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VanWinkle

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I mean, it's not like they set out how long they want to talk about each game. The conversation just organically reaches its end point.
 

Hazz3r

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Nov 3, 2017
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They did touch on a lot of different things. I remember someone on here (I forgot who it was) who was dissapointed last time that they didn't talk about Zombie mode.
Well they did touch on that a little bit as well.

I don't really play CoD (and FPS in general), but I did enjoy the conversation about it.
It won't make me play the game, but I didn't mind them taking some time to talk about it.
Me! Looking forward to listening in that case!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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From what I heard it was quite rough at launch and was fixed up quite a bit with patches.
Nah, the launch wasn't rough for Skyrim VR. It had issues, but they were very minor. The game ran great, even on base PS4s. They did recently release a huge patch that improved graphics on the Pro and added a new tutorial section to help get used to the controls before you even jump into the game. But as someone who played that first week, it was far from rough. It's gotten better, but it was very good even back then. I do know that Fallout 4 VR had a very bad launch on PC, so that could be what you're thinking of? I mean, it's possible some people were not pleased with Skyrim VR at launch, but I remember the PSVR subreddit was pretty much 100% glowing Skyrim impressions for a solid week post-launch. It's why I bought the game.

As for the Allies, the problem was mostly that it was just more Skyrim. Based on random tidbits picked up here and there, I know Brad dug it, as did Jones, but I think it just wasn't enough of a pull for them to keep playing and that's understandable. It can also be nauseating in a very bad way if you don't have your VR legs. And I don't think any of the Allies, if their Astro Bot discussion is anything to go on, has their VR legs. The quease is real with EZA. QuEZA, if you will.
 

Fanto

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I can now say that Kyle's Perfect Dark stream is high quality content lol. This timestamp (2:51:24) was one of my favorite moments, so many good laughs during this.

 
Oct 28, 2017
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Any of you guys play GTA Online on the Xbox and fancy a code for half a million dollars? I got sent a code for pre-ordering Red Dead 2 but have no use for it.
 

LiquidSolid

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What a weird review. Shouldn't multiplatform games be reviewed with everyone in mind, not just people interested in the Switch exclusive Starfox content?
 

LiquidSolid

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To be fair, I think the only reason Damiani or anyone else at EZA was interested in reviewing it is because of the Star Fox content.
Honestly, I think if that's the case then he probably shouldn't have reviewed it. I don't think that's fair on the game because that content isn't what the devs spent most of their time on and I don't think it's an accurate representation of what a lot of people will play. I'd happily listen to him talk about it on Friend Code but to frame almost the entire review around that content and compare it to actual Star Fox games is super weird.
 

jondgc

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Honestly, I think if that's the case then he probably shouldn't have reviewed it. I don't think that's fair on the game because that content isn't what the devs spent most of their time on and I don't think it's an accurate representation of what a lot of people will play. I'd happily listen to him talk about it on Friend Code but to frame almost the entire review around that content and compare it to actual Star Fox games is super weird.

I definitely understand your point here, but I think the review works as a "Switch version review", since I think the primary driver for purchasing the game on the Switch at all is the Star Fox content. Perhaps the game could have received a fairer shake had it been reviewed on PS4, but it seems that the same issues regarding repetitive gameplay and lack of variety plague the original content as well. Again, EZA doesn't comport themselves to be the only review on the internet, but simply how they view the game themselves. It is always up to a potential buyer to seek out all the facts before a purchase.
 
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Hmm, i get the critique, but Ubisoft revealed the game exactly the same way. A strong focus about Star Fox on the Ubisoft conference with Miyamoto as guest and everything. This isn't just a small extra skin or something.
 
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Hmm, i get the critique, but Ubisoft revealed the game exactly the same way. A strong focus about Star Fox on the Ubisoft conference with Miyamoto as guest and everything. This isn't just a small extra skin or something.

No, when they announced Star Fox content at E3 2018 they had a normal trailer before that. And the game was announced way before at E3 2017.
 

