Doctor Who Series 11 |OT|- She’s Here, and It’s About Time

Sedef122 said:

Most people moaning about the current series seems to be fans who have a concrete idea on what Doctor Who has to be based purely on the new series. It doesn't need to be bombastic, or have every character shooting off one liners rather than have a conversation like a human being. It is slower paced and so far I am enjoying it a lot. Many classic series fans moan about modern who because it is not like it was when they grew up, it seems like modern Who fans are falling into the same trap.

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I partly agree with this, but some of it is just how television has changed during those ensuing decades as well. For example, I love classic Twilight Zone, but I will fully admit the pacing is glacier slow. Some of that is just - I'm guessing - writers worrying that viewers wouldn't immediately grasp a lot of sci-fi concepts back then. For example, many episodes of Twilight Zone will just have characters explain the concept of time travel for the first 10 minutes of an episode. Watching a lot of those old episodes today, there's a tendency to think "Yeah, we all get it,"
during those conversations.

Granted, I'm also one of the ones enjoying the current season (especially the Doctor herself and Graham), so I can't really speak for the people in this thread who don't like it so far. And as I said previously, I'm very excited to see where this season takes us.

Everyone I know who is/was an occasional Who watcher is absolutely loving the new series so far. I'm very happy that this series has seemed to strike a chord with them.

I honestly think that Moffat's Who was too manic, too fast paced and too loaded for a lot of people and they eventually dropped off because of it. I don't think this series feels like RTD's era much but there are elements that are more grounded and slower paced which I think is more in line with a general audience's expectations.

I find Whittaker incredibly refreshing in the role. I've seen complaints that the writers didn't do "It's bigger on the inside" or "You've redecorated" justice and that the Doctor should be a bigger spectacle. Personally, I'm not watching Who expecting them to trot out the same one liners all the time and I got tired of the big speeches and grandstanding. I'm happy to have my expectations subverted and I'm happy each era is going to feel very distinct.

APZonerunner said:

But you're also right, with Doctor Who's time paradoxes obviously you can always write anything away. RE the Atlantis point - you're right there too, of course, but the fact is the modern show cares more about continuity in things like that than the classic show did. The classic show did not care at all. The modern show won't go back to Pompeii again or, I dunno, the 2012 Olympics again, methinks, or at least not in any way that could seriously overlap the original stories.

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I think this has less to do with the new show caring about continuity and more with how television works these days. TV from the 90's or 00's is better remembered today then shows from the 50's and 60's were back in the 70's.

Teeny said:

Everyone I know who is/was an occasional Who watcher is absolutely loving the new series so far. I'm very happy that this series has seemed to strike a chord with them.

I honestly think that Moffat's Who was too manic, too fast paced and too loaded for a lot of people and they eventually dropped off because of it. I don't think this series feels like RTD's era much but there are elements that are more grounded and slower paced which I think is more in line with a general audience's expectations.

I find Whittaker incredibly refreshing in the role. I've seen complaints that the writers didn't do "It's bigger on the inside" or "You've redecorated" justice and that the Doctor should be a bigger spectacle. Personally, I'm not watching Who expecting them to trot out the same one liners all the time and I got tired of the big speeches and grandstanding. I'm happy to have my expectations subverted and I'm happy each era is going to feel very distinct.

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But this was part of what I took issue with. To escape the sentry robots, the Doctor just makes a speech about how "brains beat guns" and then effortlessly zaps them. The escape from the paper-esque flying monsters was similar iirc, but banal to the point I actually can't remember what happened, despite watching the ep just last night.

Doctor Who has always had magical sudden escapes, and that's fine, but they need to feel earned, and I didn't get that from either of the episodes thus far.

Also—the old show was slower paced, but every story spanned multiple episodes. If you're going to slow the story down, you need more running time to effectively set up the world.

Wowfunhappy said:

But this was part of what I took issue with. To escape the sentry robots, the Doctor just makes a speech about how "brains beat guns" and then effortlessly zaps all of them. (I wanted to follow this example up with their similar escape from the from the paper-esque flying monsters, but I suddenly can't actually remember what happened, which says something given I just watched the episode the last night.) Doctor Who has always had magical sudden escapes, and I don't mind that at all, but they need to feel earned, and I didn't get that from either of the episodes so far.

Also—the old show was slower paced, but every story spanned multiple episodes. If you're going to slow the story down, you need more than ~50 minutes.

