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Does Switch need folders?

  • Yes

    Votes: 177 35.0%
  • JackNicholsonYes.gif

    Votes: 127 25.1%
  • Yes... And themes, don't forget the new themes.

    Votes: 212 42.0%
  • I like to live in the chaos.

    Votes: 95 18.8%
  • Folder 2: The Dark UI

    Votes: 59 11.7%

  • Total voters
    505
  • Poll closed .

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Does Ittle Dew 2+ on Switch still have performance issues and bad loading times? Trying to decide whether to play on Switch or PC.
 

HotHamBoy

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I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode? The game ran at 720p on PS3.
 

plebc

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Okami HD is 25% off - $15 now.

I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode?

How does it compare to VC4 in handheld mode?
 

TheMoon

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I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode? The game ran at 720p on PS3.
doesn't =! can't
 

HotHamBoy

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Well let's just agree that an upsetting number of Switch ports, whether they be big studio efforts or little indies, are frustratingly sub-par and fail to meet expectations.

Mark of the Ninja runs at 30fps, for chris's sake.

When the issues are that wide spread it's pretty clear to me that optimization on Switch is difficult, not that developers aren't trying.
 
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I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode? The game ran at 720p on PS3.
I don't know. Why are there previous generation ports that run poorly on newer systems, such as the Jak and Daxter Trilogy on the Vita or, initially, the Zone of the Enders port on the PS3? Sometimes it's on the developers, either for being unable or just simply being inexperienced with the hardware. There are plenty of last gen ports that do run and/or look better on the Switch or at least as good, more so than the number that are worse
 

NateDrake

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I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode? The game ran at 720p on PS3.
The Switch version is based on the PS4 remastered version and not the PS3 original.
 

HotHamBoy

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I don't know. Why are there previous generation ports that run poorly on newer systems, such as the Jak and Daxter Trilogy on the Vita or, initially, the Zone of the Enders port on the PS3?
Those weren't straight ports from PS2 to Vita, those were the "HD" games and Vita was only a little more powerful than a PS2.

The PS3 was notoriously difficult to work with.

In fact, let's consider the hardware architecture. Cerny endevored to make sure PS4 didn't have the issues that prior Playstations had. I may be wrong, but from what I've heard the Nintendo platforms have also been difficult to work with.

So it's not that the console isnt theoretically powerful, it's more that it's difficult to take advantage of that power.

The Switch version is based on the PS4 remastered version and not the PS3 original.
I remember reading the opposite.
Would love confirmation
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Those weren't straight ports from PS2 to Vita, those were the "HD" games and Vita was only a little more powerful than a PS2.

The PS3 was notoriously difficult to work with.

In fact, let's consider the hardware architecture. Cerny endevored to make sure PS4 didn't have the issues that prior Playstations had. I may be wrong, but from what I've heard the Nintendo platforms have also been difficult to work with.

So it's not that the console isnt theoretically powerful, it's more that it's difficult to take advantage of that power.
Right, so there are other factors to consider, besides just hardware capabilities. That's mainly what I was trying to get at. I mean, most previous generation ports on the Switch are, at worst, on par with the last gen versions so I think it's mainly an issue in some cases here and there
 

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I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode? The game ran at 720p on PS3.

Dark Souls is a sub-HD game on PS3. On Switch, it's 720p in portable mode and 1080p docked. And has significantly improved framerate performance.

When we actually know Switch's specs compared to last gen platforms, it seems pretty stupid to look at some random port and question if Switch "is as powerful as people claim". I mean....really? The likely scenario is this game was a relatively low priority for Sega and wasn't fully optimized for both docked and portable modes.
 

Solid Dude

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Dec 1, 2017
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I picked up Valkyria Chronicles 1 and I'm a little disappointed in the undocked resolution. It's blurry as hell on top of the aliasing and combined with the game's filter everything is muddy as hell.

Once again I must ask: if the Switch is as powerful as people claim then why can't it run this early PS3 game in 720p in handheld mode? The game ran at 720p on PS3.

This is SO disappointing. If the undocked resolution is really that low, I'll be holding off on buying it.
 

HotHamBoy

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This is SO disappointing. If the undocked resolution is really that low, I'll be holding off on buying it.
I'd say resolution is on par with Mario x Rabbids. I don't think it's worth skipping the game, ot plays fine and $20 is a great price. But just be prepared for it to look blurry.

I think it's worse because of the cell-shaded style and the colored pencil filter. It's really muddy, it probably wouldn't look as bad as it does if it was a different aesthetic.

I was fully expecting 720p undocked and 1080p docked - wonder why it can't reach that...
I don't know, especially since it's 30fps.
 

