Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck are Superman and Batman no more. WB looking for a new Batman.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, DC needs to go full "fuck continuity" and start letting their creators go wild with DC properties. Remove JL references from Aquaman and Shazam. Let Aquaman movies only be in continuity with other Aquaman films, etc. Let Reeves do his Batman and with his own new Joker. Let Leto do a joker movie with his own version. Let joaquin phoenix make a sequel to his own Joker movie. Let Batfleck do Red Son. Make a Justice League movie with it's own cast. Do Kingdom Come.

Would be nice for a Flashpoint alt-reality movie to be the big bang that starts all of this, but since Flashpoint keeps getting delayed. They can always release it after these movies and then use it to explain the continuity mess.

While I didn't like the characterization that Ben Affleck was given, he was easily the most anticipated player in this whole debacle.

What a mess.

LifeLine said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, DC needs to go full "fuck continuity" and start letting their creators go wild with DC properties. Remove JL references from Aquaman and Shazam. Let Aquaman movies only be in continuity with other Aquaman films, etc. Let Reeves do his Batman and with his own new Joker. Let Leto do a joker movie with his own version. Let joaquin phoenix make a sequel to his own Joker movie. Let Batfleck do Red Son. Make a Justice League movie with it's own cast. Do Kingdom Come.

Would be nice for a Flashpoint alt-reality movie to be the big bang that starts all of this, but since Flashpoint keeps getting delayed. They can always release it after these movies and then use it to explain the continuity mess.

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That's exactly what theyre doing though? Execs already announced theyre deemphasizing the shared universe aspects. Thats why the Joaquinker movie is being made at all

This would seem to open the door for Cavill to replace Craig as Bond after the next movie if both parties are up for it. Cavill seems game

I'd normally say he's too big of a name, but EON has done some unconventional things lately and historically they've went back to people they liked before. Cavill was a finalist for the role in Casino Royale that Craig got but they thought he was too young back then.

Should've just took the Marvel route, dumbasses. Intro films > Teamup Movie > CASH MONEY. How WB couldn't put enough faith in Ben Affleck to carry a Batman film is beyond me. DC doesn't deserve this. Way too many good properties being fucking wasted. These two should be going at it like heavyweights in the box office, but Marvel's clearly punching down at this point.

thefro said:

This would seem to open the door for Cavill to replace Craig as Bond after the next movie if both parties are up for it. Cavill seems game

I'd normally say he's too big of a name, but EON has done some unconventional things lately and historically they've went back to people they liked before. Cavill was a finalist for the role in Casino Royale that Craig got but they thought he was too young back then.

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Would they really pick a TV show actor though

Superman said:

I almost guarantee they make another Superman film with Henry Cavill.

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I'll take that bet.

Terrible. Cavill and Affleck were great casting choices imo, especially Cavill

Affleck was great in BvS. What a shame.

What a debacle.

LifeLine said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, DC needs to go full "fuck continuity" and start letting their creators go wild with DC properties. Remove JL references from Aquaman and Shazam. Let Aquaman movies only be in continuity with other Aquaman films, etc. Let Reeves do his Batman and with his own new Joker. Let Leto do a joker movie with his own version. Let joaquin phoenix make a sequel to his own Joker movie. Let Batfleck do Red Son. Make a Justice League movie with it's own cast. Do Kingdom Come.

Would be nice for a Flashpoint alt-reality movie to be the big bang that starts all of this, but since Flashpoint keeps getting delayed. They can always release it after these movies and then use it to explain the continuity mess.

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Honestly I'm more down for this at this point than DC and WB getting back up and saying "Well that didn't work, let's try that again guess."

Does that mean that Alfred movie is also dead? Cause that sounded like a real winner lol

...What a mess

Radd Redd said:

Getting rid of Cavill is a mistake. I feel for Affleck too. He messed up DareDevil and Batman. Still his Batman was bad to me.

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Superman is rumoured to have done some vile nasty shit during his impossible mission trip to China. And with them not looking to recast Supes, this is looking like it has some truth to it:

Certain people over at this studio know what happened in China, but the numbers are few. They are trying to make sure they have a chance at leaving the door open for a return. Yes, despite what he did. Apparently they feel since it was legal there and there are no witnesses who will say anything, that he might be able to come back.

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Fucking gross.

Wax Free Vanilla said:

Superman is rumoured to have done some vile nasty shit during his impossible mission trip to China. And with them not looking to recast Supes, this is looking like it has some truth to it:




Fucking gross.

