I think so. Tucker Carlson gets shouted down at these places too.
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Is going to a brothel ok?
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I think so. Tucker Carlson gets shouted down at these places too.
I'm pro-sex workers, but I'd never really use a service.
My stance is that if you can research a reputable one that is above board, go for it. Or support independent ones that are above board as well. There used to be sites here in the US, I think, but they all got shut down due to some law.
My stance is that if you can research a reputable one that is above board, go for it. Or support independent ones that are above board as well. There used to be sites here in the US, I think, but they all got shut down due to some law.
To me, no. The industry lives and breathes through exploitation and even the most legal brothel where all workers chose to be there, lol let's even say they dreamed of growing up and being a sex worker, even then, you're using a human's body as a tool. Which is gross.
You could argue that hiring workers to build a house or plumbing would entail using them as tools. It's simply a service.
Who's at fault the dealer or the buyer? It's a chicken and egg situation.
Physically manipulating someone's body for your own pleasure is a tad different than paying a laborer.
imo, both.
What about going to a spa and getting a massage (a normal one) : you're being physically manipulated for your own pleasure.
Not that much different. One could even argue that with prositution, you sometimes even share the pleasure with the service provider (assuming the service is provided freely and not coerced by a pimp or something).
But in the end, the odds of finding such service (as in : provided freely and not coerced in any way) are too low for even considering it.
prostitution is legalized in singapore but highly regulated and controlled with only a certain number of licensed brothels and prostitutes allowed.
That's what I would be ok with. I think in general too many places in Europe where it's legal, are too lax when it comes to regulating brothels. It should be carefully controlled and monitored.
If the worker is selective about who they see then it can be pleasurable for them, and £100 an hour for probably 15 minutes of actual sex isn't too bad either.
As long as it's safe and regulated then I don't see any problem with it. I think a lot of the stigma against prostitution is left over from puritan values, at least in the USA. That and a lot of the bills there purporting to be against trafficking are Trojan horses for other restrictive policies for not just voluntary sex workers but also unrelated things like websites.
I take some issue with this. If I took this literally, you'd have a problem with massages too, which I'm sure it not the case. So it's maybe less about using the body as a tool, and more about using the body in a way or for an act that you perceive as 'special', that you find gross.
This may be what you meant, but either way, I feel that this is purely subjective, so if someone doesn't think it's gross, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to do it
So I have a friend who for a period of 4-5 months worked at a brothel. She came from a happy family of dad, mom and her twin sister. She had moved away from home a couple of years earlier and was now living in the big city. She had recently started studying thus having to give up her fulltime job.
She loved sex and was tired of not having any money for shopping sprees and other fun stuff after starting her education. That was why she got a gig at the brothel - she was not forced and financially could make ends meet without selling her body. She was 18 at the time.
The stories she would tell me while working there were incredible. All kinds of people visit these places. Some are quite ordinary while others have the weirdest fetishes. She told me of one of their regulars who paid extra to have them keep the used condoms of the other customers, put the contents into a syringe and then inject the stuf into his anus. I didn't even know that was a thing. Even though the girls had pretty much seen it all they were in agreement that this was just too gross - not to mention dangerous. So they kept a substitute fake-goo in the fridge which they used whenever he came around.
I think she stopped being a prostitute because she started to enjoy sex less because it was "a job" and she didn't want it to ever feel like a routine. Also not all customers look like Richard Gere.
*edit*: Forgot to mention that I of course tried to discourage her when she told me she was considering becoming a prostitute. I mentioned all the possible drawbacks I could think of. But she decided to do it anyway.
She loved sex and was tired of not having any money for shopping sprees and other fun stuff after starting her education. That was why she got a gig at the brothel - she was not forced and financially could make ends meet without selling her body. She was 18 at the time.
The stories she would tell me while working there were incredible. All kinds of people visit these places. Some are quite ordinary while others have the weirdest fetishes. She told me of one of their regulars who paid extra to have them keep the used condoms of the other customers, put the contents into a syringe and then inject the stuf into his anus. I didn't even know that was a thing. Even though the girls had pretty much seen it all they were in agreement that this was just too gross - not to mention dangerous. So they kept a substitute fake-goo in the fridge which they used whenever he came around.
I think she stopped being a prostitute because she started to enjoy sex less because it was "a job" and she didn't want it to ever feel like a routine. Also not all customers look like Richard Gere.
