Media Create Sales: Week 40, 2018 (Oct 01 - Oct 07)

cw_sasuke said:

If you cant think of how a more powerful system can benefit the performance of 3rdParty games on a systems...even after i brought up n3DS, One X and co. as example i cant help you further.

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It's not that I can't think of how a Switch Pro would benefit third parties. The 3DS had a slow CPU. The Switch doesn't in comparison. The Xbox One X is a huge leap in performance compared to an Xbox One...... Except for the CPU.

The Switch can have a leap in something but its biggest constraint is its form factor. This is simply why I'm asking how powerful you expect it to be and where that power is going.

cw_sasuke said:

If you are saying that you dont think that a Switch revision is hitting next year and it wont have any effect on 3rdParty excitement and sales for the Holiday season 2019 - thats your right as well.

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I don't even know what you're talking about here because all I've been doing this whole time is ask you questions about this more powerful Switch that you claimed existed with such certainty that you can't even answer me a few questions about it.

I'm not denying the WSJ article about a Switch revision next year. But I am questioning people that expect a Switch Pro because they have expectations on what it can do in reaction to Matt and John Harker saying it exists with no other details whatsoever, when it's coming, what makes it a pro, nothing. So everyone's imaginations are just running wild now.

Guys, I'll let you all in on a secret. The PS5 exists.
"Holy fuck! I heard it's going be like ten PS4 Pros duct-taped together and it's releasing tomorrow!"

ggx2ac said:

It's not that I can't think of how a Switch Pro would benefit third parties. The 3DS had a slow CPU. The Switch doesn't in comparison. The Xbox One X is a huge leap in performance compared to an Xbox One...... Except for the CPU.

The Switch can have a leap in something but its biggest constraint is its form factor. This is simply why I'm asking how powerful you expect it to be and where that power is going.



I don't even know what you're talking about here because all I've been doing this whole time is ask you questions about this more powerful Switch that you claimed existed with such certainty that you can't even answer me a few questions about it.

I'm not denying the WSJ article about a Switch revision next year. But I am questioning people that expect a Switch Pro because they have expectations on what it can do in reaction to Matt and John Harker saying it exists with no other details whatsoever, when it's coming, what makes it a pro, nothing. So everyone's imaginations are just running wild now.

Guys, I'll let you all in on a secret. The PS5 exists.
"Holy fuck! I heard it's going be like ten PS4 Pros duct-taped together and it's releasing tomorrow!"

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There doesnt seem to be much of discussion possible if you keep asking questions i couldnt possibly give you the answers to - even if had them.

My initial post was about the longterm viability of the Switch eco system for 3rdParties and that Nintendo would introduce things in the upcoming year to keep hype, engagement and interest levels high - which would benefit 3rdParty projects. We know from the past that plenty of projects benefited from launching around or with hardware redesign and revision, i also mentioned the availability of bigger cards and streaming.

Worst case scenario is that the revision speeds up the adaption rate of the system, with people upgrading and giving their current console to other family members. But im sure there will be a couple key titles launch around that time as well as we have seen with the DSi and n3DS in the past.

Your fixation with the specs would make more sense if i said that big games would come exclusive to the new system, but i dont see this being the case...so whatever specs they go for, most devs will make sure that they run on the base/current Switch as well.

A similar upgrade isnt possible because the base Switch isnt a monster like the OG Phat DS - but the transition from DS to DS Lite is one big example of what a revision can do for a plattform.

Chris1964 said:

Even if we assume Switch Pro will be a big upgrade who exactly will be that publisher that will release games incompatible with standard model and ignore entirely that userbase?

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Yeah same reason we won't get any third party that release PS Pro exclusive titles or new 3DS exclusive stuff. The only publisher that would do this is well nintendo and even they have no reason to.

cw_sasuke said:

Your fixation with the specs would make more sense if i said that big games would come exclusive to the new system, but i dont see this being the case...so whatever specs they go for, most devs will make sure that they run on the base/current Switch as well.

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You said there's a more powerful Switch coming and that it's coming second half next year.

But you can't even tell me what makes it powerful.

I could just say that Nintendo is releasing a really good game next year.

"Can you tell me about it?"

No.

cw_sasuke said:

There doesnt seem to be much of discussion possible if you keep asking questions i couldnt possibly give you the answers to - even if had them.

My initial post was about the longterm viability of the Switch eco system for 3rdParties and that Nintendo would introduce things in the upcoming year to keep hype, engagement and interest levels high - which would benefit 3rdParty projects. We know from the past that plenty of projects benefited from launching around or with hardware redesign and revision, i also mentioned the availability of bigger cards and streaming.

