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Feb 24, 2018
5,237
I think everyone here can agree that fandom can be a toxic place at times, but for me, "true fan" mentality is some of the worst ways for fans to act.

If you don't know what that is, it's when a fan or a group of fans of something decide "You're only a hardcore fan if you with agree with us" or "If you like/don't like this, you are just a casual" or "Real fans don't care about x, we only care about y" or some other variation that I'm sure you've seem at least once and is sadly very common in video game fandoms and circles and sadly something I've been seeing happen of ERA more often the past few weeks.

The reason I don't like it is because it's pure gatekeeping and elitism, a way to put down anyone who disagrees with you, who you don't consider "real fans" or aren't worthy or being noticed. I've grown more and more tired of this, for example fighting game fandoms pulling this mentality all the time when it comes "Competitive fighting game fans are the "real" fanbase, everyone else is just a casual" and then dismiss anyone who cares about lore, story, single player content, characters or like a mixture of online and offline as not important or not worthy of being listened to by the developers.

The reason I bring fighting games up is because that's where I had one of the worst cases of this, before the launch of Street Fighter V I was hyped as hell for it like a lot of SF fans were, posting speculation, doing posts and articles about my fav SF characters and ready for the game to come out. But when it did, I was disappointed, from the lack of single player content, the online being okay at best and the coming microtransactions just didn't appeal to me. As I result when I said, this I was made to feel miserable by people declared me "Not a real fan" and made me like I was kicked out of the fandom and that isn't right.

NO ONE should be made to feel miserable for liking a game, being critical of a work they love or liking different aspects to a game than others. Groupthink is no excuse for this BS Opinion myopia. You do not get to decided who can be a fan of a work or not for them or bully people for having different views

To me, if you like something, you are a real fan and those who use terms like "hardcore", "true fan", "competitive" or "pro" to bully people around and act like their views and opinion are worth more are just toxic, elitist arses that give fans a bad name.

Like fighting games because you like going to tournaments and playing on ranked matches? You're a fan. Like the people you like the different story modes, arcade, the characters, the lore etc, you're a fan. Love writing fanfiction, fan art or making remixes or your favourite tracks? You're a fan. Like Final Fantasy XIII but hate VII, you're still a fan. Want lore in other watch or don't care about lore, you're a fan. Looking forward to Let's Go Eevee or don't care, you're both fans. You're all fans equally and just as important and let no one EVER make you feel miserable for loving your fav works differently or make you feel lesser for your opinions.

And Devs, don't encourage it, one of the reasons I like Smash and Masahiro Sakurai because they seem to get that and make their games to appeal many different types of fans and newcomers rather than just the loudest (which are usually not the biggest). Same goes for YouTubers and game sites that indulge in fan opinion myopia and "true fan" mentality, just don't, you aren't helping and just contributing to making fan bases even more toxic.

Lastly, I fully realize that this isn't something that's solely a gaming problem, comics, TV, Sci-Fi, Movies, Fantasy, Gothic Horror all suffer from this same type of attitudes forming, however gaming to its sheer size and in many places, lack of moderation allows this sort of mentality to grow until it forces anyone that isn't part of a special group to move away.
 
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TheEchosOfTheCyborg
Feb 24, 2018
5,237
And yes, this also applies to those who pull this elitism and attitudes for difficulty settings, no, you are no more or less of a fan if you play on the super extreme mode or the easy settings.
 

Pulp

Member
Nov 4, 2017
3,023
I agree that it is a problem. I have experienced it in music as well when going to concerts. People being ridiculed because they don't know this one fact or don't own that exact item. I always try to confront the "gatekeepers" because I know how it is to get into something and being shot down because people want something for themselves.
 

bitSS

Self-requested ban
Banned
Nov 9, 2017
1,319
Portugal
I also find it very common with bands/singers, people being called "fake fans" if they just listened to the last album, or if they listen to an artist's work after their death. I have been listening to 21 Pilots since like forever but I don't think those who started listening to them last year or the other are any less than me, just because the band got a lot more popular all of a sudden. It's really dumb.

