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The resistance on reducing meat consumption

weekev

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Driving cars has a bigger impact to the environment but there are more cars on the road now than there were even 5 years ago. The human race as a species are hurtling towards the destruction of our planet. It's in our hands and all we are doing is accelerating that destruction.
 
MistaTwo

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Because I have to feed a family of 4 on a limited salary.
The cost of living is already expensive here in Japan and a healthy robust vegan diet for 2 growing kids and two adults
would break the bank by my estimates.

And yeah, it tastes good too.

Edit: I guess I should mention that just like most of Japan we don't consume much red meat because of the price of beef in particular. Chicken in the most common meat in our home, though I guess pork isn't that far behind....
 
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jipewithin

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I dont really eat red meat anymore and eat chicken maybe 200g a day. It's easy. You get enough protein from eggs, fish, beans, lentil etc. You will just get ass cancer from consuming loads of red meat and clog your veins.

There is zero reason to be vegan except ethical ones. Just eat less meat. Especially red meat.
 
jipewithin

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MeaningOfKarma said:
It blows me away that something as reasonable and mild as "maybe you could reduce meat consumption by 30%" is met with a full-on blast of grown adults pitching a fit.

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Reading these comments blew my mind. What the fuck. Seriously? Feels like a road to diabetes to me.

Would be interested hearing how many kg people here eat meat or red meat each week or daily.
 

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I'd be happy to eat less meat if someone can tell me what good substitutes there are that I can buy in my local supermarket.

What I usually find is people talking about how it's easy to move away from meat, but the actual suggestions people make (if they make them at all) are difficult to find and/or way more expensive.
 
tsampikos

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daxy said:
The meat/anti-vegan defense force in here is, frankly speaking, embarrassing. Is this all because of OP's message?

And we wonder why the planet is going to shit. Sometimes to do the right thing you need to make choices that you don't like. But oh well. Let's go back to our regularly scheduled complaints of how someone else is to blame and accountable. Republicans and corporate America, am I right?
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I give no shits. White people made it clear they are the victors and that this world isnt made for us. Let it all burn.
 
Gunship

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Sure OP, I'll forgo my filet mignon medium rare, side of thick cut chips and bottle of 2009 Pomerol, if you offer me an equally delicious and satisfying alternative. Please suggest something and I will cook it and compare.
 
bane833

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It's a pointless endeveavour. Ban factory farming, see the prices skyrocket and people will be forced to eat less meat. No other way.
 
RM8

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"Meat is tasty so screw the environment" is objectively speaking a very dumb stance to take (and I'm not vegan or vegetarian). Reducing your meat intake is not difficult, we're talking about 30% not about going vegan.
 
Window

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Gunship said:
Sure OP, I'll forgo my filet mignon medium rare, side of thick cut chips and bottle of 2009 Pomerol, if you offer me an equally delicious and satisfying alternative. Please suggest something and I will cook it and compare.
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Would you support a politician who proposes policies which would raise the prices of meat products making the alternatives more economically enticing?
 
oledome

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As someone who eats meat almost every day the responses of "provood alternativ" are really dumb, the topic is about reducing meat consumption by a degree in an effort to help the environment

"but I gotta have mur steak & bacon" - yes son, you can still have those, that's not what the topic is about
 
astro

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Calls for alternatives are missing the point.

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What better alternative? Humans began interacting with fire 1.5 million years ago and have been using it to cook food ever since. Between the first electric car being described in 1830 and Tesla beginning production in 2008, it took 178 years for someone to figure out how to market a greener car. If people were going to figure out how to market more environmentally friendly foods to be better than red meat, we would have done it by now.

All this theoretical nonsense does is pass the blame onto some imaginary experts and excuse people of their culpability in this.
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What is lab grown meat?

You do realise this is a work in progress, right? "Would have done it by now" is massively ignorant of the processes involved and everything they've achieved so far.
 