HotHamBoy

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How does it compare to VC4 in handheld mode?


I thought VC4 looked pretty great undocked. Surely VC1 can't be worse?

It does look worse - considerably worse.

I just tried the demo for Valkyria Chronicles 4 undocked and was shocked to see what appears to be 720p with some nice anti-aliasing. Everything looks crisp and clear and detailed.

Going back to Valkyria Chronicles 1 and the difference is immediate. Clearly sub-native resolution, very blurry by comparison, with no anti-aliasing at all.
 

BRSxIgnition

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I really don't understand why that happened considering the sequel with more detailed characters and geometry can run at a higher resolution.
 

HeRinger

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Oct 28, 2017
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It does look worse - considerably worse.

I just tried the demo for Valkyria Chronicles 4 undocked and was shocked to see what appears to be 720p with some nice anti-aliasing. Everything looks crisp and clear and detailed.

Going back to Valkyria Chronicles 1 and the difference is immediate. Clearly sub-native resolution, very blurry by comparison, with no anti-aliasing at all.
That's really surprising.

I guess VC1 was a quick port.
 

//ARCANUM

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Does anyone know if Diablo 3 has preload if i preorder on the eshop? Gonna be at blizzcon nov 2 and I want to play while I'm there. Don't wanna bank on hotel WiFi / phone hotspot for the big download.
 

HotHamBoy

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Are the resolutions of the screenshots the actual display resolutions?

I just took some undocked screens of both games.

Valkyria Chronicles 4
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Valkyria Chronicles 1
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In other news, TIL that 675p is good enough for me, at least on the handheld screen. But lower than that is where it gets noticeable.
 
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Nabbit

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Does The End Is Nigh need the dpad, or was it designed with analogue stick in mind? And if the former, how do the buttons hold up? I found the analogue stick fine with Celeste fwiw.

I beat it fine with the analogue stick. I'm not sure which style is recommended by the devs, but I thought it was fine with just the stick.

I really struggled with my first play of Celeste with the stick. My diagonals were so hit and miss. Used the D-pad second time and it was so much easier for me. I bought the Hori joy-con which is up several notches over the standard d-pad.

In reading your posts I realized I had a huge brain fart when I posted before about Celeste. I've played it using the analog stick the entire time. That's where my failed inputs came in. When I've failed too much with the stick I've occasionally used the Joy-Con d-pad for clearer directional inputs. Sorry for the previous erroneous post on my part! FWIW I believe I read somewhere that it was designed with the stick in mind but as these posts show each person's experience may differ. Either way I've played mostly with the stick and I've loved playing the game.

Shout out to Alastor3 in case you had read my previous post. Sorry about that.
 
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OrakioRob

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I'm not very picky when it comes to graphics and if you try to fool me saying a 720p game is a 1080p game I'll believe you right away.

That said, I clearly noticed the lack of anti-aliasing in docked VC1 almost immediately. I don't really care and I definitely don't think people should give up on the game because of that, but the issue is pretty obvious.
 

plebc

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Are the resolutions of the screenshots the actual display resolutions?

I just took some undocked screens of both games.

Valkyria Chronicles 4
1200x675
Dpv4DfuVAAAn63X

Dpv4Df9VAAEpm3W


Valkyria Chronicles 1
900x506
Dpv38haUYAEEFu7

Dpv38hPUcAA-mzA


In other news, TIL that 675p is good enough for me, at least on the handheld screen. But lower than that is where it gets noticeable.
Wow, those differences are really drastic. I guess it was much harder to port the older engine?

Also, does anyone knows what is the resolution in handheld mode in Starlink?
 

Opa-Pa

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Yeah, guess VC1 is a hard pass for me. No interest in paying for a subpar version of a game when it should be the complete opposite. I mean the game was a looker thanks to its unique style, now it suffers because of it.

Guess this is why Sega has been so quiet about this port. Having to be so cautious with Switch ports is getting old.
 

HotHamBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Woof.

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Yeah, guess VC1 is a hard pass for me. No interest in paying for a subpar version of a game when it should be the complete opposite. I mean the game was a looker thanks to its unique style, now it suffers because of it.

Guess this is why Sega has been so quiet about this port. Having to be so cautious with Switch ports is getting old.
I really like having games on a handheld so I'm not too upset about my $20, it's still a great game I can take anywhere now.

I'm just bummed and I know other people who are more concerned with these things would want the heads up.
 

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Looks really good. Normally $14.99 but if you pre-purchase from the eShop before launch, it's 33% off, which makes it $9.99.
 

