Factually incorrect.
If you mean the Batman-like over preparation concocting new and creative ways in killing a ton of goblins unfortunately yes that's still there.
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Factually incorrect.
If you mean the Batman-like over preparation concocting new and creative ways in killing a ton of goblins unfortunately yes that's still there.
? I don't recall seeing any highly focused rape like the opening anywhere after the first arc. Maybe there is more edgelord shit I forgot though.
To be fair, I'd understand completely if someone is upset by it in Berserk as well. I still think the way they're framed visually in either series is different (not going to post images here), but whatever.
That being said, bringing up the Berserk situation as a whataboutism is pretty disingenuous from goblin slayer fans. If you (not the person I quoted personally, the royal you) can't see why there's a distinction between how the two series handle the subject, then you probably don't have any ground to talk about how "nuanced" the "lore" of goblin slayer is or whatever, as clearly nuance is not your thing. It's a concession that the work is indefensible on its own merits and must be propped up in relation to the acceptance of another work.
5 chapters ago a woman was stripped of all but a few scraps of clothing as she was surrounded by goblins.
8 chapters before that a goblin captain is trying to trick a woman who has him captive into letting him go, and from his point of view we are rather graphically shown the fates of the last five women he encountered.
2 chapters before that the same goblin is shown in flashback holding a nude woman hostage before an ersatz Conan. There is no mystery about what happened to her.
The chapter before that during a goblin siege they employ no fewer than 3 nude, bound, flayed and spread eagle women (and only women) as 'meat shields' as part of their defensive armament. Again, there is no ambiguity about what happened here.
Only a few chapters ago we're told that a high priestess has become useless for a resurrection miracle because she, too, was the victim of gang rape and therefore ineligible as a component for the spell where only the presence of a nude virgin works. In and of itself that's pretty fuckin gross.
I'm not saying there's a rape every time you turn a page. I'm saying the regressive, sexist violence is woven into the very fabric of the work, and it's not simply a matter of muscling through a rough opening before the world opens up and you can put it in the back of your mind. This manga, so far, is The Rape Culture Fantasy Manga, and commiserating about whether or not the twist is that it's a Rape Culture Fantasy Isekai Manga does not really elevate it in a sea of extremely similar works, except that in this case it seems to have been chosen for animated adaptation. Who knows, maybe the third time is the charm with this particular IP and they do tone it down and we can finally enjoy a wholly run of the mill Serious Violent Isekai Anime, just like the last ten that have come down the line.
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How about this earlier post?
Just taking this by itself. I don't really see why getting an emotional reaction from a rape scene should in itself score any points, because that's cheap shock value. I used to frequent 4chan. I used to visit Newgrounds. Shock value is easy to find. People figure out that certain things are shortcuts to an emotional reaction and use them to punch up vapid works, or just to attract attention all by itself.
It's like when a show adds a new character into the episode just so that they can kill them to raise the stakes, then forgets about them completely. It's incredibly transparent that it's what they're doing, and the impact only gets weaker as the audience gets dulled to it, so it's got a completely miserable effect, especially when compared to a more subtle, planned build-up. But even if the hard way is better, people continue to do the easy way because, well, it's easy.
The light novels seems to be taking the DnD aspect even further, so interesting to see how that turns out. Got through half of the first volume, and it has been enjoyable read for the most part so far, despite the problematic aspects of GS (through least it doesn't go into much detail when it comes to the rape so far). The amount of defending for the rape scenes has been quite disgusting really.
Mmmm, I don't know if I'd go that far, OP, but it would certainly be more interesting than just the generic 'the gods are playing games' angle which is as basic as it comes. If that was the case, Goblin Slayer would have an even deeper motivation/despair (his loss and vendetta is all just for the amusement of gods) that would be welcome. Not sure they'll bother given the template they're following, but there certainly is groundwork for it anyway. I'd much prefer they focus on that and leave the goblins'/author's (or artist's perhaps?) fixation on brutalizing female characters to the wayside because I really like Goblin Slayer himself and the nitty gritty, almost procedural fantasy that it is sometimes. I love how expert he's become on something that's sneered at in most fantasy and the way it informs his character without losing the human element. He's emotionally on hold because of his past, but he's not a cretin or aggressively rude, and his frankness is endearing. For all the unnecessary focusing on rape, the main female characters are weirdly (given how every other woman on screen ends up) treated all right so far in their interest for him. They actually have believable reasons to be attracted to the guy. Usually I'd roll my eyes if 3+ girls were all shooting for the faceless MC, but somehow it's works here (atm anyway). Anyway, not sure I'll stick with it if it keeps up with the crap, but there are elements I like.