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Agreed. There have been several instances in these episodes of The Doctor doing Doctor things but without any sense of struggle or effort. And that's on the writing/editing.

Metalgearmiyamoto said:

I think this has less to do with the new show caring about continuity and more with how television works these days. TV from the 90's or 00's is better remembered today then shows from the 50's and 60's were back in the 70's.

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I think it's a bit of both, tbh. In The Writer's Tale RTD describes having actual week-to-week continuity of character development & 'light arcs' as part of his mission statement when bringing back the show, as the old show was very often like a sitcom or something where the characters would 'reset' every week. Other than arguably Sarah Jane, very few companions in the classic series really arced and changed in their tenure... I mean, this is why Sarah Jane is viewed as so special by the modern show - she was the proto-Rose, and Rose was really in turn the template for at least everybody who came since, at least up until now. You also look at the arcs experienced by people like Jack, Mickey or Rory - they're really significant compared to what came before.

So I think it's a little of both, honestly. Audiences definitely pay more attention and remember more now, which in turn encourages show runners to insert the sort of content that rewards those really paying attention. That in turn means that the series' past and what it has done before has to be respected/remembered more.

Loving the series so far, even if I have some minor grips. Jodie continues to carry it and being a great doctor.

I like Jodie, she deff feels like the doctor alright.

I feel like the writing is missing a sense of whimsy and wonder like Moffat's did though.
Feels just a tad more serious. Am I the only one who feels this way?
I hope it improves in future episodes.

Solar Puffin said:

I like Jodie, she deff feels like the doctor alright.

I feel like the writing is missing a sense of whimsy and wonder like Moffat's did though.
Feels just a tad more serious. Am I the only one who feels this way?
I hope it improves in future episodes.

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It feels a bit more like Torchwood than DW a lot of the time.

Someone else made this point in the thread, but I think it nails on the head: it feels less like a sci-fi drama and more like drama with sci-fi trappings.

Which isn't necessarily better or worse, just different.

Just watched episode 1, enjoyed it.

I'll watch episode 2 tomorrow before starting to watch them live on BBC

So far it just feels like more doctor who to me.

Sure the cast is different but visually it seems to continue the more cinematic and dramatic visual look of the last few seasons.

The stories so far have just been fine. Feel like random 1 off stories from any recent season of Who. For such a big backstage personal shake up it feels kind of the same so far. I wonder how I will feel at the end of the season.

APZonerunner said:

I think it's a bit of both, tbh. In The Writer's Tale RTD describes having actual week-to-week continuity of character development & 'light arcs' as part of his mission statement when bringing back the show, as the old show was very often like a sitcom or something where the characters would 'reset' every week. Other than arguably Sarah Jane, very few companions in the classic series really arced and changed in their tenure... I mean, this is why Sarah Jane is viewed as so special by the modern show - she was the proto-Rose, and Rose was really in turn the template for at least everybody who came since, at least up until now. You also look at the arcs experienced by people like Jack, Mickey or Rory - they're really significant compared to what came before.

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Honestly, Sarah Jane didn't really change much; they just stopped pushing the very paternalistic view of "women's lib" when Hinchcliffe took over. Her character doesn't really change at all after they set up the 4/Sarah relationship.

I'd say that Steven, Turlough and Ace were the companions that probably had the clearest character development arcs in the classic series, although you could make arguments for Mike Yates and Nyssa to a lesser extent (although frustratingly most of that just happens off screen). It was definitely not the strength of the classic series, in large part to how the series was produced in those days. The flip side is that I think the classic series was often much better at developing the characters appearing in specific stories compared to the new series (although RTD himself was quite skilled at this as well), so you have a lot of very rich characters who only appeared in a single story, but most of the regulars generally settled into a pretty set character by their second story or so.

I forgot to mention one tiny effects sequence that I really liked: When they were on Epzo's ship and getting ready to jettison the rear, there's a shot which shows him in the rear of the set bringing things through, closing the doors to that rear and then seeing it detach and fly off into space, all in a single unbroken shot. It's simple, but really dynamic and it works

I thought the whole first act of the Ghost Monument was really interestingly pacey. It didn't really breathe for a bit.

Just rewatched The Ghost Monument and realised literally every person on planet Earth has been bamboozled by Jodie's Yorkshire accent - myself included, a fellow Yorkshireman - into thinking there was a minor continuity error. Yes, the sunglasses.

When she offers Graham them she says:

"Wanna borrow my shades? Like an old pair of mine..."