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I am sorry, what is this referencing?

LifeLine said:

Would they really pick a TV show actor though

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Timothy?
Peirce?
Craig?

Metallix87 said:

I'd rather a full reboot. I'd also want Alexandra Shipp as Wonder Woman and have her emerge from Paradise Island in modernity, and have her work with Steve Trevor in the Middle East. Radically different.

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She's awesome but Gal Gadot *is* Wonder Woman at this point. Rebooting would be silly. I'd rather see Shipp come in as Bumblebee or Starfire.

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Superman is rumoured to have done some vile nasty shit during his impossible mission trip to China. And with them not looking to recast Supes, this is looking like it has some truth to it:

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MattXIII said:

Does that mean that Alfred movie is also dead? Cause that sounded like a real winner lol

...What a mess

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There was casting news yesterday

MattXIII said:

Does that mean that Alfred movie is also dead? Cause that sounded like a real winner lol

...What a mess

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What Alfred movie?

Like you folks need to keep things straight.

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Superman is rumoured to have done some vile nasty shit during his impossible mission trip to China. And with them not looking to recast Supes, this is looking like it has some truth to it:
Fucking gross.

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Ah yes, the infamous China trip.

JCHandsom said:

Honestly I'm more down for this at this point than DC and WB getting back up and saying "Well that didn't work, let's try that again guess."

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And if they really want the big Avengers multi-movie team up bucks, they could do Flashpoint/Injustice/etc every couple years where they can play around with the multiverse. Leto joker meets joaquin joker, etc. Batman Beyond vs Reeve's Batman.

maybe they should think about focusing on bringing a quality Superman and Batman to the CW verse. a world's finest show maybe? TV would be a good niche for the DCU - that's one thing they have over Marvel. sorry if anyone else said this earlier, i went straight to the last page.

Bale has been the only one who nailed Bruce Wayne on the big screen and his Batman Persona was great in the first one. But the voice he put on in the sequels were not so great. Maybe a voice modulator next time.

Zach Snyder is the sole reason DCCU sucks. Hopefully they cut him too.

Wax Free Vanilla said:

Superman is rumoured to have done some vile nasty shit during his impossible mission trip to China. And with them not looking to recast Supes, this is looking like it has some truth to it:




Fucking gross.

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Uh, what did he do? Source? Anything?

Keym said:

Uh, what did he do? Source? Anything?

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I'm guessing a pineapple pizza.

Even lending creedence to the rumors about the Flash movie can't seem to make it happen anytime soon, shame.

Kinda glad that we're getting reboots for both Superman and Batman.

Man of Steel and BVS (the latter I only saw a part of, and couldn't continue) were honestly some of the worst blockbuster movies I've ever seen.

I never thought I would see two movies in a row that could match M Night's Airbender in terms of awful storytelling, baffling editing choices, and bastardization of the source material.

That being said, I'm not sure if these new reboots will be any better.

I honestly don't care if they do a cinematic universe or not, just make some good freakin movies!

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Kinda glad that we're getting reboots for both Superman and Batman.

Man of Steel and BVS (the latter I only saw a part of, and couldn't continue) were honestly some of the worst blockbuster movies I've ever seen.

I never thought I would see two movies in a row that could match M Night's Airbender in terms of awful storytelling, baffling editing choices, and bastardization of the source material.

That being said, I'm not sure if these new reboots will be any better.

I honestly don't care if they do a cinematic universe or not, just make some good freakin movies!

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BVS I can sort of understand but there is no way MOS is one of the "worst blockbusters evar!!" Unless you literally only watched independent films and Oscar bait up until your adulthood.

WB really has no handle on their DC film division. They need an overseer compared to a Kevin Feige, but someone who not just understands comic books, but also understands movies, which are incredibly different even though they are both forms of storytelling. Geoff Johns is an amazing writer, and should stay on board as such, but they need someone who doesn't have both duties,

As for the cast, I feel really bad for them. Henry Cavill was the best Superman we've had since Reeves, and he got poor scripts with no character development and bad action. Affleck was poised to be the best Batman ever, and they decided to make him a killer. Gal Gadot, while having the best movie of the bunch, is now shafted because she won't get to experience the fulfillment of a true, cohesive cinematic universe. And no matter how good Aquaman is, it is riding on the coattails of a dookie train.

DCEU needs to be rebooted and rebranded.