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From my understanding from another user which read the light novels, the Gods "playing" so to find a ruler for this world, not only for their amusement it seems.
There wasn't a point to fight which other so they decided to put others in their places to fight for them. Even the "good" Gods manipulate their followers to do the quests and the heroic feats in general.
But here comes the Goblin Slayer who no one can affect his being with their plans, somehow.
Goblin Slayer want to find always new ways to overcome difficulties which the Gods never thought (like a real DM). Then there is his adamant hatred to kill only goblins which a mock the God's who made other dungeons to defeat the heroes of other God.
This is so exciting thinking maybe at the End Goblin Slayer give theiddle finger too the God's.
Oh wait, already did!!!
There hasn't been a rape since chapter 15, we're on chapter 28, soon 29.
That's 13 chapters, not 4.
And the space between 1-2 to another scene like that is around chapter 13-14. Which is more than 10 chapters.
You really need to read it factual places and not hear it from people who doesn't even read the manga.
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Also. Read chapter 15, it might include a page with rape scene (a flashback) but it also includes some big character developments by GS and Priestess.
Priestess shows spine by remaining unfazed against the Goblin Lord trap attempt and keeps him on two protection spells crushed, then GS finishes him off.
Then we have some nice development of priestess not wanting to back down on anything and remain with GS and deeply caring for him. Even saving one of the miracles to save GS.
GS takes out his helmet on the celebration, people go wild, realizes thanks to priestess that he's not alone on this world after all, and finally decides to become a fully adventurer and he might like that.
Then we have some nice development of priestess not wanting to back down on anything and remain with GS and deeply caring for him. Even saving one of the miracles to save GS.
GS takes out his helmet on the celebration, people go wild, realizes thanks to priestess that he's not alone on this world after all, and finally decides to become a fully adventurer and he might like that.
What I'm trying to say (and be clear, I despise rape, it's disgusting, and it's something permanent that a victim has to live with, rape victims need all of our support and we need harder punishments to those who commit those atrocities) is that this manga is not rape culture at all, it gives an explanation of Goblins as a parasite, it uses this sensitive topic to prove that it has to be something so bad, that goblins shouldn't be pardoned and be killed.
The only scene on the entire manga where I agree it shouldn't have been done, and instead I take the anime adaptation of that scene, is the first chapter. Since they went full shock value in that. The anime adaptation made you fill in the blank in some way, still showed some, it was even more shocking because of audio and it showed that what happens is horrible.
I repeat: I despise rape, it's disgusting, and it's something permanent that a victim has to live with, rape victims need all of our support and we need harder punishments to those who commit those atrocities.
I'm not downplaying, I'm not defending, I'm not being an apologist.
If you don't want to read the manga, watch the anime, it's fine, don't watch it because you don't want to for whatever reason, but don't judge a book for its cover or even the first pages. Some people here are jumping and calling the entire manga/LN/Anime something that isn't and just come to judge the wrong way, even in bad faith. But there's context for this, even if the first chapter was a bad taste for many.
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How to create a straw man 101. Like and subscribe.
He even dehumanises the arguments by using puppets. I have to imagine he's doing that on purpose, at least I'd hope so.
That's because the rape scene migrated over to the other side mangas. Brand New Day and Year One.
The irony... you don't even realize it.
That minisode was done before Goblin Slayer. When Dan Olsen wrote this episode, Goblin Slayer didn't exist!
That it accurately describes goblin slayer and the desperate defenses its die-hard, fanatic fans use to not look like horrible people, 6 months before its first chapter, says it all.
He predicted you. Accurately, to a T.
Who else think that the Main Villain of the game is just a Dungeon Master, which in Goblin Slayer World I guess is a God?
Like, I real [Asshole] God who just manipulate a specific part of a population just to see heroes and monsters fight each other non-stop for all eternity for his/her/it/??? amusement?
The Gods of Light, Order, Destiny, Darkness, Chaos and Coincidence are just Avatars of the Real God.
