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Puffy

Banned
Dec 15, 2017
3,585
Having to perform surgery on a $70 controller just to get a decent dpad. Couldn't be me.
 

John Dunbar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,229
Yes they did.

Newer versions such as the Splatoon model are perfectly fine.

I've even got an original which doesn't have the problem so it wasn't in every controller in the first place.
have you gone to test button inputs in system settings? i didn't notice anything when i played zelda, but the test clearly showed the d-pad is fucked.
 

HardRojo

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,095
Peru
For a company that had one of the best D-Pads for generations, they really seem to have dropped the ball hard with the Switch. Guess I won't be buying a Pro Controller any time soon, I'm getting a Switch next month and was planning to get a Pro Controller along with it because I don't want to suffer through playing with the joycons on a grip, gonna have to tough it out it seems...
 

L.O.R.D

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,684
there is a 3rd party wireless controller with motion sensor from PowerA but with no NFC and no rumble, and it's $50
however it has 2 additional programmable buttons and it uses 2xAA batteries just like the Xbox one controller.

 

Rubblatus

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
3,124
Having just did the modification last night as a result of this thread, gunning for a hard 50% coverage on the D-Pad contacts killed the bad diagonal inputs which made doing things like Style Switching in Devil May Cry 3/4 feel way better, but also can drop multiple double-tap inputs maybe once every 20-30ish attempts which is actually a problem for DMC3/4. At this point I'm trading one problem for another. I'm gonna take it open and gun for a third of the contact coverage for more consistency, but so far it's not the dream fix it was made out to be.
 

AtomicShroom

Tools & Automation
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Oct 28, 2017
3,075
there is a 3rd party wireless controller with motion sensor from PowerA but with no NFC and no rumble, and it's $50
however it has 2 additional programmable buttons and it uses 2xAA batteries just like the Xbox one controller.



You'd have to pay me to use a controller this ugly. Jesus Christ what is it with tech companies designing these "gamer" things with such horrible aesthetics? It's like they've learned nothing from why iPhones became so popular in the first place.
 

delete12345

One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 17, 2017
19,665
Boston, MA
You'd have to pay me to use a controller this ugly. Jesus Christ what is it with tech companies designing these "gamer" things with such horrible aesthetics? It's like they've learned nothing from why iPhones became so popular in the first place.
They probably can't use the aesthetics Apple uses because the perception for those/their devices is massively counter-intuitive for peripherals.
 

PCPace

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,841
Alabama
Lies... deceptions.

Nothing being sold has truly fixed the d-pad issue definitively without actually opening it up and applying a fix/mod
There are two issues with it and the Xenoblade pro controller fixed one of the issues, with the up capacitor extending too far/being too sensitive. The other issue is the pivot is slightly too low, which the new version didn't fix
 

Dphex

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,811
Cologne, Germany
the verdict is that even when the Dpad is fixed it is by no means a good Dpad: too clicky, too small, too stiff. try to do a half circle on this thing and you will fail to do so. Retrogames suck on this thing.
 

LouieGeetoo

Member
Oct 27, 2017
32
The tape fix worked wonderfully for me. At first I covered too much of the contacts and it made it too unresponsive, so I pared it down and now it works great. Regularly use it for direction-sensitive actions like Tetris.

I don't remember how much I left covered, but it I'm fairly certain it's less than the half shown in the tutorial page posted above.
 

AtomicShroom

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Oct 28, 2017
3,075
They probably can't use the aesthetics Apple uses because the perception for those/their devices is massively counter-intuitive for peripherals.

How so? I'm not talking about using a touchscreen. I'm talking about using low-profile plain colors with no XTREME patterns on them. Something sleek and elegant.
 

Dinobot

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,126
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Nothing as of yet. I just bought a powerA wider grip so that if I played docked I use the joycons dpad. At least it's accurate (and I'm used to separate button dpads from four generations of the dualshock)
 

Anteo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,099
That is literally impossible, it's a flaw that they all have by design

What was the flaw again? Because mine only miss input if I try to do left to right and back super fast without lifting my finger and i tried fixing that with tape but no luck. Just pressing forward or backward doenst give any diagonal miss input
 

L.O.R.D

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,684
You'd have to pay me to use a controller this ugly. Jesus Christ what is it with tech companies designing these "gamer" things with such horrible aesthetics? It's like they've learned nothing from why iPhones became so popular in the first place.
There are 5 different skins other than that

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Duffking

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Oct 27, 2017
5,695
I see. Is this the same for every pro controller or just some? Because I'm sensitive to these types of things (hence having issues with xbox sea of thieves d pad) and I haven't felt anything like what's being described here with my pro controller.