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Would be nice for a Flashpoint alt-reality movie to be the big bang that starts all of this, but since Flashpoint keeps getting delayed. They can always release it after these movies and then use it to explain the continuity mess.

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As far as I'm aware, Flashpoint isn't happening. Different script and hook.

As far as Bruce Wayne goes and how Batman is supposed to LOOK was on point. But we'll never know what Affleck truly was like as Batman because we never got a proper glimpse. BVS we have a semi retired Batman that straight up kills people, and in JL you got a empty cardboard cut out of a character (Joss Whedon definitely didn't help whatsoever). It's time to wipe the slate clean. He looked fucking great as Batman but he's associated with complete CBM failures at this point, there's no return from this.

LosDaddie said:

I'll never be convinced that WB didn't purposely set out to create the anti-MCU, and it just blew up spectacularly in their faces.

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I agree with this. It made sense as a sort of diferentiator, but they choose the director of Sucker Punch to direct and influence the whole thing.

QuantumZebra said:

She's awesome but Gal Gadot *is* Wonder Woman at this point. Rebooting would be silly. I'd rather see Shipp come in as Bumblebee or Starfire.

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Christian Bale was Batman. Shit happens, people adjust as long as the end product is good.

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Christian Bale was Batman. Shit happens, people adjust as long as the end product is good.

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I loved Bale as Batman, but he was hardly the zeitgeist icon that Gadot's Woman Woman is, regardless of what you think about her performance.

And the only reason they recast Batman was because Bale had moved on from the role! If Bale was still game to do BvS with Snyder, you can bet WB would've dumped that truckload of money on his driveway. So as long as Gadot wants to play WW, there is no way WB would ever get rid of her or even want to.

Fantastic news. They know they need to burn it all down and start over.

Good, now recast Ezra too.

Penguin said:

What Alfred movie?

Like you folks need to keep things straight.

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The one teased in Teen Titans GO! To The Movies obviously! Or more realistic they are probably talk about the Alfred show that got some casting news recently.

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Christian Bale was Batman. Shit happens, people adjust as long as the end product is good.

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Three Jokers

Two Hulks

Like five Supermans

We've had three different Spider-Mans already with a 4th in December, fanboys cling too hard to the myth that only one person can play x ever

I think they should definitely go the anthology route but keep them in the same universe. Something akin to Agents of Shield in the later seasons where the movies impact that universe but they are still telling there own story and they don't need Iron Man showing up to keep connected. But also avoiding the pitfalls of the earlier AoS episodes like the Dark World aftermath one.

What's this about the whole China trip thing?

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The one teased in Teen Titans GO! To The Movies obviously! Or more realistic they are probably talk about the Alfred show that got some casting news recently.

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Oh I know talking about the show, why telling people to keep things straight.

Blader said:

I loved Bale as Batman, but he was hardly the zeitgeist icon that Gadot's Woman Woman is, regardless of what you think about her performance.

And the only reason they recast Batman was because Bale had moved on from the role! If Bale was still game to do BvS with Snyder, you can bet WB would've dumped that truckload of money on his driveway. So as long as Gadot wants to play WW, there is no way WB would ever get rid of her or even want to.

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Bale offered to return, but was turned down.

I love Gal, but she can be replaced for the greater good, and as long as the product is good, people will be okay with it.

Don't give the reigns to James Gunn. I believe he can make fun movies but I'm not so sure they would be on a good track and faithful enough to be a Kevin Feige. Give him the reigns to Suicide Squad and maybe even a proper Teen Titans film franchise but not reigns to the whole DCEU .

Full reboot needed at this point. Even ww. Just restart like marvel. Solo movies first to build universe then go for big ensemble movie.

Just give everyone a proper solo movie, build them up again, and maybe, just maybe, bring them back for a second JL film with a much better script and antagonist.

I despise everything after Man of Steel, however I will always like the meme scene when Superman lets him go and makes a face before flying off. It will stand out forever.

TELL ME... D'YOU BLEED?

darkwing said:

just bring back Nolan

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Yes this please. He could easily come up with a great universe for them.

WB should just poach the Disney jailed Pixar brain trust.

Andrew Stanton
Brad Bird
Brenda Chapman

Then throw in Verbinski for good measure and give them each a film to direct for a rebooted universe.

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Don't give the reigns to James Gunn. I believe he can make fun movies but I'm not so sure they would be on a good track and faithful enough to be a Kevin Feige. Give him the reigns to Suicide Squad and maybe even a proper Teen Titans film franchise but not reigns to the whole DCEU .

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Why not?