Taxpayers aren't paying for the Inglewood stadium.
Between USC/UCLA, the Rams, and the RAIDERNATION, there's not much room left for a San Diego team.
There's 14 million people in the region. Someone might be able to make some money from that.
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NFL owners already discussing Chargers’ viability in LA, expected revenue down from $400m to $150m
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Taxpayers aren't paying for the Inglewood stadium.
Between USC/UCLA, the Rams, and the RAIDERNATION, there's not much room left for a San Diego team.
There's 14 million people in the region. Someone might be able to make some money from that.
You're right. Here in Vegas, the Chargers were the "local" team that got broadcast, and there are a fair number of fans. That's true of a lot of teams, but I do think there's a good chance the Chargers would've done well here.
Vegas is hungry for pro sports, even if most people here already have a favorite team. The Raiders are going to make bank here, even if they suck. You'd think they were already here with all the merch, signs, and promos.
The rebrand is a must, IMO. It's not like the Chargers have a rich history of winning and championships, so there is no reason not to.
Move somewhere completely new, and start fresh as a new franchise.
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The Chargers are the Clippers of LA football.
Even worse is when a Chargers game is on the same time as a big national game on Fox, the local Fox station puts paid programming on instead of the national game so LA people are forced to tune to CBS and watch the Chargers. The Raiders/Seahawks game didn't air in LA this past Sunday because the Chargers game was on at the same time, but on a different network.
Even worse is when a Chargers game is on the same time as a big national game on Fox, the local Fox station puts paid programming on instead of the national game so LA people are forced to tune to CBS and watch the Chargers. The Raiders/Seahawks game didn't air in LA this past Sunday because the Chargers game was on at the same time, but on a different network.
It is inevitable, since the Raiders are moving in in 2020(possibly even sooner)
It's been really surprising how many seats are being sold in the coliseum now.
Yeah, that was bullshit, especially since CBS never seems to air the Championship team that actually plays in front of capacity crowds on that field.
Also, given the huge amount of RAIDERSFANs still in the area, it would make more sense to air their games instead of these hobos from San Diego. I imagine when the Raiders finally get spun-up in Vegas, there's going to be a huge contingent of LA fans attending those games.
We also have two futbol teams: Galaxy and LAFC, and as far as I'm aware they have no issues with attendance or fan enthusiasm.
I know Raiders season ticket holders who live here in SoCal and still go to Oakland for every home game. Vegas is a normal weekend trip here. Of course there's going to be a ton of LA people there every Sunday.
Jerruh would kill any owner who even suggested that.
Literally. No way he lets anyone touch his territory.
In lieu of that, send them back to San Diego and make Spanos pay for the stadium on his own as punishment.
*cough* Omaha *cough*
Seriously though, Omaha isn't a big enough market to support a pro football team nowadays. Even though people fucking pack Memorial Stadium in Lincoln for a shitty product every Saturday. I know I would've killed for a team here when I was growing up.
I will say though, that the fanbase would be ride or die.
the other owners would never agree to this because it could happen to them.
I was looking at tickets to watch them play the Packers, but $300 a pop was a little too rich for my blood. I think that's a sign that they're doing well.
You'd think there'd be a ton of promotional tix and stuff in the area for Chargers games to try and build some kind of relationship with the locals and fill those empty seats, but they really don't seem to care.
Rivers isn't appreciably worse than Brees was though. He just never won because we sucked around him.
No, but Brees is still quite a bit superior. It's all a revisionist take either way.
I'm still salty they left SD. I used to have season tickets. I stopped watching them until this season but there's no way I'm making the drive up to L.A. to watch a game. Hopefully it works out for them though would hate to see them rebrand or move again.
They're trying. They suck at it and are stupid but think they are the smartest.
Lot of good points in this thread, but it's also worth noting that the NFL overall is hurting pretty bad. Poor time to start a new team or relocate anywhere, frankly.
Must be why the Rams and Raiders failed and left, and now the Chargers are failing. Sorry, but a 25% success record isn't very promising.
(and yes, I meant NFL originally)
And my personal quirk of refering to them as "The San Diego-North Chargers" continues to pay dividends.
You're not wrong; but Rivers is in a unique situation where his predecessor, as well as rival QBs from his draft class, all won a SuperBowl while he has not.
At least the Rams has over 40 years of history in L.A. moving the chargers was such a stupid move. Maybe they can move them back to San Diego or even Oakland when the Raiders leave.
It's still dumb though because in the NBA the Clippers are an afterthought there unless their winning or the Lakers have a down year.
Raiders "failed" in LA because Al was unable to get a new stadium like he was promised when he moved there in the early 80s. Oakland promised him a new stadium in the mid 90s and he opted to take the deal, unknowing that he would never get that stadium either. Also the Raiders had a problem of trying to sell out the 100k seating Coliseum, which was nearly impossible and thus led to Raiders games being regularly blacked out in the LA area(the NFL no longer uses their blackout policy so this isn't an issue anymore). It's more complicated than "LA fans didn't support the Raiders", because they did and still do.