Worst case scenario is that the revision speeds up the adaption rate of the system, with people upgrading and giving their current console to other family members. But im sure there will be a couple key titles launch around that time as well as we have seen with the DSi and n3DS in the past.

Your fixation with the specs would make more sense if i said that big games would come exclusive to the new system, but i dont see this being the case...so whatever specs they go for, most devs will make sure that they run on the base/current Switch as well.

A similar upgrade isnt possible because the base Switch isnt a monster like the OG Phat DS - but the transition from DS to DS Lite is one big example of what a revision can do for a plattform.

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I want to know if your original argument really was just about generating more buzz, because initially it seemed like you implied a pro version would facilitate ports of more demanding games. A cheaper more portable revision in combination with Pokémon next year, would also help Switchs momentum.

Chris1964 said:

Even if we assume Switch Pro will be a big upgrade who exactly will be that publisher that will release games incompatible with standard model and ignore entirely that userbase?

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The ones that are not feasible right now? Resident Evil 2 Remake or Final Fantasy 15 or something in that direction could make the jump to Switch Pro and not be a very high investment. I don't see the problem in making exclusive Switch Pro games if they cant run on Switch.

The user base for a Switch Pro will grow pretty fast mind, and I don't see any reason to miss out on the initial launch sales with some exclusives.

Chris1964 said:

Even if we assume Switch Pro will be a big upgrade who exactly will be that publisher that will release games incompatible with standard model and ignore entirely that userbase?

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I dont think anyone outside of ggx2ac has mentioned games being exclusive to that plattform.

ggx2ac said:

You said there's a more powerful Switch coming and that it's coming second half next year.

But you can't even tell me what makes it powerful.

I could just say that Nintendo is releasing a really good game next year.

"Can you tell me about it?"

No.

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Higher clocked and more ram - the usual. I also brought up the DSi and n3DS references.

Chris1964 said:

Even if we assume Switch Pro will be a big upgrade who exactly will be that publisher that will release games incompatible with standard model and ignore entirely that userbase?

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Koei, Nicalis and RCMADIAX.

ACL said:

I want to know if your original argument really was just about generating more buzz, because initially it seemed like you implied a pro version would facilitate ports of more demanding games. A cheaper more portable revision in combination with Pokémon next year, would also help Switchs momentum.

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I said a more powerful Switch was coming - we know that its a given.
We also know that a Revision is likely for next year to helpt the systems momentum. The more powerful Switch might not be the same as the Revision heading to the market next year...the overall point that Nintendo is gonna release something to keep the momentum up still stands.

Back to my original argument - even if you misunderstood the initial post, after ggx2ax askes aboutr it i made it clear that im not talking about a system that would be getting exclusive games or is powerful enough to make ports happen that arent feasible on the base Switch.

As you said - 3rdPartys would obv. also benefit from a smaller, cheaper Switch as well - whatever results in a bigger install base and more sales. Especially with 2019 being the year where its expected for the bigger portables franchises to come back - like AC, Pokemon, Monster Hunter and whatever Level 5 decides to drop.

So I guess Mario Party actually sold 285 736 copies.

There won't be big third party games exclusive to a revision. This is borderline fanfic territory.

cw_sasuke said:

Higher clocked and more ram - the usual. I also brought up the DSi and n3DS references.

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I'm amazed it took this long just to get this half-assed answer.

ggx2ac said:

I'm amazed it took this long just to get this half-assed answer.

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I actually invested enough time to make sure you understood where i was coming from - this is a sales data/market performance thread and going into technical details wasnt the goal of my argument. If im talking about a more powerful Switch, that still plays the same games as the OG Switch and doesnt get exclusives - also list DSI, n3DS and One X as an example.

You really need me to tell you i meant " higher clock speed and more ram" ?

Though i realize what you were attempting here - i still dont get why.

Heartskips said:

There won't be big third party games exclusive to a revision. This is borderline fanfic territory.

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True, but i also dont see anyone else making this claim...at least not in the last couple pages of this thread.

Heartskips said:

There won't be big third party games exclusive to a revision. This is borderline fanfic territory.