It's said quick and hard to make out, but she definitely says "like". So her pockets were empty, she found these ones in the charity shop clothes she ended up buying.

I think we can all rest easy now that such a potential show-destroying plot hole has been solved.

Static Veins said:

Just rewatched The Ghost Monument and realised literally every person on planet Earth has been bamboozled by Jodie's Yorkshire accent - myself included, a fellow Yorkshireman - into thinking there was a minor continuity error. Yes, the sunglasses.

When she offers Graham them she says:

"Wanna borrow my shades? Like an old pair of mine..."

It's said quick and hard to make out, but she definitely says "like". So her pockets were empty, she found these ones in the charity shop clothes she ended up buying.

I think we can all rest easy now that such a potential show-destroying plot hole has been solved.

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? I thought it was obvious what she said, then she tells them how hers were worn by audrey hepburn or pythagoras or whomever it was

So far I like Jodie as The Doctor, and Graham's a good companion, but that's about it. If I had to use one word to describe these first two episodes, that word would be, "sloppy". If the rest of the series is similar, it's going to be an arduous wait for series 12.

Also: new TARDIS interior reminds me of Farscape.

So far this season has been great for me. I really like the emphasis of the doctor as an mad inventor and honestly that emphasis is why I think the new TARDIS works. Feels more like something jury-rigged together more because "why not" than for any form or function.

According to the Captions on the ABC version

Doctor "Oh! I forgot I put stuff in these pockets"

Graham "All this sand is getting in my eyes something rotten"

Doctor "Want to borrow my shades?"

Graham "Oh ta"

Doctor "They're like an old pair of mine."

Doctor "I say mine."

Doctor "I can't remember who I borrowed them off now."


Saying "they're like" is just a phrase of speech it doesn't mean they are like a previous pair.

Enjoying it so far. Jodie and the new companions are great. Happy to see the doomsayers scurry into hiding as the ratings skyrocket.



http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2018/10/the-woman-who-fell-to-earth-tops-charts.html

My partner's been saying her main issue so far is that there's a lot of 'telling not showing' and there's something just off with some of the dialogue. Still enjoying it, mind.

So this was interesting - it's all just one person's opinions, but tweetnotes from someone who is a script editor, looking at the episode and why some works/some doesn't, and from a writing POV I thought it was worth a look: https://medium.com/@ellardent/tweetnotes-doctor-who-the-ghost-monument-1fea68effb92

Spectone said:

Saying "they're like" is just a phrase of speech it doesn't mean they are like a previous pair.

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That is literally what she means. To paraphrase, those sunglasses resemble another pair she remembers wearing in a previous regeneration.

It's presumably a reference to Peter Capaldi's sonics.

The second episode was way better, maybe because of the probation officer from Misfits. The music is still not memorable enough though, kind of like the Capaldi seasons. Let's hope they saved the best for later. I eagerly await to see what they will do with Rosa Parks next week.

JonathanEx said:

My partner's been saying her main issue so far is that there's a lot of 'telling not showing' and there's something just off with some of the dialogue. Still enjoying it, mind.

So this was interesting - it's all just one person's opinions, but tweetnotes from someone who is a script editor, looking at the episode and why some works/some doesn't, and from a writing POV I thought it was worth a look: https://medium.com/@ellardent/tweetnotes-doctor-who-the-ghost-monument-1fea68effb92

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This is a pretty great thread. Again, it's not that it was bad, but so much clunkiness.

Finally caught up.
Ok first: I was born into it being on the TV with Silvester as the Doctor.
And I used to watch the older ones all the time on the TV.
The new reboot?
Liked them all bar David.
Matt>Peter>Chris>being stabbed in the face with some sort of flaming knife of some sort>the plague>David

Now we have Jodie, my god she is fantastic in every way a real breath of fresh air.
The bits I like:
Everything bar the sound mixing
Bits I don't like
The sound mixing

Still the music is overbearing and badly mixed, this happened from the first episode of this new reboot and it's still the same, really?????

I love the new music and the new theme, but it's so badly placed in the mix it really doesn't work

JonathanEx said:

My partner's been saying her main issue so far is that there's a lot of 'telling not showing' and there's something just off with some of the dialogue. Still enjoying it, mind.

So this was interesting - it's all just one person's opinions, but tweetnotes from someone who is a script editor, looking at the episode and why some works/some doesn't, and from a writing POV I thought it was worth a look: https://medium.com/@ellardent/tweetnotes-doctor-who-the-ghost-monument-1fea68effb92

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Seconding, this was great, put my issues into words way better than I could have. (I do wish it was just an article rather than a serious of tweets, but w/e, it read well enough.)