LiquidSolid

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I definitely understand your point here, but I think the review works as a "Switch version review", since I think the primary driver for purchasing the game on the Switch at all is the Star Fox content. Perhaps the game could have received a fairer shake had it been reviewed on PS4, but it seems that the same issues regarding repetitive gameplay and lack of variety plague the original content as well. Again, EZA doesn't comport themselves to be the only review on the internet, but simply how they view the game themselves. It is always up to a potential buyer to seek out all the facts before a purchase.
Nah, I don't think he had to review it on PS4 or ignore the Star Fox content entirely, I just think the review should've focused on the base game and then the Star Fox content mentioned as an extra, not the other way around.

Hmm, i get the critique, but Ubisoft revealed the game exactly the same way. A strong focus about Star Fox on the Ubisoft conference with Miyamoto as guest and everything. This isn't just a small extra skin or something.
Starlink was announced at E3 2017 with no Star Fox at all, that wasn't announced till E3 2018. It apparently wasn't even in the initial plans, Nintendo approached Ubisoft to add it after Starlink was announced.
 

jondgc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Guys it literally says "Reviewed on Switch" in the title card. It's a Switch review - of which the most prominent aspect is the Star Fox content. This seems like a really silly criticism to me, but to each their own.
 
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Guys it literally says "Reviewed on Switch" in the title card. It's a Switch review - of which the most prominent aspect is the Star Fox content. This seems like a really silly criticism to me, but to each their own.

Ummmm.... So?

Every review says "reviewed on x console". If you want to review the drastically different switch version, don't put "also available on ps4, Xbox, and pc".
 

jondgc

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Ummmm.... So?

Every review says "reviewed on x console". If you want to review the drastically different switch version, don't put "also available on ps4, Xbox, and pc".

But that is disingenuous. You have to list all the platforms for which the game is available, but you are not obligated to review all versions of a multiplatform game. It's all good, you guys certainly aren't alone in these opinions as evidenced by the YouTube comments, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. To me, the only hook of this game is the fact that they added StarFox to it, and it seems pretty clear the story is nothing to write home about. So Damiani worked the angle that many were curious about - how does the game play on Switch and does Star Fox's inclusion add anything to the mix. Perhaps this could have been framed better at the outset of the review, but it seems pretty clear from the conceit that it was the route he was taking, so I just don't see the problem.
 

LycanXIII

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Oct 26, 2017
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Just watched the review, thought it was fine until the last segment about how maybe next time they could make a Star Fox game.
 
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But that is disingenuous. You have to list all the platforms for which the game is available, but you are not obligated to review all versions of a multiplatform game. It's all good, you guys certainly aren't alone in these opinions as evidenced by the YouTube comments, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. To me, the only hook of this game is the fact that they added StarFox to it, and it seems pretty clear the story is nothing to write home about. So Damiani worked the angle that many were curious about - how does the game play on Switch and does Star Fox's inclusion add anything to the mix. Perhaps this could have been framed better at the outset of the review, but it seems pretty clear from the conceit that it was the route he was taking, so I just don't see the problem.

I have no problem reviewing the switch version.

But the review should have made it more clear that the switch version is very different from the other versions.

Lots of games are multiplat, but by and large, they are the same game.

Not everyone knows what Starfox is. Seems to me like if you are getting the ps4 version, you are getting a different experience.
 
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Joqu

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I don't mind anyone reviewing the Switch version from a Star Fox series perspective, that's what's most relevant to me and I imagine a lot of the people who're interested in the game.

However, they REALLY didn't stress this was a Switch-only review, and as a result it is bizarre as is. Not even the YouTube title makes it clear, and it really should have been said in the introduction too.
 

oni-link

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Hey all, can someone give me a breakdown of what the Easy Allies podcasts are like/about? I watch their videos but I don't listen to their podcasts

There are just two, right, the main one and Frame Trap?

Do they both just cover current news?
 

Bloodworth

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Hey all, can someone give me a breakdown of what the Easy Allies podcasts are like/about? I watch their videos but I don't listen to their podcasts

There are just two, right, the main one and Frame Trap?