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Yes just like GBC, DSi and n3DS. Pure fanfic.

can that stupid talk about switch pro just move onto the billion of switch pro threads while this thread stay focused on the current japanese state of the market rather than talking about a console that does not exist at the moment

there's no basis in any argument here

LordKano said:

can that stupid talk about switch pro just move onto the billion of switch pro threads while this thread stay focused on the current japanese state of the market rather than talking about a console that does not exist at the moment

there's no basis in any argument here

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Agreed. Switch Pro won't be relevant to these threads until it launches next fall with MHP5.

fiendcode said:

Yes just like GBC, DSi and n3DS. Pure fanfic.

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He is right in that the n3DS or DSi never did recieve big exclusives from 3rdPartys - it just didnt made alot of sense to go exclusive.
This doesnt mean that we cant have 3rdParty games that use the additional features and power available. Which is what we will see on Switch as well once a more powerful version drops.

fiendcode said:

Yes just like GBC, DSi and n3DS. Pure fanfic.

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DSi had a lot of exclusive games, thanks to DSiWare. ;)

But I doubt we'll get a hugely powerful Switch with tons of big third-party releases.

cw_sasuke said:

He is right in that the n3DS or DSi never did recieve big exclusives from 3rdPartys - it just didnt made alot of sense to go exclusive.
This doesnt mean that we had 3rdParty games that used the additional features and power available. Which is what we will see on Switch as well once a more powerful version drops.

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Chris1964 said:

Are you want to put DSi and n3DS in there?

The only "big" title I can think is Xenoblade port and that's from Nintendo.

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n3DS got the biggest 3rd party game in the world as an exclusive: Minecraft.

Last 2-3 pages has been insane. cw_sasuke is being completely reasonable and explaining how he thinks and it feels like everybody argues past him for whatever reason. It's been quite embarrassing to read through.

I'd personally wait until we know what the Switch Pro is before we rule anything out. If Nintendo go the Apple route with hardware revisions, a minor number of exclusives from third parties could make sense, but naturally at this point this is not something we should assume, which I definitely not felt like sasuke ever implied.

ggx2ac said:

You said there's a more powerful Switch coming and that it's coming second half next year.

But you can't even tell me what makes it powerful.

I could just say that Nintendo is releasing a really good game next year.

"Can you tell me about it?"

No.

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Why aren't you asking these questions to the insiders who have claimed a Switch Pro is coming instead? How should we possibly know!?

Some of yall like to engage in pointless squables. We'll know if a Switch Pro is in the cards in time. For right here right now, it's nothing we can know. It's all speculation, just take it as such

Why people gotta act like assholes over this is beyond me.

fiendcode said:

n3DS got the biggest 3rd party game in the world as an exclusive: Minecraft.

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This was an exception though - not the norm.
Not saying its impossible, same way some Switch games like Mario Party will offer no portable mode...but yeah, thats clearly an exception.

Over time this can happen more often though - the n3DS had more or less replaced the OG 3DS for all SKU outside of the OG 2DS already. So it was more or less the standard system, which is also why stuff like FE Warriors happened.

I dont see them dropping the base Switch anytime soon though. It will be good enough for alot of kind of games that appeal to the audience - the 3DS was really low spec in comparison heh.

Chauzu said:

Last 2-3 pages has been insane. cw_sasuke is being completely reasonable and explaining how he thinks and it feels like everybody argues past him for whatever reason. It's been quite embarrassing to read through.

I'd personally wait until we know what the Switch Pro is before we rule anything out. If Nintendo go the Apple route with hardware revisions, a minor number of exclusives from third parties could make sense, but naturally at this point this is not something we should assume, which I definitely not felt like sasuke ever implied.

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Thanks mate - my initial statement was quite harmless indeed.
But in this thread any kind of positive non- Doom and Gloom posts often result in some people lashing out with all kind of things you never implied, just to get you to submit to their point of view.

RE7, MvCI,MHW, RE2R, DMCV all etc. didnt hit the Switch. All i said was that next FY, starting 2019 would be the in line timing wise with when i could see a big Capcom release happen. Two years after the launch of the Switch and the confirmation of it being a success.

I also added that the Switch is here to stay and Nintendo will introduce updates, revisions etc. next year that will make the system more viable and attractive for 3rdPartys next year. As in keep the momentum going.

Somehow this got taken out of context saying that there will be Pro Switch with exclusive games or that Capcom wont prepare AAA for PS5/Nextbox anymore.

They'll need to drop the base Switch due to TX1 using a retired fab node. Or else we're getting two revisions.

Zalman said:

So Pikmin 3 did eventually cross the one million mark? I don't think it has been officially stated anywhere.

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LordByron28 said:

In 2014, they released updated totals of their Wii, DS, 3DS and Wii U software and hardware. Pikmin 3 was listed under their Wii U million sellers.