In games, though, I dunno, can't actually come up with any example right now, ahaha.
 

Com_Raven

Brand Manager
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
1,103
Europa
I always find that sort of gate-keeping pretty sad. As a teenager, I was a huge fan of the BattleTech universe, and it was always sad to see all the different forms of elitism and factionalism in it. Players of the original board game thinking that the collectible MechWarrior game was just for casuals and kids. Or that you are not a "true fan" if you only play the PC games. Hell, there were even people who looked down upon anyone who played the board game in one of the later settings like 3050, instead of the purist 3025.
 

Skronk

Member
Nov 22, 2017
1,231
I've been guilty of gatekeeping but I'm trying to be better about it. I can't really tell you why my instinct is to act elitist about certain things, maybe it's because I'm trying to feel unique.
 

Wulfric

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,965
I don't think you'll find anyone to disagree with you here. Gatekeeping is what keeps many people from playing the games they play, either tabletop or virtual.

This goes for any hobby really. You don't need to buy the most expensive golf clubs or Magic deck, but that's what enfranchised players will inevitably push you towards.
 

Kyle Cross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,427
And yes, this also applies to those who pull this elitism and attitudes for difficulty settings, no, you are no more or less of a fan if you play on the super extreme mode or the easy settings.
Thank you! The video game community is super toxic about difficulty. So much as suggest that Soulsborne should have accessibility difficulty options gets you eaten alive.
 

HMS_Pinafore

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,150
Straya M8
As someone who likes the Bethesda fallout games I've been called not a real fallout fan a fair bit, as if I'm upset that I can't be part of their group of wankers.
 

ara

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,009
r/Gatekeeping is one of my fav subreddits

There's some profoundly stupid shit out there
 

gschmidl

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Dec 3, 2017
122
And yes, this also applies to those who pull this elitism and attitudes for difficulty settings, no, you are no more or less of a fan if you play on the super extreme mode or the easy settings.

Even worse if they are staunchly opposed to adding other difficulty settings. What the hell is it to you if someone wants to play on easy? Christ.
 

SweetVermouth

Banned
Mar 5, 2018
4,272
well I'd say in most cases you are correct. The only exception would be if a thing fundamentally changed to the point it has become something else which people then start to like while thinking it's the same as it used to be.

And I say fundamentally! Nobody should give a shit if you started playing Street Fighter at 2, 3, 4 or 5.
 

KeRaSh

I left my heart on Atropos
Member
Oct 26, 2017
10,254
Totally agree.
This reminds me of every Destiny raid matchmaking debate ever.
 
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TheEchosOfTheCyborg
Feb 24, 2018
5,237
I've been guilty of gatekeeping but I'm trying to be better about it. I can't really tell you why my instinct is to act elitist about certain things, maybe it's because I'm trying to feel unique.

I've caught myself doing it as well at times, it can be easy to fall into the trap at times, as TheEnd was spot on in this regard.
 

Yusuke_Kun

Member
Sep 26, 2018
60
The main problem is that many (way too many) gamers have troubles accepting the concept of subjectivity. Everyone has their own tastes and you can't simply force yours on others.
Sometimes it's hard to admit that a game you were massively hyped for was actually a disappointment...and even if you're aware of that, you don;t want to admit it because you've loved all the previous chapters of a saga.
 

Menik

Member
Oct 27, 2017
247
Canada
Well said OP.

Anyone can be a fan of something. It's really self-implied when you start spending time around the thing you're a fan of. The term "true fan" should never exist.