It's there to a varying amount with all pro controllers. Mine's pretty ok for it, but I can force it to happen reasonably easily. Doesn't happen in normal use. My friend's one is a damn nightmare though.
 

LuigiV

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,684
Perth, Australia
There are 5 different skins other than that
That isn't any better.

Edit: Looking at the other colours, the white and red ones are ok; no where near as garish as the Zelda, Mario and black ones; though still not to my taste personally. A far cry from Apple elegance that AtomicShroom was advocating for.
 
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delete12345

One Winged Slayer
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Nov 17, 2017
19,665
Boston, MA
How so? I'm not talking about using a touchscreen. I'm talking about using low-profile plain colors with no XTREME patterns on them. Something sleek and elegant.
You want a matte surface, so it prevents fingerprints and smudges on the peripherals. If Apple is making a controller, they would probably make it smooth, shiny, and glossy.
 

L.O.R.D

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,684
i am testing the dapd now on my xendobalde 2 controller, and i am using 2 hand, one at each dpad button

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wow, meanwhile testing the dpad on the elite controller with regular dpad using the X one adapter from Brook using only my left hand

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non, i got no reading error, i may continue using the elite on the switch.

the X one adapter is very good, only downside it doesn't wake up the switch, also it add a Bluetooth and motion sensor to the Xbox one controller.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-else-using-the-wireless-brook-x-one-adapter.13890/
 
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Yunyo

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Oct 25, 2017
2,824
So that's why in BOTW I will get weird inputs sometimes when switching weapons. I had no idea.

I'll look into fixing mine soon then. What a weird slip-up by Nintendo.
 
Oct 25, 2017
651
What does the Switch Pro Controller offer over the Wii U Pro Controller? Analog triggers? HD rumble?

Thinking about just buying those Mayflash adapters since I already have 2 Wii U Pro Controllers.
 

Papasmurff

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
178
I used tape to fix mine about a year ago and it's still going strong. Maybe eventually I'll need to reapply it if the tape wears through.
 

spman2099

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,891
I see. Is this the same for every pro controller or just some? Because I'm sensitive to these types of things (hence having issues with xbox sea of thieves d pad) and I haven't felt anything like what's being described here with my pro controller.

So, I have known a couple of people (two, to be precise) who claimed their pro controller didn't have this problem. When I had them test it on the input screen both of them had tons of incorrect inputs pop up. I am pretty convinced that every single Pro controller suffers from this problem. I think some people are far less sensitive to it (they probably don't play games that require precision). I can't imagine playing Puyo-Puyo Tetris with the Pro controller and feeling like it was an acceptable option.

Having to perform surgery on a $70 controller just to get a decent dpad. Couldn't be me.

Indeed, it is absurd. Yet I haven't used mine in a long, long time. So I am considering doing the mod just so that my controller is functional enough that I will use it. *sigh*
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
15,529
Some people do swear that their Pro controllers are fine and don't have the fault but I've never known if that's true or just 'I haven't noticed it'. It seems to me to be a design flaw of the d-pad (because it's one big button that can be pressed down rather than a d-pad on a traditional rocker) rather than something that can be right or wrong.

I notice it most in fighting games. I've been playing Street Fighter for nearly 30 years and I can do hadoukens/dragon punches in my sleep on any stick/d-pad... except the Pro Controller d-pad. It makes those motions virtually impossible to do consistently. It just fails to accurately trigger specific directions. Just kinda mashes every direction and SF just says no.
As already said, you can even notice it on any menu. Hold to the right in a vertically alligned menu, wiggle the right side of the d-pad a little and you will very likely get an up or down input on the menu which shouldn't happen without actually coming close to the up or down side of the d-pad.

But for a game: Try playing Celeste with the d-pad, it's infuriating cause a wrong input usually means death.

Edit:
Could anybody please link to a good tutorial for that selfmade fix people are talking about? Thanks!
Mine seems to be working fine. Just tested it. Weird.
 

dock

Game Designer
Verified
Nov 5, 2017
1,367
The bad dpad has put me off playing certain games on the Switch. My pro controller also squeaks when I use the analogue stick!! It's so annoying! This combined with the lack of headphone jack make it a pretty disappointing experience.

Microsoft went from a pretty bleh dpad on the launch Xbox One controller to one of the best dpads of all time.