I also thought this was interesting:

So, what's an episode 2 *for*?

RTD used his to show how wild the show was willing to go, and to get Rose to accept danger along with awe. To consent to it going forward.

Moffat used his to establish Amy as being good for the Doctor, saving him from himself.

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One mild thing that was bothering me a bit was a concern that Jodie's outfit - what with all the emphasis on having official versions available for cosplayers - might end up leading back to the old days of feeling too much like a uniform; I'd quite liked how NewWho Doctors had a unified look but would change around the individual components so they were still recognisably in the Doctor's outfit while not always wearing identikit clothing.

Laserdisk said:

The bits I like:
Everything bar the sound mixing
Bits I don't like
The sound mixing

Still the music is overbearing and badly mixed, this happened from the first episode of this new reboot and it's still the same, really?????

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Y'know, this actually might be the first season where I didn't have any difficulty making out the dialogue. That's not a high bar to clear, but I do think it's a definite improvement.

KuwabaraTheMan said:

Honestly, Sarah Jane didn't really change much; they just stopped pushing the very paternalistic view of "women's lib" when Hinchcliffe took over. Her character doesn't really change at all after they set up the 4/Sarah relationship.

I'd say that Steven, Turlough and Ace were the companions that probably had the clearest character development arcs in the classic series, although you could make arguments for Mike Yates and Nyssa to a lesser extent (although frustratingly most of that just happens off screen). It was definitely not the strength of the classic series, in large part to how the series was produced in those days. The flip side is that I think the classic series was often much better at developing the characters appearing in specific stories compared to the new series (although RTD himself was quite skilled at this as well), so you have a lot of very rich characters who only appeared in a single story, but most of the regulars generally settled into a pretty set character by their second story or so.

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RTD era episodes are stronger as a whole than Moffat ones for this reason. RTD could set up episode specific characters and make you care about them in ways that created real stakes--sure, the Doctor or Companion aren't going to die (most of the time), but these side characters are at real risk so if you make the audience care for them that'a huge storytelling boon. Moffat wasn't so good at this, which is why the stories started being about the Doctor or Companion and not merely featuring them.

Parthenios said:

RTD era episodes are stronger as a whole than Moffat ones for this reason. RTD could set up episode specific characters and make you care about them in ways that created real stakes--sure, the Doctor or Companion aren't going to die (most of the time), but these side characters are at real risk so if you make the audience care for them that'a huge storytelling boon. Moffat wasn't so good at this, which is why the stories started being about the Doctor or Companion and not merely featuring them.

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Yeah, it's certainly interesting that as far as Moffat went, the side characters that he used the most were the ones most like the Doctor himself.

I rewatched Time Heist a few days ago and was like "okay, Psi and Saibra are like 30% away from being real characters, but they never get there". I actually kind of liked them, and I liked how their little mini-story ended with them and Twelve eating Chinese food and joking around on the TARDIS like actual friends. And then they're just kinda gone.

Lashley said:

? I thought it was obvious what she said, then she tells them how hers were worn by audrey hepburn or pythagoras or whomever it was

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I'd been seeing lots of complaints at the "plot hole" that she said she had empty pockets then pulled the glasses out this episode. Maybe not as widespread a misconception as I thought !

Static Veins said:

I'd been seeing lots of complaints at the "plot hole" that she said she had empty pockets then pulled the glasses out this episode. Maybe not as widespread a misconception as I thought !

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Jesus you're making hard work of this trivial point. Here's an unofficial transcript:

DOCTOR: Oh, I forgot I put stuff in these pockets.
GRAHAM: All this sand is getting in my eyes something rotten.
DOCTOR: Want to borrow my shades?
GRAHAM: Oh, ta.
DOCTOR: Like an old pair of mine. I say mine. Can't remember who I borrowed them off now. It was either Audrey Hepburn or Pythagoras.
GRAHAM: Eh? Pythagoras never wore shades.
DOCTOR: You obviously never saw him with a hangover.

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So she's saying she used to wear sunglasses, which she had borrowed from one or other person on her travels, and this pair resembles that pair. She's very newly regenerated so we know she's referring to earlier regenerations (unless she's already been off on some moffatesque side adventure, which I regret needs to be ruled out on grounds of parsimony).