Acidote

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I have no problem with lab grown meat. As soon as it's substantially cheaper than regular meat (and cheaper because of production cost, not regulations driving traditional meat prices up) I'll jump in.
 

Snack12367

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Like most things if you want people to stop doing a thing you need to do the following:

1. Offer an alternative. In this case meat substitutes.
2. Offer incentive. Make it cheap, or make the other more expensive.
3. Make it easy. We will always choose the lazy option. If lazy option is vegan, people will choose it.
5. Scare people. This is the hardest when it comes to meat and the most unethical. Unlike cigarettes, there is no health risk, so trying to get people off of it by showing them the personal risk isn't going to work.

The key problem is going to be the supply. People will eat less meat, if there is less meat to get. However not every farmer can turn to crops, some land is only good for cattle. They will go out of of business unless you figure out an alternative.
 
UltraMagnus

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Acidote said:
I have no problem with lab grown meat. As soon as it's substantially cheaper than regular meat (and cheaper because of production cost, not regulations driving traditional meat prices up) I'll jump in.
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Yup, once lab grown meat is commonly available ... it's buh-bye regular meat for me.

I'd even be willing to pay more for it, I don't need animals being killed if I can get basically the same tasting chicken or beef another way, I'm switching.
 
astro

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supremeplatypus said:
You can care about climate change without forcing yourself to eat things you don't like. It's OK to have personal preferences. There are other ways people can contribute.
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Forcing yourself to eat things you don't like?

So you only eat meat 100%? You don't eat vegetables, pulses, seeds, fruits, etc...?

You don't need to replace meat for the 30% OP suggests, just remove it.

And you can make perfectly delicious meals that cover all the nutritional bases without any kind of substitute.
 
Teeny

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I am by no means a vegetarian or vegan but, recently, the wife and I decided to reduce our meat consumption. Firstly, meat is pricey. Secondly, it's bad for the environment. And finally, though I do still eat meat, there is a certain amount of guilt that goes along with the mass slaughtering of animals.

I spoke with a colleague at work who is also a meat eater but has vegetarian family and he was saying how the substitutes have come a long way in taste and texture. So this week, we picked up some some stuff to try during our shop.

Anyway, my wife already encountered resistance. They were talking about diets at work and she mentioned the above. A colleague told her "it's actually worse for the environment, don't you know" and got all defensive. She said it was pretty bizarre to be on the receiving end of it considering we are still using animal products and it was a completely personal diet choice. I just think people don't want to acknowledge the industry that their demand keeps afloat. They would rather pretend the meat they buy just appears in the packet and not worry about all the nasty shit that goes into making it. Myself included, there.
 

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I recently switched to a vegetarian diet because a few months ago I got more into cooking and preparing various animal parts that are not preprocessed and don't always look pretty like the "good parts". While I prepared the belly of a pig I was a little disgusted by the sound of scraping the skin of this pig and removing the hair. When I was finished I put it in a pressure cooker with some sauerkraut and went on to eat it. It was good and all but one part had like big fat arteries coming out of it, I felt that shit on my tongue. I was so disgusted I felt the need to puke for two days. Well since then I haven't eaten meat and I think im done with it.

All in all, I think if people prepared food more often, especially the "ugly" parts, switching would become easier. The food industry does a great job at making meat and eating meat feel very clean, while it often is very dirty. Regarding quality and ethics.

I'm also living together with my vegetarian SO since 3 years and she never gave me shit or anything and even bought meat for me, while it does not change you instantly but it makes you question your habits. And that is what eating meat is. You just are used to it. There's no actual need for it, its just a choice.

Also some 4 to 5 years agago I switched from regualry eating meat from the cheap store to once or twice a week from a butchey or at least higher quality meat.

Even back then I was disgusted watching people by 10 packages of the cheapest sliced meat like it was normal. If you step out of it, you see realize how disgusting it really is and how easy it is to think it is morally OK because you're not interested to think otherwise.

Just recently there is a new law in Germany that requires male pigs to be anesthetized before getting castrated. Before that, these little fuckers got their balls cut off while being fully aware of it. And why is this done? Because it removes a certain smell when pig meat is being cooked.

