Damn being a sports fan is expensiveSpeaking of the Chargers new ticket prices:
Compare to the Rams:
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NFL tickets are not cheap.
But honestly even the Rams seat licenses aren't nearly as bad in as say Nebraska football's donation levels for season tickets, etc.
Prices like that make Blackout rules so unfair. I hate having to explain them when I worked for a cable company
Gotta show these cities that they mean business when they say "Give us a stadium, or else...".
Speaking of the Chargers new ticket prices:
Compare to the Rams:
Yep. I know the average Seahawks ticket price is now completely insane. It's one of the reasons I haven't been to a game in years and won't ever again unless someone hands them to me for free. I think watching games at home is a better experience, anyway.
The difference between the Rams and Chargers tickets is hilarious.
The Raiders are moving there next season. Maybe 2020 actually.
The Raiders are going to move there and hope that people will pay hundreds of dollars to watch Jon Gruden.
Yeah Seahawks are one of the "omg on fire" NFL markets, along with Cowboys, Packers, and Patriots. Those tickets are all obscenely priced on the secondary market.
San Francisco would be similar if they were good, and if the 49ers hadn't taken all the meat off the bone with the PSL and high game pricing.
Also folks those charts above don't show VIP / Club seating for Rams/Chargers, which are ridiculous ($350 per game, plus 5-6 figure PSLs)
Yeah, and as great as those years were, as much history as the Chargers had in San Diego, back to Fouts and Air Coryell, back to Unitas and Allworth, telling Dean Spanos to go **** himself was the right thing to do. His deal would have been a disaster for San Diego. The city is better off spending that money on infrastructure, on education, on services, not on a billion dollar stadium to increase profits for a billionaire.
The NFL doesn't use their blackout rules anymore, no NFL game has been blacked out since the 2013 season.
I looked it up a bit ago - the average Seahawks ticket on the secondary market is $466. Who's buying these I don't know except it sure as hell isn't me.
Too be fair when I worked there digital cable boxes were rare
Yup. That's why i voted no for the stadium. Fuck Spanos. He is trash with no scruples who doesn't care about this city.
The Cardinals fill up the Arizona spot nicely.Not that it's working with LA at all, but a problem with moving the Chargers to a Midwest market, despite that the owners would never do it because of the small size, is that midwest markets are their primary competition in the AFC West. Denver and Kansas City (The Chargers' primary divisional rivals) already cover most of the Midwest that doesn't already have a franchise:
(this is old, 2014 data pre Chargers and Rams move. Rams made sense because at least they had been in LA prior to moving back to St. Louis)
The only states in the Midwest / eastern rockies could be like a Nebraska or Iowa, but Omaha/Nebraska is already a college football state, and same with Iowa, and they're super small states population wise with little identity outside of their colleges. Of these I think Omaha is the only somewhat realistic move, but it'd still never realistically happen. The remaining states mostly already have teams, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Indiana aren't going to root for a new California transplant team over the Chiefs, Vikings, Packers, Bears, or Colts. East of the Mississippi in the center/east midwest, Ohio already has two teams and the Lions are an institution for Michigan despite sucking.
Toronto is an option but Toronto is reserved for an eventual Bills move, because if the Charges moved to Toronto it would kill the Bills, one of the original teams and one of the most dedicated owners in the NFL to their home cities (Ralph Wilson).
Realistically Portland could have been an option but it's hard with Seattle being a 2.5 hour drive away... Especially in 2014, the Seahawks were on top of the NFL and seemed like a franchise with staying power over the whole region.
Ultimately, San Diego was the right choice, but the owners and league are stupid.
Also can we please just all laugh at the Jets with the asterisk in this photo?
"The New York Jets do not have a plurality of fans in any US county."
(give it a few years and if Darnold continues to be good, and the Giants continue to be bad, suddenly New York will be a Jets city again)
That was Alex Spanos. His son Dean is the one everybody hates.
Any expansion/franchise move to London will be a disaster for both the NFL and the sport in the UK.
The popularity of the sport has already hit a peak here. The sport is not mainstream enough for a permanent team here.
They played in one of the worst stadiums in Football they needed to get a new stadium.
Jets are pretty popular in the city but remember The Giants had a 34 year head start.
They blew it by ditching San Diego. Feel like the fanbase there just had to be catered to with better marketing, a new stadium, and a playoff year.
My Rams have been doing better every year in LA and people seem to be wearing more gear as the years go on. Wonder if the chargers consider moving elsewhere? Maybe the NFL finds a way to move em back? Or elsewhere? San Antonio, Portland, and Vancouver all seem pretty legit.
My Rams have been doing better every year in LA and people seem to be wearing more gear as the years go on. Wonder if the chargers consider moving elsewhere? Maybe the NFL finds a way to move em back? Or elsewhere? San Antonio, Portland, and Vancouver all seem pretty legit.
Problem is Dallas/Houston doesn't want them in San Antonio. Seattle doesn't want them in Portland/Vancouver. It's a mess wherever they move because the other teams do not want them nearby.
I can't see what other city they can go to. Either stay where they are or move back to SD. My guess is they will ride it out in LA
I see similar issue with this as a post earlier in the thread, which talked about people watching Chargers games in LA but not necessarily Chargers fans.
The NFL will sell 60,000-80,000 tickets at White Hart Lane & Wembley 8x a year, I don't doubt that. Getting people to buy into a single team as a viable, long term thing I think is less clear.
They'll sell the tickets, people will watch the games and the market will make the league money. But if engagement with and the viability of the team itself is an issue in LA then I think it'll also be in London (with obvious other complications to consider).
I disagree. I think a proper NFL team would take off massively. They got 35000 a game to watch the London Monarchs in what was essentially a joke league. All it takes is the commitment to do it properly.
In an era where the game is in a negative trend in America, European expansion has been a white hot burning star of success comparatively.
Logistics and players throwing thier toys out of the pram are the only real issues.
As I said above I don't think ticket sales are a problem. The market is here to sell 60,000 at Tottenham and/or 80,000 at Wembley 8x a year, without question.
I just don't know if I see long term viability, in terms of the team being worth a shit to people. Most of the people who I know who follow the sport are pretty damn passionate about it, and already have their teams set. The way "franchises" move in the US is also much more alien to us in the UK and is treated as a cardinal sin in soccer. People here are more serious about the teams they support than I think many realise. I honestly don't know if I see UK based Seahawks, 49ers, Patriots or whoever fans dropping that support in favour of a London team. They'll buy the tickets and go to the games to watch the sport, but are people going to en-masse start buying London Chargers or London Jaguars jerseys?
The bandwagon is huge don't get me wrong, I don't think it'd be an issue at first. Long term I just don't know if I see it, and think we might see a situation the Chargers are in now where people are buying the tickets but to watch either the sport itself or the other team.
Deadspin staff:
"What jersey would a charger fan wear? Rivers?"
"Yeah"
"Anyone else?"
"Seau? Tomlinson"
"Those guys haven't played in 10 years, and Seau shot himself likely due to CTE but ok. Need one more"
"....Rivers?"
The Rams suck the last decade they were in St. Louis, move to LA and became a SB contender in less than 3 years...would love to here the opinions of St.Louis fans who abandon the team...
