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Blargonaut

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Fanto

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I think there's something off about Chuggernaut so far here today. He ends yesterday voting for Geno and throwing shade at the B-Dubs lynch. I could make the argument this is because he already knew B-Dubs was Town and wanted to set himself up for some I-Told-You-So's today and to continue looking down on the people who voted there.

Geno and Terra not wanting to vote for each other gives me weird feelings about both of them. The reasoning for that B-Dubs vote struck me as lazy. That Melon vote at the end was weird as hell too. A lot of shady shit going on.
Here's his first post (besides the flavor joke) from today. Throws some side eyes at Geno and Terra, continues to I-Told-You-So about the B-Dubs lynch, and then goes after Melon's vote.
I was going to make a case for Zipped being scum later down the like cause it felt like he was coasting. I have a bad habit of scum reading that dude when he's town
Seems like a weird thing to say once he flipped town, Faddy kind of poked at this a bit too, he didn't seem to follow up much so I won't scum read it, but it sticks out to me.
I feel like room speculation is pointless until we get more information. I'm also not moving out of the quarters until I figure what the fuck moving does. I will fucking die in here
I'm pretty sure complaining about room speculation was one of the things that made me feel weird about Chuggernaut yesterday, and now here he is doing it again. Just feels like a weak reason he wants to use to start a scum read on someone.
Really? You're doubling down on this? How is that proof? I said that I thought it was weird, but didn't think it was a scum move, and then explained why I didn't think it was when questioned. And hey, I was right.
Yeah, Comrade doesn't make any sense, that's all fine, but there is still some more I-Told-You-So about B-Dubs that I noticed here in this post.
Terra's being really aggressive while saying the votes on him were lazy while going with the lazy B-Dubs lynch on day 1 is some bullshit and I'm not buying it
And now he wants to shade Terra for being on the B-Dubs lynch, linking two of the things from his first post (Terra not voting Geno and B-Dubs votes being lazy). Also, Melon posted somewhere between those posts, and he didn't try to question her even though she was one of the people he mentioned in his first post.

Overall, this is kind of sketchy to me right now, and it adds on to a feeling I had about him yesterday.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think there's something off about Chuggernaut so far here today. He ends yesterday voting for Geno and throwing shade at the B-Dubs lynch. I could make the argument this is because he already knew B-Dubs was Town and wanted to set himself up for some I-Told-You-So's today and to continue looking down on the people who voted there.


Here's his first post (besides the flavor joke) from today. Throws some side eyes at Geno and Terra, continues to I-Told-You-So about the B-Dubs lynch, and then goes after Melon's vote.

Seems like a weird thing to say once he flipped town, Faddy kind of poked at this a bit too, he didn't seem to follow up much so I won't scum read it, but it sticks out to me.

I'm pretty sure complaining about room speculation was one of the things that made me feel weird about Chuggernaut yesterday, and now here he is doing it again. Just feels like a weak reason he wants to use to start a scum read on someone.

Yeah, Comrade doesn't make any sense, that's all fine, but there is still some more I-Told-You-So about B-Dubs that I noticed here in this post.

And now he wants to shade Terra for being on the B-Dubs lynch, linking two of the things from his first post (Terra not voting Geno and B-Dubs votes being lazy). Also, Melon posted somewhere between those posts, and he didn't try to question her even though she was one of the people he mentioned in his first post.

Overall, this is kind of sketchy to me right now, and it adds on to a feeling I had about him yesterday.

Why thanks for reinforcing why I was suspicious of Chuggs in the first place
 

Sorian

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Oct 25, 2017
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Chuggernaut feels a bit blind spot for me, I don't have any meat to go on and he's just present enough that I don't think much of it. There's a lot of " i told you so" mentality going on but that can be normal with new players and I don't know his overall skill level.
 

Poltergust

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Oct 25, 2017
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Again, very weak argument. Thanks to you harping on this so much you got me to check the actual vote count and I had a whopping ZERO votes on me when I last posted at the time. How the hell was I supposed to know the narrative would be turned against me when I wasn't even present to begin with. You keep ignoring the fact that I wasn't even here to defend myself as if I'm expected to play this game when I can't. That alone discredits that point.

I did attempt to diffuse the situation. You act as if I popped in and twiddled my damn thumbs. I was literally sitting at my computer for the entire last ~two hours of the day doing what I could to do myself justice, and I specifically called out the people voting me because their reasons were not explained well. So again, not making any sense. There's literally nothing more I could have done since I don't control how others vote.

I answered the last bit above because that's one hell of a misconception you got there if you think EoD somehow supersedes all the other precedings that take place throughout the entire 48 hours.