*edit*: Forgot to mention that I of course tried to discourage her when she told me she was considering becoming a prostitute. I mentioned all the possible drawbacks I could think of. But she decided to do it anyway.
Jesus, I think I would refuse to do that even if the money was good.
Yes I too think a great way to have a conversation on a topic is to kick it off with name calling.
You should calm down. There is no reason for you to be this riled up. Admit you made a bad post and move on with your life.
Don't even try that: you tried to tell me to stay in my lane on something I didn't even say. Don't try to play victim now. Too late for that. Epic failure on your part.
Number one rule with me: don't ever accuse me of doing something I never did. If you have anything else you'd like to say to me, take it to the PMs. I'm not gonna derail the thread because of you.
Excuse me, everyone.
Why single out Germany, lol. It's legal in many countries, including most of German's neighbours
The Netherlands is the only country in the world that even has a dedicated union for prostitutes
Hmm... Never really thought about this before. Let's see...
For me personally, no, primarily because I don't want to support a service that's harmful to the people who provide it. But I've heard people argue that what's really needed is for said industry to be widely accepted and regulated so that those who want to participate in it can be guaranteed safety and good working conditions, and I could see that side of it— if I had any faith in the people of my country to not be selfish hypocrites lacking in empathy, and I don't, so... I guess my answer is a firm "no".
For me personally, no, primarily because I don't want to support a service that's harmful to the people who provide it. But I've heard people argue that what's really needed is for said industry to be widely accepted and regulated so that those who want to participate in it can be guaranteed safety and good working conditions, and I could see that side of it— if I had any faith in the people of my country to not be selfish hypocrites lacking in empathy, and I don't, so... I guess my answer is a firm "no".
Or surrogates who help a lot of women who could never have babies have one. But as you said, one person finding it gross is only telling you more about them.
Because liberalism usually leans on autonomy/freedom of choice.
Therefore, lots of feminists will be pro-sex work, including pro-porn. It doesn't mean there aren't issues in such industries, it means you support someone at the point of entry (no jokes pls)/initial choice and if something works out for them/they avoid problems in the industry/they aren't forced then it really doesn't become any of your business anymore to pull them down/tell them what they shouldn't be doing.
Sex is a part of life/humanity, some people are going to find ways to or want to monetize sex. It'll be this way until we go extinct. It's more important to regulate and tackle problems than it is to be heavy-handed in moralizing/banning/denying.
But no, it's not easy to do any of that given the massive amount of issues in these industries.
Never said otherwise. Said it's not ok with me. If someone feels the need to pay someone to have sex with them, fine.
Yea.. It tells you I am a person who is not fond of the sex work industry.
What did I just say? Why did you requote the message, but leave out the part where I specifically stated that? That's kinda weird.
Ok Hitler.
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Yeah, but you said it's because using a body as a tool is gross, which I think isn't the case if you look at out examples.
Unless you also wouldn't get a massage for that reason.
I think it also says something about how a person views sex. Not in a judging way, it just makes obvious it sex holds a special position, or if it is something that is ethical to sell and buy like many other actions.
We all use our bodies or minds as tools for profit. Using ones for sex should not be viewed any different.
Thus was not a comment supporting trafficking or exploitation. Just pointing out that we all prostitute ourselves out in some way. We just don't look at it this way.
So the independent escorts who enjoy their work don't have agency?
This kind of thinking is so backwards.
Porn stars seem to get a pass in this for some reason. Thats 2 people or more being paid to have sex with each other and the actors make the smallest profit.
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I know, I know. I should just let someone insinuate I am backseat modding and then continue to put words in my mouth. Of course. Maybe I should stand on one leg and serve him a plate of food while I'm at it?
If you went to like, Amsterdam or whatever that's one thing (still don't like it). If you fly over to say, Thailand as a "sex tourist" and do it there, you are most likely exploiting and are garbage.
You're overreacting at this point and you're only going to get yourself a warning or something. Not worth it mate.
No you should just have some degree of self awareness about everything you're typing and how it reads to normal people
Are you ok? No seriously...this is an outrageous outburst.
So now the implication is that I'm not normal. Great.
Yea, no. Not happening today. I'll get
And that will be that but not before I say what I gotta say. You're not putting words in my mouth. It's just not gonna happen. I promise you it won't.