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Celine didn't report this game on his topic :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ni...ardware-sales-data-from-1983-to-present.2725/

But we all know that Nintendo didn't report games that became million seller on 2 different Fiscal year.
They just report million seller only on the current fiscal year.
It's obvious that Pikmin 3 and Captain toad became million seller even if Nintendo didn't report officially.

After all, even F-zero GX became million seller.
1,5M according to Toshihiro Nagoshi.

cw_sasuke said:

If im talking about a more powerful Switch, that still plays the same games as the OG Switch and doesnt get exclusives - also list DSI, n3DS and One X as an example.

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You can't even compare a "more powerful Switch" to an Xbox One X unless you're suggesting it's going to be the most powerful console ever and runs games at 4K.

I know what you said here:

cw_sasuke said:

The One to One X is the best recent example of how a powerful Pro console can help out the overall eco system of a plattform. From current-gen games to classics and especially in terms of marketing and mindshare.

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But the Xbox One X has the hook of "The most powerful console" running games at 4K and has Gamepass and BC.

Switch doesn't even have any of those. That's why I said the only improvement that could be made is handheld mode. Because whatever "higher clock and more ram" there is, isn't the same thing as being an Xbox One X.

The other things you said: "Bigger game card sizes and streaming" are things the current Switch can already do. There's no difference that a "more powerful Switch" could do for bigger game cards and streaming unless it can run games at 4K and have 4G wireless internet.

Meanwhile an Xbox One X can run BC games and/or Gamepass games at 4K, which is why people have an incentive to get it over an Xbox One S.

cw_sasuke said:

You really need me to tell you i meant " higher clock speed and more ram" ?

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No because that answer is half assed and vague as fuck.

ggx2ac said:

No because that answer is half assed and vague as fuck.

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How about you then? You seem to heavily imply a Switch Pro is a bad idea here. Care to elaborate a bit?

Chris1964 said:

So 3DS got a game that is ported to every system under the sun at the end of the of 3DS life when new 3DS userbase was big enough to justify it's existence.

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I never said that. I just said Minecraft n3DS exists.

A Switch Pro with exclusive games will be a slap in the face for Nintendo fans. Those who bought Switch day one are the most loyal supporters of Nintendo. You can't just tell them their $300 machine is obsolete in two years.

Chauzu said:

Why aren't you asking these questions to the insiders who have claimed a Switch Pro is coming instead? How should we possibly know!?

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Hey Einstein, they never said a more powerful Switch was coming. CW_Sasuke was the one who said it.

About Capcom, i don't think that Switch needs AAA capcom games.
Switch needs AA capcom exclusives games as Zack and Wiki ( reamaster or new game ) for example or a new Power stone.
Yeah, AA exclusives is perfect, i'm still waiting a new Klonoa...

Aters said:

A Switch Pro with exclusive games will be a slap in the face for Nintendo fans. Those who bought Switch day one are the most loyal supporters of Nintendo. You can't just tell them their $300 machine is obsolete in two years.

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What if Nintendo hit them with a "your two+ years old console is still perfectly fine for a few more years but if you already now want your games to look a bit better and run a bit better, I got a little optional thing for you here".

ggx2ac said:

Hey Einstein, they never said a more powerful Switch was coming. CW_Sasuke was the one who said it.

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Are we living in a universe where reputable insiders haven't heavily hinted a Switch Pro is coming next year!? And what does your reply even have to do with what I asked you!? If your only issue is that a Switch Pro doesn't exist then what the fuck are all the other questions you asked sasuke about? You're being a fool.

ggx2ac said:

Hey Einstein, they never said a more powerful Switch was coming. CW_Sasuke was the one who said it.

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To be fair, John harker said "it exists" in a thread about the existence of a "switch pro"

So, it's still vague, but there's that...

ggx2ac said:

You can't even compare a "more powerful Switch" to an Xbox One X unless you're suggesting it's going to be the most powerful console ever and runs games at 4K.

I know what you said here:


But the Xbox One X has the hook of "The most powerful console" running games at 4K and has Gamepass and BC.

Switch doesn't even have any of those. That's why I said the only improvement that could be made is handheld mode. Because whatever "higher clock and more ram" there is, isn't the same thing as being an Xbox One X.

The other things you said: "Bigger game card sizes and streaming" are things the current Switch can already do. There's no difference that a "more powerful Switch" could do for bigger game cards and streaming unless it can run games at 4K and have 4G wireless internet.