Come on.
 
Teeny

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sHitman said:
I recently switched to a vegetarian diet because a few months ago I got more into cooking and preparing various animal parts that are not preprocessed and don't always look pretty like the "good parts". While I prepared the belly of a pig I was a little disgusted by the sound of scraping the skin of this pig and removing the hair. When I was finished I put it in a pressure cooker with some sauerkraut and went on to eat it. It was good and all but one part had like big fat arteries coming out of it, I felt that shit on my tongue. I was so disgusted I felt the need to puke for two days. Well since then I haven't eaten meat and I think im done with it.

All in all, I think if people prepared food more often, especially the "ugly" parts, switching would become easier. The food industry does a great job at making meat and eating meat feel very clean, while it often is very dirty. Regarding quality and ethics.

I'm also living together with my vegetarian SO since 3 years and she never gave me shit or anything and even bought meat for me, while it does not change you instantly but it makes you question your habits. And that is what eating meat is. You just are used to it. There's no actual need for it, its just a choice.

Also some 4 to 5 years agago I switched from regualry eating meat from the cheap store to once or twice a week from a butchey or at least higher quality meat.

Even back then I was disgusted watching people by 10 packages of the cheapest sliced meat like it was normal. If you step out of it, you see realize how disgusting it really is and how easy it is to think it is morally OK because you're not interested to think otherwise.

Just recently there is a new law in Germany that requires male pigs to be anesthetized before getting castrated. Before that, these little fuckers got their balls cut off while being fully aware of it. And why is this done? Because it removes a certain smell when pig meat is being cooked.

Come on.
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I've always been in a family that has prepared food and cooked from scratch so I've always been fortunate enough to know where meat comes from.

Nevertheless, I made my own pate a few months ago and taste testing it was not pleasant. I didn't even really enjoy the final product because of it lol.
 
kaospilot

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I'm vegetarian, there's some decent substitutes out there for when I'm a bit stuck or feeling lazy. I love all of the quorn "chicken" nuggets, there's a few different types and they're all real nice. My house mate can't tell the difference lol

A few of my friends have cut down, one of them is the most meat loving guy I know so good effort from him.
 
rainz

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The first few pages of replies here had me questioning if this was an old gamespot/gamefaqs forum or something...

Not only did most people miss the actual topic of discussion but they doubled down and got defensive coz "muh meat"! Wow, just wow..
 
Agent_ShortBus

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I've cut back on eating meat and gone back to eating way more fresh fruit and vegies because I was getting fat. On the plus side I don't feel guilty for driving around in a gas hungry car that runs on premium and gets like 16 mpg. Let people eat their meat and drive their electric cars. We just all need to find our own balance.
 
Zampano

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I am reducing my consumption, particularly red meat. It should feel like a treat.

That UN report was a real prompt for me and my wife has wanted to cut down for a while but I've been a bit retrograde on it really. No need at all to eat as much as we do.
 

Oddish1

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I have been trying to reduce my meat consumption. I'm not sure if I can ever go full vegetarian/vegan but I'm doing what I can like having a vegetarian day a week. Fish is also a good alternative to beef since it's healthier and has much less carbon footprint.
 

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MartinB105 said:
I'd be happy to eat less meat if someone can tell me what good substitutes there are that I can buy in my local supermarket.

What I usually find is people talking about how it's easy to move away from meat, but the actual suggestions people make (if they make them at all) are difficult to find and/or way more expensive.
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Vegetables, beans, lentils, chickpeas. Apart from the occasional tofu (which I flavor or marinate) I've never used any traditional (as in meant to mimic meat) meat substitutes. I think they are not necessary.
 