Things that make people "true fans":
  • Achievements made/secrets discovered within the series
  • # of years spent with the series
  • Vast knowledge and research of the series and/or behind the scenes.
  • Knowing rare tidbits of information embedded in the series.
I'd stand up for anyone who gets looked down upon for not being a "true fan", because fandom to me is solely based on whether you like something enough to learn about and spend time on. That being said, I still believe that in something like a series or franchise, it is healthy to know your foundations. Go back to start and learn from the base up when becoming a fan of something. To me this is natural, but sometimes people don't do this and then there can often be a disconnect when trying to participate in a relative community.

At the end of the day though, people can stand to be a lot more supportive than telling people they aren't real fans. You want to encourage people to be fans of something you love yourself, not slap them with it.
 

Glio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
24,515
Spain
In Fire Emblem and SMT / Persona for example, it is quite embarrassing to enter into some topics.
 

Pila

Member
Oct 31, 2017
431
Some people are like that, they'll spend a lot of time doing something and in the end they'll feel like they belong in a community and other people don't. It's the same thing everywhere, it's not exclusive to nerd communities. Happened to me at work, doing sports, everywhere really. A lot of people are not inclusive, at all.

You should care less imo :) I used to get mad about it but now I'm older and kids being all hardcore about, say, Street Fighter don't bother me, they're cute if anything, I'll have it my way and be sure I don't care about kiddos on the internet being true SF fans... whatever rofl can't be bothered.
 

ShinUltramanJ

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,949
I've seen someone ask how you can call yourself a fan of gaming if your not following streamers.

You just have to shake your head at these people.
 

Kain-Nosgoth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,560
Switzerland
i never care about what people says, i just enjoy my shit

some fans are great, some are dumb, end of the story, won't stop me from enjoying something
 

fspm

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,086
The reason you were disappointed in sf5 is because it's a piece of shit.
 

RionaaM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,852
This is gaming in a nutshell. It's full of intolerant people who can't deal with different opinions, cultures or backgrounds. You'd think that playing so many games and seeing different stories and characters would open their minds a little, but it's the opposite.

I also agree with the posts that mention music, with people who feel entitled to tell everyone else what they should like in order to gain their approval. "If you're a real Genesis fan you shouldn't like the Phil Collins era", stuff like that. It's stupid and needlessly antagonizing.
 

Black_Red

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,929
I mean I kind of agree, but at the same time as a fan of Pokémon is kind of annoying when people who only played Pokémon Go and watchwd the anime Say the game feels archaic and that it should be a open world action RPG since that is what "fans" want.

The gatekeeping is annoying, but hearing people asking for your favourite game to stop being what it is to catter to other audience is annoying.
 

Aurc

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,890
I don't gatekeep. The words "You're not a true fan unless--" would never leave my mouth. Just say it aloud, it sounds ridiculously stupid.

I will, however, side eye, under certain, more extreme circumstances. If you claim to be a Metroid fan, and you've only ever played and enjoyed Other M, you're gonna get a funny look from myself, and likely other fans as well. Stuff like that. I gave my friend a bit of shit for being hyped for Metroid Prime 4, yet having practically no interest in playing through the trilogy beforehand.
 

J75

Member
Sep 29, 2018
6,613
I'm glad we have mostly moved on from the dreaded "if you don't play on the hardest difficulty setting you are not a true gamer"

Incredibly cringeworthy when it does pop up though.
 

mrfusticle

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,548
I blame the American "customer is always right" fallacy and the Internet. It's considered normal to be like Cathy Bates in Misery these days.
 

justiceiro

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
6,664
To be honest, I'm more worried about the fan mentality toward commercial products than who is a true fan or not. Be proud of being called "not a fan" of any game. Games is just enterteiniment. No one should love something that is in a shelf with a price.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,856
Mount Airy, MD
As a lifelong fan of Final Fantasy, this shit drives me fucking crazy. I can't count the number of times I've seen fellow "fans" tell someone they don't *really* like FF if their favorite is one of the more recent ones, and often it's couple with "I bet that was your first one" or some shit like that. It's goddamn annoying.