Meanwhile an Xbox One X can run BC games and/or Gamepass games at 4K, which is why people have an incentive to get it over an Xbox One S.



No because that answer is half assed and vague as fuck.

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Card size or streaming are obv. not limited to a Pro Version or Revision....i dont even know how you could come to that conclusion. I just listed a bunch of things that are going on that will help 3rdParties to make money on the Switch in the longterm - the Switch as a plattform isnt going anywhere.

People are upgrading to the One X because its a powerful console - it does everything the One does ...but better. Same way alot of people upgraded from the DS to DS, 3DS to n3DS, PS4 to Pro and so on....improvement on whatever games or OS you are already familiar with.

The notion that people will only upgrade to a system if it can be labeled "the most powerful console" ever is ridiculous. Especially when we are talking about a Nintendo portable/Hybrid system. People will upgrade if games perform better on that system compared to the base system, if they are able use their Bluetooth headsets, better battery life, if the Screen/Design is better, extra Ram allows them to stream to twitch and co. or run other apps in the backgrounds.

Their are plenty of additions and features they could introduce to make people want to get a revision. Same for the online service - they will improve on that as well overt time.

I dont see Nintendo releasing a Switch revision next year that doesnt have a "hook", caters to a market demand or has trouble selling. They wouldnt bother with it if they didnt think they could sell it.

Chauzu said:

What if Nintendo hit them with a "your two+ years old console is still perfectly fine for a few more years but if you already now want your games to look a bit better and run a bit better, I got a little optional thing for you here".

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That will be like PS4 Pro and XBox One X. It's fine. But in this case the upgrade won't benefit 3rd parties.

Raguy said:

About Capcom, i don't think that Switch needs AAA capcom games.
Switch needs AA capcom exclusives games as Zack and Wiki ( reamaster or new game ) for example or a new Power stone.
Yeah, AA exclusives is perfect, i'm still waiting a new Klonoa...

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Not exclusive but multiplatform. I think Dev 2 will do things like Ace Attorney 7 and Sengoku Basara 5 that way for example.

Aters said:

That will be like PS4 Pro and XBox One X. It's fine. But in this case the upgrade won't benefit 3rd parties.

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You think 3rdParty sales on One and PS4 dont benefit from Pro/X being on the market ?
We know thats not true unless you already forgot about the last couple years of the PS360 generation.

I think they would have a harder time right now against the PC market if it wasnt for those updates - def. in terms of mindshare for a lot of hardcore players and people that upgraded to 4K.

I'd just like to end this discussion on my part at least by encouraging people to instead of implying things in the future maybe just say it and when people reply to what others say they actually reply to the actual words quoted and nothing else.

I will now return to wait for the 2nd week Mario Party sales...

To be clear, "online platform" is nigh entirely mobile, plus some browser game revenue and a handful of online PC games, but it can basically be read as mobile revenue in practical terms: https://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/printing_annual/2018/ssh_ar18e_web.pdf

Chris1964 said:

You clearly implied big third party exclusives for DSi and n3DS. I'll give you first party too. Who are they, Minecraft?

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No I didn't. I simply said exclusive games existed. And Minecraft is a pretty notable one.

GBC didn't really get many big 3rd party exclusives either. It did do more on the 1st party front though with things like Pokémon Crystal, Zelda Oracles and Wario Land 3.

Chauzu said:

I'd just like to end this discussion on my part at least by encouraging people to instead of implying things in the future maybe just say it and when people reply to what others say they actually reply to the actual words quoted and nothing else.

I will now return to wait for the 2nd week Mario Party sales...

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Glad to see a good Mario Party being embraced by the market.

I really hope they keep updating it over the generation and dont drop multiple entries on Switch.
A big update pack every season would be cool. Lets see how they handle it.

Would be interested to see/read what kind of impact the game had on Joycon sales as well heh.

Is Japan getting the joy con bundle? Should be a big seller since it's essentially a free joy con

cw_sasuke said:

You think 3rdParty sales on One and PS4 dont benefit from Pro/X being on the market ?
We know thats not true unless you already forgot about the last couple years of the PS360 generation.

I think they would have a harder time right now against the PC market if it wasnt for those updates - def. in terms of mindshare for a lot of hardcore players and people that upgraded to 4K.

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Since PS4 and XBX are already in the market, I can reply you without derailing the thread. For 3rd parties, these revisions don't help sales at all. All they do is make people buy games on console instead of PC. But $60 is $60, no matter where you spend it.