Main hint. The Explaination of the World as Table game in Chapter 15:
Orcbolg in other words is "broken" like Saitama from One-Punch Man: He doesn't play with the rules.
At some point later in the manga while he was injured, nearly dead even and his team ready to get killed/raped by the Goblins [Chapter 22], he said:
"Your Ultimate Fate, your Final Doom..."
"...is always a just a roll of Dice away."
"It's a perfectly ordinary thing..."
"...when Adventures are overrun by Goblins."
But of course get his crazy red eye and final also said:
"This shall NOT stand."
So, yeah.
I never read its Light Novel, so maybe there is already an answer.
However I ask the people who read also the Manga like me.
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Also I want to add how much sense make the title "Goblin Slayer".
Because in a normal DnD game, after the Level 1 Heroes defeat their first Monsters, most of the times Goblins, they just go to much more difficult quest with more dangerous creatures.
But not him. He just want to slay over and over Level 1 Goblins.
In real life, if a Dungeon Master was running a game this would be frustrating for DM AND the other players.
So maybe the title Goblin Slayer is a mocking to the DM of the World he/she/it/??? controlling.
I agree with you, it feels like that's how the rules of GS's world are stablished so it wouldn't be strange if the main villain is the dungeon master. Also a big fan of how it reduces the characters to just their job, just like monsters are often reduced to just their job (i.e. Lizard Priest, Goblin Lord, etc.)
So I take it that you a.) Haven't heard of this guy and b.)don't understand the context behind the video. It's not even about goblin slayer.
From what I read of the manga these past few days, while the rape is treated as horrifying there's a lot that complicates it.
For one, a lot of the rape is drawn like a hentai.
Two, a lot of the women in the manga are OTT sexualised the rest of the time. Not necessarily Priestess but things like the elf leaning over a table and the short shirts riding enough up the ass that you get a full cheek shot, naked Bath scenes, massive things, naked in bed, huge tits in full view, etc... At least once a chapter or two this happens.
And three, while it does even out, there is a lot of sexual violence in the first 15 chapters. People mention Beserk and Berserk has a lot of issues with its depictions of rape (some scenes are meant to be more horrifying than others), the first 15 chapters are pretty full on.
Ultimately it's a great story all that aside, and can be pretty genuinely funny as well. Milage often varies considerably with how much people can look past rape in stories and sometimes people overreact. But I can't lie, GS would be vastly improved trimming down on that sort of thing, in terms of tone at the very least.
For one, a lot of the rape is drawn like a hentai.
Two, a lot of the women in the manga are OTT sexualised the rest of the time. Not necessarily Priestess but things like the elf leaning over a table and the short shirts riding enough up the ass that you get a full cheek shot, naked Bath scenes, massive things, naked in bed, huge tits in full view, etc... At least once a chapter or two this happens.
And three, while it does even out, there is a lot of sexual violence in the first 15 chapters. People mention Beserk and Berserk has a lot of issues with its depictions of rape (some scenes are meant to be more horrifying than others), the first 15 chapters are pretty full on.
Ultimately it's a great story all that aside, and can be pretty genuinely funny as well. Milage often varies considerably with how much people can look past rape in stories and sometimes people overreact. But I can't lie, GS would be vastly improved trimming down on that sort of thing, in terms of tone at the very least.
Setting aside the fact that I don't even read Goblin Slayer and entered the thread because I noticed it mentioned a few times lately, I am neither defending it nor criticising it. How could I? I haven't read it.
You are reading something into my post that isn't there. But I suspect you were too eager to post a gotcha post that it doesn't matter to you.
I was commentating on the format of the video. It is using strawman arguments to give the rebuttal of the author more weight.
Then again, I actually suspect he is aware of that.
While in universe excuses are used way too often to dismiss criticism, it happens way too often that people also willfully ignore the text itself to make a point, that would fall apart had they to incorporate it into their argument or criticism.
If anything I find this line of arguing to be as lazy as those that want to die on the hill of only using text to analyse something. One is too fixated on the work, to a point of fanatism, another is disregarding the text to make a point that at times may have nothing to do with it anymore.
While that in itself might constitute a valid thought experiment it fails as a critique of a given work. Now I expect more than just: Well it's just the way the world is. from an author, but I really don't hold fans to the same standard.