Do they both just cover current news?
From our about us page:
Easy Allies Podcast - Hosted by Kyle Bosman, we discuss the week's headlines, answer listener questions, and keep a running tally of stupid bets.
Frame Trap - Our second podcast, hosted by Ben Moore. We speak more specifically about what each guest is playing and tackle a big central topic - aka the Hottake. Comes out every other Monday.
Friend Code - A podcast for the latest and greatest Nintendo News, hosted by Michael Damiani. Releases every other Tuesday.
Cup of Jones - Exclusive to Patrons, Brandon Jones gives a behind-the-scenes update on what's happening at Easy Allies, answers questions, and gives a brief editorial.
Reaction Shots - The Easy Allies movie podcast, hosted by Ian Hinck. Releases once per month.
Trailer Jones - Brandon Jones and company dissect and score the latest trailers.
 

oni-link

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From our about us page:
Easy Allies Podcast - Hosted by Kyle Bosman, we discuss the week's headlines, answer listener questions, and keep a running tally of stupid bets.
Frame Trap - Our second podcast, hosted by Ben Moore. We speak more specifically about what each guest is playing and tackle a big central topic - aka the Hottake. Comes out every other Monday.
Friend Code - A podcast for the latest and greatest Nintendo News, hosted by Michael Damiani. Releases every other Tuesday.
Cup of Jones - Exclusive to Patrons, Brandon Jones gives a behind-the-scenes update on what's happening at Easy Allies, answers questions, and gives a brief editorial.
Reaction Shots - The Easy Allies movie podcast, hosted by Ian Hinck. Releases once per month.
Trailer Jones - Brandon Jones and company dissect and score the latest trailers.

Thanks, I didn't look for an "about us" page

I think Frame Trap sounds ideal for me, as I listen to podcasts on my commute but as that's only about 5 hours a week and I listen to a few other podcasts when they're too news heavy I quickly end up listening to old news

So personally I'd love it if you did a podcast on specific topics, notable games or systems, but I'm gonna download an episode of Frame Trap for now

Keep up the good work, you guys are great
 

Gaming_Groove

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Yeah that review was a bit odd. I'm really not trying to knock Damiani or Bloodworth on it, but I feel like this one maybe could have used another draft that focused on the core game for the body of the review and had a specific segment on the Nintendo exclusive content. As it is, I feel like everything I learned about the game was through the lens of how the Star Fox content was implemented.

For example, it's briefly mentioned that this is a toys to life game, but beyond saying that the toys are not required there doesn't seem to be any explicit description of how the game actually interacts with the toys if they are used. I can imagine how they could be used from the description of the gameplay, so it's not a huge deal and not something I even care about...just an example of something that I think would have been more valuable in a review of Starlink than, say, how good the Corneria theme sounds.

On a second viewing, I pulled a Bosman and counted how many times "Star Fox" was said in the review...eleven times. Whew. I'd be curious how that stacks up to their reviews of actual Star Fox games like Zero and 2.
 

Ryan Bates

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If Damiani wants to lean into this he should do an alternate Smash Bros. Ultimate review where he only plays as Fox and reviews it from Fox's perspective. That in combination with the Star Fox 2 review and the Starlink - Star Fox review would make a funny playlist.
 

VanWinkle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thanks, I didn't look for an "about us" page

I think Frame Trap sounds ideal for me, as I listen to podcasts on my commute but as that's only about 5 hours a week and I listen to a few other podcasts when they're too news heavy I quickly end up listening to old news

So personally I'd love it if you did a podcast on specific topics, notable games or systems, but I'm gonna download an episode of Frame Trap for now

Keep up the good work, you guys are great
Frame Trap is wonderful. Just lots of game discussion. Certainly more evergreen topics than the Easy Allies Podcast.
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
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watching Frame Trap.

The TGA nominees for GOTY last year were Odyssey, BOTW, Persona 5, Horizon, and PUBG if I remember right.

not sure where Ben got his list from here


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yea star fox review had a weird perspective.

Other than it did a great breakdown of the gameplay, so now I know what the game is really about.
But yeah if you're going to say something like "the graphics can be poor", should at least mention it's on that specific sku.
 

ZeoVGM

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, I think if that's the case then he probably shouldn't have reviewed it. I don't think that's fair on the game because that content isn't what the devs spent most of their time on and I don't think it's an accurate representation of what a lot of people will play. I'd happily listen to him talk about it on Friend Code but to frame almost the entire review around that content and compare it to actual Star Fox games is super weird.

This is a bit silly. The Star Fox aspect is the aspect of the game people care about the most. The game would barely be talked about if not for that and he played it on Switch.

But even ignoring that, he went over all of the important aspects of the game itself. He discussed mission structure, fast travel, music, the story, etc. There was nothing "weird" about the review.
 