And to say I should vote for two people I openly said I was against voting makes even less sense. Literally my last post on Geno said he was a town read, so why would I vote for him? B-Dubs was a null read as I said before and I only voted him when I had to for self preservation at the very end. You talk about "bad play" a lot, but "bad play" is voting for a town read for self preservation. If anything, that's one suspect as hell sentence you got there. Sounds like you thought I should have made up a reason to hop on a bandwagon that I was actively against, which is the definition of "terrible play." That's definitely not how I play. I stick to my own reads and plan accordingly.
*deep breath*

OK, just listen to me. Because of what you did, we now have two (alleged) cops exposed plus a relatively useless final vote tally for Day 1. I do not consider this to be a better outcome to you simply being lynched Day 1 (even if you are a cop) because this is more harmful to town long-term. If you are who you say you are, you will now be NK'd or perpetually roleblocked, so town loses an important asset in your ability in addition to losing a townie due to the mislynch. You're not even going to be able to use your ability once. Your role claim has shifted the tide of the game very strongly to the Mafia side of things.

You only had like ~90 minutes to shift votes away from you? Fine, but you still need to consider the logical outcome of something like that. If you weren't going to be lynched, then Geno or B-Dubs would most likely be the ones who would be lynched instead. The conversation surrounding the last hours of the day was revolving around you three, so there was still little reason for you to not have voted for either of them until the very end of the day.

Look, if you are actually town, I get the need to keep yourself alive so you can help us. But, you really mishandled how to go about things. You need to consider what would happen when you make a role claim in that sort of situation and ask yourself "is this really the most beneficial thing I can do for town?". Because as things stand right now, the answer to that question is a resounding "no".
 

Fanto

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Chuggernaut feels a bit blind spot for me, I don't have any meat to go on and he's just present enough that I don't think much of it. There's a lot of " i told you so" mentality going on but that can be normal with new players and I don't know his overall skill level.
Fair enough yeah, and this is the first game I've played with him, so I don't know how he plays on that level. I just had this feeling like he set himself up yesterday to be right about B-Dubs today, and he seems to want to go with the idea of B-Dubs votes being inherently bad (funny that Comrade seems to think that too, but whatever).
 
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I think there's something off about Chuggernaut so far here today. He ends yesterday voting for Geno and throwing shade at the B-Dubs lynch. I could make the argument this is because he already knew B-Dubs was Town and wanted to set himself up for some I-Told-You-So's today and to continue looking down on the people who voted there.


Here's his first post (besides the flavor joke) from today. Throws some side eyes at Geno and Terra, continues to I-Told-You-So about the B-Dubs lynch, and then goes after Melon's vote.

Seems like a weird thing to say once he flipped town, Faddy kind of poked at this a bit too, he didn't seem to follow up much so I won't scum read it, but it sticks out to me.

I'm pretty sure complaining about room speculation was one of the things that made me feel weird about Chuggernaut yesterday, and now here he is doing it again. Just feels like a weak reason he wants to use to start a scum read on someone.

Yeah, Comrade doesn't make any sense, that's all fine, but there is still some more I-Told-You-So about B-Dubs that I noticed here in this post.

And now he wants to shade Terra for being on the B-Dubs lynch, linking two of the things from his first post (Terra not voting Geno and B-Dubs votes being lazy). Also, Melon posted somewhere between those posts, and he didn't try to question her even though she was one of the people he mentioned in his first post.

Overall, this is kind of sketchy to me right now, and it adds on to a feeling I had about him yesterday.

I still do suspect Melon, but there's not much to go off of in that post she made, and other people beat me to it. I really wasn't super pleased with how the EoD turned out, so I kind of went a little too hard on the I told you so's. I'm not really sure what point you're making with the room thing? I never scum read anyone for that.




I'm glad you pointed this out, because I would of otherwise.
 
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Fair enough yeah, and this is the first game I've played with him, so I don't know how he plays on that level. I just had this feeling like he set himself up yesterday to be right about B-Dubs today, and he seems to want to go with the idea of B-Dubs votes being inherently bad (funny that Comrade seems to think that too, but whatever).

Okay, so this is a misunderstanding on my part, so sorry. I do think the votes on him were lazy, but it's day 1 and that shit happens sometimes. What I think is weird is that Terra wants to act like all votes on him are lazy while also going with a lazy lynch.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nowhere
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what's happening I need reads to give credence to wild ass theories

You are sheeping Fantomas. That's what is happening.

Preventing a tie huh

Yeah, that's we people were saying at the time. I didn't have that much time to catch up before EoD. Didn't like any of the lynches for D1 personally.

Why are you and Faddy so interested in me this game? He comes at me for meta and timezones and you like to tag me.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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You are sheeping Fantomas. That's what is happening.



Yeah, that's we people were saying at the time. I didn't have that much time to catch up before EoD. Didn't like any of the lynches for D1 personally.

Why are you and Faddy so interested in me this game? He comes at me for meta and timezones and you like to tag me.


You're coasting btw
 

Verelios

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yes, vote for the person who I claimed to be a town read? Between a town read and a null read I'm definitely not going for the former.
Your entire town read is based on a conversation with Geno where he goes 'lol okay' and meta reasoning. This is your own thought process
Seems like you must be lurking pretty hard there based on how quickly you responded. So you got an answer or what?

Why? Most people who moved have other posts as well, so it's not like we're grasping for reasons to provide more content. Ironic coming from you when your only posts are a joke post and a post complaining about other people posting. If you're really so bent over people contributing you could try to adding something yourself if you're just going to complain.