It would be great if Nintendo made a new pro controller, but Nintendo have never done a controller revision beyond the Classic Controller Pro, and that was only due to pressure from Capcom to get Monster Hunter.
 

xyla

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,385
Germany
i am testing the dapd now on my xendobalde 2 controller, and i am using 2 hand, one at each dpad button

DplaPOfWsAEp156.jpg


wow, meanwhile testing the dpad on the elite controller with regular dpad using the X one adapter from Brook using only my left hand

Dplal6OWwAE1kaB.jpg



non, i got no reading error, i may continue using the elite on the switch.

the X one adapter is very good, only downside it doesn't wake up the switch, also it add a Bluetooth and motion sensor to the Xbox one controller.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-else-using-the-wireless-brook-x-one-adapter.13890/

Wow, that's a cool adapter! If it was a little cheaper, it would have been an impulse buy for me - like this it costs only a little less than a new controller.. Does it go on sale sometimes?
 

Deleted member 36622

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Dec 21, 2017
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Verdict: it sucks so bad.

Shame because the rest of the controller is perfection: everything feels right, the front facing buttons, the bumpers and the two sticks (except the triggers that should be analogue), but the d-pad is unusable on the games you should use it more.
 

spman2099

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,891
Verdict: it sucks so bad.

Shame because the rest of the controller is perfection: everything feels right, the front facing buttons, the bumpers and the two sticks (except the triggers that should be analogue), but the d-pad is unusable on the games you should use it more.

It would have probably been the best controller in a generation of amazing controllers. However, the D-pad makes the Switch Pro the natural successor to the 360 controller: an excellent controller with an awful D-pad.
 

Cynn

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Oct 27, 2017
1,285
I use a Pokken controller with the Switch for all my 2D games. It's great and cheap.
 

PadWarrior

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,475
I have four and one of mine has this issue. But I use the stick for all my games so doesn't bother me.
 

sugarless

Member
Nov 2, 2017
709
Are there any other games were it's very noticeable because I haven't felt any problems with the games I've played so far.
Best example is to grab the Puyo Puyo Tetris demo and try Tetris. As you may know, Tetris has for some time had a feature where you can press up to instantly drop your current piece all the way to the bottom. It's important to use when you want to play fast - but ultimately as it's an instant commitment to piece placement it's optional and you can also just hold down to speed up the piece drop.

The Pro D-pad is unusable for this game because of all the unintended up inputs you will get while you're pressing left and right to move pieces.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not to say my controller isn't also messed up, but I've honestly never experienced playing a game and had some kind of catastrophic unintentional d-pad press like so many here have seemed to.

Have literally never had a problem with it. I'm sure there have been times when I've done something in-game that I didn't mean to, but I literally forgot about it milliseconds later after correcting it. Like a bad jump or something.

Just for anyone who's seeing this thread and is afraid to buy one. The pro controller is great IMO.
 

L.O.R.D

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Oct 26, 2017
5,684
Wow, that's a cool adapter! If it was a little cheaper, it would have been an impulse buy for me - like this it costs only a little less than a new controller.. Does it go on sale sometimes?
sadly no, it was a kickstarter project, so i doubt it will go cheaper then that, i bought it for $45 second hand but never used, it as originally for $50.
 

Instro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,002
It's really awful that Nintendo hasn't fixed this after so long. Particularly with the premium they are charging. I would have gotten a refund, but using the joycons for TV play is not enjoyable.
 

Transistor

The Walnut King
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
37,121
Washington, D.C.
I did it on mine and it helped, but all in all it's just an absolutely shitty d-pad design-wise and it desperately needs to be re-engineered.
 

Naner

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,016
I did it and it certainly improved the controller, but now I think down is a bit too hard to press. Might open it again and change the tape position a bit.
 
Apr 9, 2018
510
The pokken controller is cheap and has a good dpad if you want something for fighting games or retro games and don't need sticks or gyro or wireless.

Or you can get an adapter for a dualshock 4 if you have those already.
 

Devil

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,656
Same here though I do suck at HK.. Never occurred to me to blame the controller!

Hollow Knight is not an issue at all even with a faulty dpad. It has no diagonal inputs and 99% of your moves will not be fucked up by an accidental down or up input. I played through it with the Pro dpad even though mine is definitely faulty.

You can still test it on the main menu of HK though. Other games will give you more problems.
 

Vade

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Oct 26, 2017
295
I did the tape method to two of my pro controllers. Made it stiffer but more accurate.