1upsuper

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I've been really looking forward to Sinner but I'm still unsure whether I should go Switch or PS4. Is there any word on Switch performance?

Tomorrow's a pretty packed day. I'm super excited for Black Bird! And judging by the JPN eShop we'll probably get Strikers 1945 Plus (woo! Now we just need Strikers 1945 III AKA 1999) and Sengoku Cannon (nice to have the whole trilogy in one place is about the only compliment I can give this game). And my friend tells me I have to finally play Will: A Wonderful World.
 
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I'm looking forward to seeing what people think of Black Bird (comes out tomorrow). I actually picked up Million Onion Hotel on iOS earlier in the week and it's really fun and does a good job of working the bizarre worldbuilding into its mechanics, and the trailer for Black Bird looks really promising in a similar way. The humor in Onion Hotel is uhhhh very hit-or-miss for me though, like it's almost mid-00s Newgrounds type stuff at times.

20 dollars puts it slightly outside of a 'just try it' price range for me, so I'll probably wait for others' impressions.
 

1upsuper

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I'm looking forward to seeing what people think of Black Bird (comes out tomorrow). I actually picked up Million Onion Hotel on iOS earlier in the week and it's really fun and does a good job of working the bizarre worldbuilding into its mechanics, and the trailer for Black Bird looks really promising in a similar way. The humor in Onion Hotel is uhhhh very hit-or-miss for me though, like it's almost mid-00s Newgrounds type stuff at times.

20 dollars puts it slightly outside of a 'just try it' price range for me, so I'll probably wait for others' impressions.

I think it's a pretty safe purchase. Love-de-lic produced some truly wonderful games, and Black Bird is the latest project from a former LDL dev.
 

HotHamBoy

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judging by the JPN eShop we'll probably get Strikers 1945 Plus (woo! Now we just need Strikers 1945 III AKA 1999)

1945 Plus coming via Hamster's ACA, not Zerodiv, so there will be online leaderboards.

1999 is Zerodiv's responsibility, though.

And Sengoku Cannon (nice to have the whole trilogy in one place is about the only compliment I can give this game)

It cannot be stressed enough just how BAD Sengoku Cannon is.

It's really not good, guys. Do not be taken in by the branding or Tsukasa Jun's beautiful (and lewd...) art. The gameplay and graphics are atrocious.
 

1upsuper

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1945 Plus coming via Hamster's ACA, not Zerodiv, so there will be online leaderboards.

1999 is Zerodiv's responsibility, though.



It cannot be stressed enough just how BAD Sengoku Cannon is.

It's really not good, guys. Do not be taken in by the branding or Tsukasa Jun's beautiful (and lewd...) art. The gameplay and graphics are atrocious.
The PSP got some shitty sequels nobody wanted, like that middling Cho Aniki sequel that wasn't actually weird or good enough to make it at all notable.

But yeah, Tsukasa Jun's art is literally the ONLY good thing about Cannon. The game is trash and the Switch has way better shmups. Only get it if you're a diehard Sengoku fan. If anyone hasn't played them but is interested, get Tengai, which is a great horizontal shmup, and it has Tsukasa's art.
 

JamesQuall

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Looks really good. Normally $14.99 but if you pre-purchase from the eShop before launch, it's 33% off, which makes it $9.99.


Came in to see if a price had been announced for this. Easy pre order at $10. Can't wait.

I'm looking forward to seeing what people think of Black Bird (comes out tomorrow). I actually picked up Million Onion Hotel on iOS earlier in the week and it's really fun and does a good job of working the bizarre worldbuilding into its mechanics, and the trailer for Black Bird looks really promising in a similar way. The humor in Onion Hotel is uhhhh very hit-or-miss for me though, like it's almost mid-00s Newgrounds type stuff at times.

20 dollars puts it slightly outside of a 'just try it' price range for me, so I'll probably wait for others' impressions.


Woah... This also looks real good. Thought Million Onion Hotel was pretty great, even though I'm not sure I ever fully grasped all of it.

Another busy month!
 

NateDrake

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I've been really looking forward to Sinner but I'm still unsure whether I should go Switch or PS4. Is there any word on Switch performance?

Tomorrow's a pretty packed day. I'm super excited for Black Bird! And judging by the JPN eShop we'll probably get Strikers 1945 Plus (woo! Now we just need Strikers 1945 III AKA 1999) and Sengoku Cannon (nice to have the whole trilogy in one place is about the only compliment I can give this game). And my friend tells me I have to finally play Will: A Wonderful World.
Sinner is 30fps on Switch and I had some minor drops in my playtime. I have a PS4 vs. Switch comparison up for the title, if that interests you.