I don't know the Rams whole deal but I thought they moved once they got a new owner who wished to bring an NFL team back to St. Louis after the Cardinals left, and she moved the Rams.
The Chargers are a great team but probably the worst team in the NFL to move out there. They don't draw much.
i have no doubt somebody in an owner's meeting had our exchange irl
The Chargers won't move to Oakland, who would pay for the stadium? Oakland ain't got the money for that. And what are they gonna do, move into the Oakland Coliseum, an even worse venue than what they left behind in San Diego?
as a Chargers season ticket holder (well, for now... probably dropping my Carson tickets after this year) - it's pretty bad.
They gravely miscalculated going the "hyper premium" route with the soccer stadium. You need to make new fans here in LA. The Rams played in a cavern that was super cheap (literally tickets were worthless at the end of 2016), and then got good.
LA also hasn't figured out just how good the Chargers are yet (spoiler: very). So it may shift if they continue their run here down the stretch.
But back to my point - the season ticket prices aren't bad considering they only have 100/200 level tickets, but the resale has been terrible even at those prices. Supposedly VIP / Club level seats weren't selling at all.
Their just released full stadium seat chart is HYPER cheap. The upper levels have a PSL price of $100. That's basically a 10 dollar surcharge per game on your first season. By far cheaper than the Rams (nose bleed PSL is $1000. 50 yard line upper deck is $4000 PSL). If they can tank the concession prices (Falcons style) they can play as the "family alternative" in LA and they might be able to make it work.
Regardless, it won't be the big bucks they were expecting, and it'll be the classic situation of being the Clippers to the Rams' Lakers.
They gravely miscalculated going the "hyper premium" route with the soccer stadium. You need to make new fans here in LA. The Rams played in a cavern that was super cheap (literally tickets were worthless at the end of 2016), and then got good.
LA also hasn't figured out just how good the Chargers are yet (spoiler: very). So it may shift if they continue their run here down the stretch.
But back to my point - the season ticket prices aren't bad considering they only have 100/200 level tickets, but the resale has been terrible even at those prices. Supposedly VIP / Club level seats weren't selling at all.
Their just released full stadium seat chart is HYPER cheap. The upper levels have a PSL price of $100. That's basically a 10 dollar surcharge per game on your first season. By far cheaper than the Rams (nose bleed PSL is $1000. 50 yard line upper deck is $4000 PSL). If they can tank the concession prices (Falcons style) they can play as the "family alternative" in LA and they might be able to make it work.
Regardless, it won't be the big bucks they were expecting, and it'll be the classic situation of being the Clippers to the Rams' Lakers.
I mean, he's not a HOF QB, but he's a very good one and if the team had routinely been as good as the 14-2 team Brees had I think he'd be in the conversation for that.
Rivers is 100% a hall of fame QB. He's 8th all time in passing yards, 6th all time in passing TDs, 8th all time in Passer Rating. And he's still looking like he can put up numbers for another 2-3 seasons at least. Granted those numbers are going to get more and more inflated with the rule changes and emphasis on offense as time goes on, but I think he'll retire at a point where it's still going to look impressive.
Look up his stats. He's massively underrated because he didn't win a superbowl, but his stats put him in the HOF easily.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/history/leaders/_/stat/passyards
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm
Rivers is an all-time great QB who got shackled by bad luck and shitty management. He carried the Chargers into contending seasons almost single-handed (plus Antonio Gates) more than once. Guy deserves recognition.
He is easily the best QB of that vaunted class (Eli, Big Ben) he just doesn't have the same kind of team postseason success, but neither did Jim Kelly and Dan marino and that didn't prevent them from the Hall of Fame. Rivers is super underrated.
The clippers have had higher attendance than the lakers since 2011. Yes, I know price factors are in play, but thats clearly a fan base.
Agree
Tomlinson, Rivers, and Gates all deserved a ring but bad luck, bad coaching, and bad management said "no". Not to mention some cheap shots and dirty play from Broncos and Patriots defenses in the mid late 2000s playoffs. I still remember low shots that sent players hobbling off the field. In Rivers case, he stayed in and hobbled around and still played well because he'd never give up in a playoff game. Hell, he never gives up on any game. Look at his consecutive games played streak, the 4th longest in NFL QB history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...rts_by_a_National_Football_League_quarterback
Rivers is going into the HOF. No question. His stats alone qualify. That's not even talking about his professionalism, leadership, or whatnot. He's also just a genuinely good person, never mired in controversy or any other BS.
god I remember watching those play off games. Rivers went on the field while being hurt and played like a fucking warrior.