemen civil war isn't much better.
People in the west forget (or more likely ignorant of) the fact the conflict started when Yemen's long time strongman Ali Abdullah Saleh and his allies of convenience the Houthis (who would later murder him and televise images of his dead body) staged a coup against the transitional government that was setup in the aftermath of the Arab spring.
The conduct as the war has progressed has been appalling, but the original decision to intervene in favor of Hadi was morally right.
Saudi Arabia admits 'mistakes' in airstrike that killed 40 Yemeni children
https://globalnews.ca/news/4423163/saudi-admits-yemen-airstrikes-killed-children/
Saudi-led coalition air strike in Yemen kills 22 children (a different air strike)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lians-airstrikes-hodeidah-saada-a8508071.html
That doesn't excuse the atrocities the coalition did to innocent people, it's all well documented and by actual Arabs and it's not a "western narrative"
Yes, Tunisia is on it's way to become one of the most progressive countries in the Middle East.
The Saudis could've easily avoided this war and diplomatically ended this situation, but MBS, the new and upcoming star prince, wanted to flex his military muscles and show off his high tech army on TV, the young prince miscalculated, which seems to be a habit of his, and thought the war would end quickly, it didn't. He wanted war when he could've mediated peace, he wanted to remind the Yemenis of their place, near slaves to the Saudis. There was no moral justification for a war that could've been settled peacefully.
And ironically The Houthis fought for the Saudis against Arab nationalist since the days of Abdel Nasser and what did they get for it? Treated like slaves when they send their boys to work across the border, even after the unification the areas under Ismaili Shia control, were impoverished. That's what fueled the Houthi uprising in the first place.
I'm not excusing it, but the western narrative of "Saudi Arabia decided to wage a brutal war against it's impoverished neighbor" strips the conflict of its context, particularly the local dimension. This isn't the first civil war in Yemen. There was one in 94 when the south tried to secede, and of course there was the long and brutal war in the 60s. This is just the latest in a series of conflicts between the north and south Yemen.
so some things here:
-This is super major and dramatic, when was the last time you heard of a country arresting basically the whole top brass of its intelligence service because of a botched opp?
-If you think Saudi Arabia wanted this, no --- they were trying to pretend nothing happened or it was something else entirely --- Turkey has been forcing the hand of both Saudi Arabia and the US, because it had the the Saudi consulate wired. That ammo has been leaked out at damaging points to increase Turkey's leverage.
-Saudi Arabia and its allies need something to show justice has been done - and now they have arrested 18 involved, and uh, bad things happen when you're arrested for Murder in the Kingdom.
-Likely, both Saudi Arabia and the USA have capitulated to Turkish demands on some things, and they'll be getting some wonderful parting gifts to shut up and keep the tape under wraps. If there are further leaks, then you know Turkey isn't happy.
And yes everyone knows it's BS because the Prince had to have known, but he'll claim deniability, blame the underlings who will likely be executed for this., Turkey gets concessions because the Saudi Intelligence was incompetent enough to allow their consulate to be bugged and to commit a murder there, and the US can claim justice was done in Saudi Arabia and the murderers were dealt with by the Saudi justice system.
-This is super major and dramatic, when was the last time you heard of a country arresting basically the whole top brass of its intelligence service because of a botched opp?
-If you think Saudi Arabia wanted this, no --- they were trying to pretend nothing happened or it was something else entirely --- Turkey has been forcing the hand of both Saudi Arabia and the US, because it had the the Saudi consulate wired. That ammo has been leaked out at damaging points to increase Turkey's leverage.
-Saudi Arabia and its allies need something to show justice has been done - and now they have arrested 18 involved, and uh, bad things happen when you're arrested for Murder in the Kingdom.
-Likely, both Saudi Arabia and the USA have capitulated to Turkish demands on some things, and they'll be getting some wonderful parting gifts to shut up and keep the tape under wraps. If there are further leaks, then you know Turkey isn't happy.
And yes everyone knows it's BS because the Prince had to have known, but he'll claim deniability, blame the underlings who will likely be executed for this., Turkey gets concessions because the Saudi Intelligence was incompetent enough to allow their consulate to be bugged and to commit a murder there, and the US can claim justice was done in Saudi Arabia and the murderers were dealt with by the Saudi justice system.
And I would argue that the Saudi intervention was uncalled for and diplomatic intervention could have made things work, this intervention just escalated things.
I feel so enraged, this will be sweeped under the rug and the world will go about their business. Nobody wants to stand up to SA. US's two strongest allies in the Middle East are this Scum and fucking Israel lmao.
International community is also morally bankrupt. We are all complicit, Edward Blake was right.
International community is also morally bankrupt. We are all complicit, Edward Blake was right.
Your "im not excusing it, but here's some bullshit to excuse it" tactic doesnt fly.
When your country is murdering civilians, including school buses full of children, driving millions to the brink of death by starvation, stopping independent entities from helping the people suffering in yemen, you really dont have a leg to stand on.
Stop excusing the harrowing actions of the psycopaths in charge in SA.
Guess it's a good thing this time it's not a woman claiming sexual assault.
You two are ridiculous. If you honestly believe that a hit squad travelled to Turkey to interrogate and kill a journalist, and that MBS had no idea about this, I think you are either incredibly naive or intentionally playing dumb. This is a god damn circus act from start to finish. They sent along a freaking forensic expert for Christ's sake.
An international peacekeeping force would've been the ideal solution. Keep the peace while they argue it out.
Anyway, should stop derailing the thread