I suppose it's conceivable that the shades she presents to Graham is the exact same pair once worn by Audrey Hepburn or Mr Hypotenuse himself. Parsimony again rules this out, because she fell to earth with empty pockets, not even a sonic. My head canon (boom!) tells me that at some point before leaving Earth in search of her ship she must have borrowed a tenner from Graham and gone into a Pound Shop to remedy the problem of the empty pockets. Not a plot hole, just one of those things (like going to the toilet or scratching your bum) that aren't depicted on screen.

Watched the christmas special and was blown away, especially since I was very eh on yhe 11ths few episodes I watched.

I'm not ready for the 12th and gonna start the first episode

Parthenios said:

RTD era episodes are stronger as a whole than Moffat ones for this reason. RTD could set up episode specific characters and make you care about them in ways that created real stakes--sure, the Doctor or Companion aren't going to die (most of the time), but these side characters are at real risk so if you make the audience care for them that'a huge storytelling boon. Moffat wasn't so good at this, which is why the stories started being about the Doctor or Companion and not merely featuring them.

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Yeah, that's one of the biggest differences between the eras. RTD's Doctor Who was full of really interesting supporting characters who you could get invested with even in a short period of time, while Moffat's era really had very few of them.

JonathanEx said:

My partner's been saying her main issue so far is that there's a lot of 'telling not showing' and there's something just off with some of the dialogue. Still enjoying it, mind.

So this was interesting - it's all just one person's opinions, but tweetnotes from someone who is a script editor, looking at the episode and why some works/some doesn't, and from a writing POV I thought it was worth a look: https://medium.com/@ellardent/tweetnotes-doctor-who-the-ghost-monument-1fea68effb92

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This is a really great analysis. Especially the points about how the lines specific to the 13th Doctor (her saying the companions were being good for not complaining etc) are amazing, but then you also get real generic lines that, even two episodes in, feel totally untrue to the character. The bit where she forgets Yaz was there, for instance, struck me as being totally odd and purely done 'because that's what the Doctor does'. Except the 13th Doctor has been otherwise established as far more emotionally aware than any other incarnation.

I think my biggest problem so far is that, in spite of how much emphasis has been placed on how they're now 'friends' rather than companions, it still feels like there's a weird emotional distance between the characters and the Doctor. Like, think of Rose and 9 watching the world die in End of the World. Or Amy and 11 hugging at the end of Beast Below. Those were very simple scenes that established the core relationships between the Doctor and companion and made you understand why the companion was travelling with this Doctor and vice versa.

Obviously the companions were thrown in to travelling with the Doctor in this case but it still feels like they're just...there. They're not incredibly happy to be on an adventure or mad at the Doctor for very nearly killing them all or worried about getting home. They're just going along, continuing to talk about plot points from episode one. ON AN ALIEN PLANET. I have zero idea about how Yaz felt about being on an alien planet for the first time because instead we get some very awkward dialogue establishing her family. Say what you will about Clara's wonky characterisation in S7, but that moment in Cold War when she admits to being terrified of the situation she's found herself in at least said something about her character.

I know we've barely started this era I just wish I had more faith in Chibnall to write something cracking further down the line.

JonathanEx said:

My partner's been saying her main issue so far is that there's a lot of 'telling not showing' and there's something just off with some of the dialogue. Still enjoying it, mind.

So this was interesting - it's all just one person's opinions, but tweetnotes from someone who is a script editor, looking at the episode and why some works/some doesn't, and from a writing POV I thought it was worth a look: https://medium.com/@ellardent/tweetnotes-doctor-who-the-ghost-monument-1fea68effb92

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Ellard's notes are always brilliant, though of these this is the one that stands out most prominently to me:

https://twitter.com/ellardent/status/1051835413936185344

Check this out, from the opening scene:

R: "Where's Yaz and the Doctor? [Are they here?"
G: "No, I don't know where they are.] I've been trying to get her to look for them."

Thing is…everything between the [ and ] is redundant. The ratio of heard-before lines to new isn't great. But that's not every writer's skill, & forcing away from that can sound overly stylised. But there's a lot of redundancy here. Adding neither texture nor rhythm. Coulda quit that scene 3 lines earlier, too.

Thing is, all that stock stuff is taking up space. Yaz was barely in this episode! Where's her 'young-but-trained cop in tough situation' scene? Instead we get the "When I was 10" stories people tell in shows like this. As if Epzo wasn't clear from behaviour.