Hasney

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Oct 25, 2017
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You never know what you'll be served up by the YouTube algorithm!

EDIT: Searched Starlink review on YouTube in an incognito tab and EZA were actually second. Heh.

Every single thumbnail on that page has Fox in it though, so I bet there will be confused people out there, not just from EZA.
 

Chuck

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Oct 25, 2017
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That are watching EZA reviews? That intersection that don't know who Star Fox is and expect them on non Nintendo products has to be ridiculously small

If you search "starlink review" on youtube, eza is a top result. They usually are so I don't understand why some people think they're only viewed by a hardcore audience.
 

PlayBee

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If Ubisoft wanted people to talk about the non-Switch versions of the game then maybe they should have sent more of those out. 90% of the reviews for the game are for the Switch version.
 

TheDarkKnight

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you search "starlink review" on youtube, eza is a top result. They usually are so I don't understand why some people think they're only viewed by a hardcore audience.
I don't consider Knowing Star Fox is Nintendo and a guest character as hardcore. You're arguing a scenario where they're interested in Star link for the appeal of Star Fox but then walk away confused when it doesn't show up on PS4/Xbox.

It's like being concerned that about people thinking link will be in sc2 for PS2/Xbox

And really when they search to buy the product it'll be pretty obvious
 

JayC3

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah I watched the review and honestly, I think this just might be a weird edge case. These days, there aren't that many multiplatform games released with substantial amounts of exclusive content. And if the Switch version is what Damiani played, then it makes sense that he would talk about Star Fox because that was part of his gameplay experience.

On the other hand, I think it's fair to say that the review itself was framed around the Star Fox content. It literally ends with: "If Nintendo is smart they'll continue this collaboration with Ubisoft, so hopefully next time it'll be a dedicated Star Fox project instead of a tacked-on console exclusive." And because references to Star Fox were mentioned throughout the review, I didn't know sometimes which points were exclusive to the Switch version and which points applied to all the versions. Basically, I didn't get a good sense of how my experience with the game would differ if I got the Switch version vs the PS4/XBox version, and whether the score would even apply to the non-Switch versions. Maybe this would have been better released specifically as a Switch review.

I do wonder, though, if maybe they didn't get a PS4/XBox copy to compare with or maybe there wasn't time to do a comparison. Regardless, this is definitely something to think about for the future in case there are more multiplats with significant exclusive content on one platform.
 
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Bloodworth

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah I watched the review and honestly, I think this just might be a weird edge case. These days, there aren't that many multiplatform games released with substantial amounts of exclusive content. And if the Switch version is what Damiani played, then it makes sense that he would talk about Star Fox because that was part of his gameplay experience.

On the other hand, I think it's fair to say that the review itself was framed around the Star Fox content. It literally ends with: "If Nintendo is smart they'll continue this collaboration with Ubisoft, so hopefully next time it'll be a dedicated Star Fox project instead of a tacked-on console exclusive." And because references to Star Fox were mentioned throughout the review, I didn't know sometimes which points were exclusive to the Switch version and which points applied to all the versions. Basically, I didn't get a good sense of how my experience with the game would differ if I got the Switch version vs the PS4/XBox version, and whether the score would even apply to the non-Switch versions. Also, maybe this would have been better released specifically as a Switch review.

I do wonder, though, if maybe they didn't get a PS4/XBox copy to compare with or maybe there wasn't time to do a comparison. Regardless, this is definitely something to think about for the future in case there are more multiplats with significant exclusive content on one platform.
We got a PS4 version as well, both right before the weekend. Plan was for Damiani to review on Switch and Brandon to stream PS4, and obviously Brandon is way more interested in the toys aspect.
 

abrack

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Oct 25, 2017
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Children and parents who are buying for their children, the exact market for the game?

I don't consider Knowing Star Fox is Nintendo and a guest character as hardcore. You're arguing a scenario where they're interested in Star link for the appeal of Star Fox but then walk away confused when it doesn't show up on PS4/Xbox.

This is purely anecdotal, but I was at Gamestop earlier today and a kid was there with his dad, he seemed probably 9-10 years old. He was asking the employees for Xbox game suggestions, and he kept asking if there were Kirby or Pokémon games on Xbox. Not arguing that that means there's a large EZA YouTube audience that wouldn't know that, just thought it was interesting.
 
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