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Dice said:
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Just lmao this image is perfect.

bangai-o said:
The responses in this thread are like Trump -isms.
fuck you i got mine.
the science is wrong.
it's not like we can change anything anyway.
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Yep, never forget that most people are reactionary, get defensive over what they perceive as part of their identity, and hate taking responsibility for their own actions. And facts are only in play if they're on your side. I generalise obviously, but in my experience this is the case for any group of people no matter what their beliefs are.
 
kortvarsel

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The worst part of the defence force in here isn't that they won't stop eating meat, but that they're so fucking proud of it. Being vocal about it just gives others strength to do the same. If you like it more than anything else in the world, keep it to yourself.

This isn't a joke. We have to do everything we can. People will die.
 
Aureon

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The weird thing is why are so many people so hellbent on the meat part?

There's a lot of things with higher impact, like..
- Installing solar panels on your home
- Minimizing car usage, especially solo car usage
- Minimizing air travel
- Eating and buying locally

But none of these really have ardent advocates or people that get offended when people go "Nah fam, i'm good".
If your philosophy is about animal rights, argue about those. Don't trojan horse with environmental issues. (Which, anyway, apply mostly to beef. Pork and chicken are minor.)
(I don't eat beef, for the record. I do eat quite a lot of pork and chicken, though.)
(Also for the record, i spent my first paychecks installing a solar roof, i don't own a personal car, travel by train whenever possible, and do my best with local markets.)

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The leading cause of co2 emissions is cows
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What? no.
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I pushed my main meat consumption to the weekends only.

But I am selfish, there is things I won't stop doing, as they are necessary for my life quality. If I can't look forward to eating some meat, just fruits and vegatables (of which 90% taste awful to me) I could as well commit suicide. I was vegetarian for a few years, but made up for meat with Tuna and tons of cheese, which wouldn't help.
 
Mass_Pincup

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The important thing is to ease people into reducing meat by first pushing stuff like chicken and pork which pollute way less than beef.

That would be a reasonable step for most people I reckon and is what I'm doing personally. I aim to do at least a meatless day a week soon enough.
 

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I had a bacon cheeseburger last night because of this thread. Thanks!
 
Kwhit10

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It's weird what you read on this forum.

Thread : Donald trump doesn't believe in climate change...
Or scientists say we have 10 years to make big improvements or climate is fucked.
Response : fuck trump or fuck Republicans or we need to fix this now.

Then ..

Thread: you can help save the climate, eat less beef

Response: fuck that the world can die so I can have 2 steaks a week instead of one. I'm not helping save the climate i need my cow products (need here means want).
 
Black_Red

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kortvarsel said:
The worst part of the defence force in here isn't that they won't stop eating meat, but that they're so fucking proud of it. Being vocal about it just gives others strength to do the same. If you like it more than anything else in the world, keep it to yourself.

This isn't a joke. We have to do everything we can. People will die.
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Because there's nothing wrong with eating meat. Just because vegans/vegetarians think people should be ashamed for eating meat won't make people feel bad about it (it's hard to feel bad while eating something so good).

I mostly este chicken and fish since they're healthier and pollute less. But I wouldnt give shit to people who make different choices than me, like eating meat or ir having children.
 
Aureon

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Kwhit10 said:
It's weird what you read on this forum.

Thread : Donald trump doesn't believe in climate change...
Or scientists say we have 10 years to make big improvements or climate is fucked.
Response : fuck trump or fuck Republicans or we need to fix this now.

Then ..

Thread: you can help save the climate, eat less beef

Response: fuck that the world can die so I can have 2 steaks a week instead of one. I'm not helping save the climate i need my cow products (need here means want).
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Repeat with me:
Eating less meat is in no way sufficient or primary effort in fighting climate change.
The first and foremost thing you can do is vote for climate-conscious politicians..
Everything else is very secondary
 
Freezasaurus

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Mass_Pincup said:
The important thing is to ease people into reducing meat by first pushing stuff like chicken and pork which pollute way less than beef.
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There are various reasons that I limit my red meat intake. I eat way more chicken than I do beef or pork. But you're going to run into a lot of resistance trying to make people do anything they don't want to do. Regardless of specifics.
 
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