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This is really important stuff, and the sort of thing that RTD and Moffat were really good at, I think - both with a really strong comedy background, so they're used to just slicing all the fat clean out of any script so you can pack it in and make it as funny as possible. The thing is, you can also apply this to other genres, and this is where RTD in particular was so celebrated - it wasn't just his Doctor Who, but also stuff like The Second Coming and Casanova. You have to be careful to not turn it too much into over-optimized TV dialogue (at this RTD was better than Moffat), but I think this sort of dialogue of Chibnall's is where these episodes have had a bit of drag, pacing-wise. It makes sense Ellard would get this, too, as he's probably best known for script editing Red Dwarf - again, sitcom.

Very keen to sink my teeth into an episode written by somebody else this week, and it'll be a first real, true indication of what Chibnall's vision is. Week 3 is also the first real, true ratings test, too. Fingers crossed on all fronts!

Not a fan of the new show style so far.
To start with the score has taken a giant step backwards. Murray Gold's composing was an integral part of New Who's success in my opinion, most especially during Matt Smith's tenure as the Doctor, when Gold really outdid himself on multiple occasions. The current score is mundane, dull and adds nothing to the show so far. A huge disappointment.

I'm not hating Jodie, but i'm thoroughly disinterested in the characterization of this Doctor so far. Seems too....warm and gushy? There's definitely a lot of potential to explore aspects of femininity in the Doctor role, but so far it's left me cold.

I'll not judge the overall season writing and companions just yet, that always takes at least a few episodes to kick in. I will say that these tooth fairies are entirely bland, forgettable and even a little bit laughable as villains.

Editing/pacing seems quite rushed and breathless as well, hoping for improvement there.

Visually it looks improved at least, more cinematic style and special effects don't look as out of place anymore.

DukeMiffy said:

To start with the score has taken a giant step backwards. Murray Gold's composing was an integral part of New Who's success in my opinion

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Sorry but no.
Not against your opinion on how the score affected your liking of the series but I can count in one hand non musical tv shows that the score was an integral part of it's sucess and doctor who is absolutely not one of those.

Yeah, I'm totally over Gold's really heavy-handed leitmotif-filled style.

Well to each his own. Gold's score was a huge part of what got me into Who at all, so I have to credit it, and I absolutely do not like low key, barely noticable "background" scoring in film and shows.

Wowfunhappy said:

Y'know, this actually might be the first season where I didn't have any difficulty making out the dialogue. That's not a high bar to clear, but I do think it's a definite improvement.

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Sure, but Jesus drowned out Christ why us this still a thing

I thought Gold was really fantastic at crafting these moving character themes (and some more triumphant ones for 11 and 12) but his regular we're-on-an-adventure there's-something-exciting-happening-now music felt generic and overblown. I like the more subdued stuff so far, though nothing has really grabbed me as all that memorable yet either.

Blader said:

I thought Gold was really fantastic at crafting these moving character themes (and some more triumphant ones for 11 and 12) but his regular we're-on-an-adventure there's-something-exciting-happening-now music felt generic and overblown. I like the more subdued stuff so far, though nothing has really grabbed me as all that memorable yet either.

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Gold was definitely best at motifs rather than situational music, yeah. The fact that so many of his pieces were able to echo from run to run and not feel out of place was impressive. I still love that Eleven's regeneration/death theme was a combination of the Gallifrey motif and Nine/Ten's song. And of course Twelve got to go out to Breaking the Wall, exactly as he should have.

I think I like her, but the first two eps were boring......

I also don't like when there's more than one but definitely not more than two companions.

Getting rid of Murray Gold is the best thing the show has done in years. He was good back during the RTD era, but his overly bombastic stuff was way past the sell by date, and it's just good to have a new tone for the music.

Murray Gold was one of the best parts of Doctor Who and his departure is a huge loss.

After scoring the series for twelve years though he couldn't be expected to stay any longer.

KuwabaraTheMan said:

Getting rid of Murray Gold is the best thing the show has done in years. He was good back during the RTD era, but his overly bombastic stuff was way past the sell by date, and it's just good to have a new tone for the music.

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I would be more inclined to blame the Sound Editor/Mixer. I'm not sure how much say Gold had in the loudness of his music in the final product.

The problem with replacing Murray Gold is that they replaced him with someone who's music just blends into the background with little to no notable qualities. If you thought Murray Gold was too overstated, you have to accept that the new stuff has the exact opposite problem.