You came across initially as if you had some beef with those who moved so I was prodding you to see if you thought that was actually relevant and indicative or anything.

That was the reason I was prodding him in the first place. Similar to what Sorian posted, I just wanted Geno to want to do something for himself rather than lurking and making someone force him to actually do something of note. His initial post came across as if he was suspicious so prodding him was an attempt to get him to actually explain his reasoning as opposed to sitting back doing nothing, as was the case until I pushed him to do something.

I'm not even suspicious of Geno, if anything I feel the opposite after our exchange. And I don't get how you say I did "nothing new" when you reference the fact that I was the only one to push Geno to actually participate in discussion as opposed to lurking and coasting. I've done other things besides that so I'm not sure what you're missing here.


It's nothing new in mafia to have similar thoughts as others. I don't recall someone saying those exact thoughts on Febe but I could have glossed over it. But to say the entirety of my actions are straight up regurgitation and restatements of what has already been said is outright false my guy.

Just getting out of research lab shit so I'm behind. I know EoD is coming close so I'll try to catch up ASAP


Pivot from Geno? I only expressed my read on Geno once, and that was town. So that doesn't make any sense. And if you read my posts in response to Kalor, it was a gradual build up in which I explained my reasoning. Which brings me to


What about my vote was remotely forced? I called out specific posts he made which crescendoed with him jumping on the exact same reason Sorian and Faddy(?) used against me. In addition to the fact that his assertion against me didn't make any sense and came across as filler to throw some shade.

Still want to reread what I missed, but before it gets too late in the day I want to make sure I shared my thoughts on Geno and why I thought he was town.

Town Geno that I'm very familiar with is more of a "I do what I want" type of player who doesn't always see reason to share his logic. It was his initial dodginess with me and posts like the following that stood out as reminding me of that behavior.



The part of his current play that gives me pause is that he's not playing. Town Geno is a lot of things, but he most certainly puts up a fight when it seems as if he's on the verge of being lynched. The only time in the heat of the moment where he cocks back is when he gets frustrated and gives everyone the whole "you'll see how wrong you are when I flip" spiel. Geno that is actively coasting is generally scum Geno (as I was able to pick up on pretty quickly the last game I played with scum Geno).

But regardless, at the moment I'm not confident in voting him.

I thought I quoted more than I did but apparently not. But that one quote I did take from him was not just answering questions, that's what pushed me over into voting for him. My thoughts on him were clear and explained so it shouldn't come across as any surprise.




A "back and forth" doesn't insinuate anything about my perception of his alignment. I dropped it because Geno went into that phase he frequently does as town where he starts ignoring people when he doesn't want to engage any further. Which is one of the reasons I explained before why I town read him.

I also disagree on the point on Kalor, and I didn't think it warranted a direct response when I literally elaborated further in my very next post. There was some momentum pushing against me early on, so Kalor making false accusations and using a restated explanation as a case against me did not sit well with me at all. Felt as if he was mounting suspicions further so he could pounce on my vote when it started picking up pace.

I've also played enough mafia to not make the very obvious and dumb move of intentionally pushing a bandwagon a third of the way through the day. Especially not one that was only two votes in and hardly even room to bank hard enough to wagon on.
Whole thing reeks of indecisive pussyfooting. You had one convo with Geno, he ducked and now you're trying to fit past games into a town read. Just...wow. Should've went with gut instead of meta.
 

Verelios

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Oct 26, 2017
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You are sheeping Fantomas. That's what is happening.



Yeah, that's we people were saying at the time. I didn't have that much time to catch up before EoD. Didn't like any of the lynches for D1 personally.

Why are you and Faddy so interested in me this game? He comes at me for meta and timezones and you like to tag me.
Oh man, careful not to fall off that horse Melon. I was tagging you because you've been M.I.A for a while which is somewhat uncharacterstic, and your 'no tie' was very opportunistic. And I'm going to keep on tagging you until you slink out of the ether.
 

Fanto

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I still do suspect Melon, but there's not much to go off of in that post she made, and other people beat me to it. I really wasn't super pleased with how the EoD turned out, so I kind of went a little too hard on the I told you so's. I'm not really sure what point you're making with the room thing? I never scum read anyone for that.





I'm glad you pointed this out, because I would of otherwise.
With the room thing my point was thinking that you might want to use that to make a scum read on someone in the future, not that you have already, I might not have made that clear but that's what I was going for. Just the thought that you want to set yourself up to scum read someone later for something that ultimately isn't that big of a deal but could be framed that way.

However,
Okay, so this is a misunderstanding on my part, so sorry. I do think the votes on him were lazy, but it's day 1 and that shit happens sometimes. What I think is weird is that Terra wants to act like all votes on him are lazy while also going with a lazy lynch.
Ok, I see that point, I think I just read into that a bit more than I should have. Terra is in an odd spot for me because I agree with Faddy that it's probably not wise to be lynching these Cop claims yet, but I feel the suspicion.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Your entire town read is based on a conversation with Geno where he goes 'lol okay' and meta reasoning. This is your own thought process













Whole thing reeks of indecisive pussyfooting. You had one convo with Geno, he ducked and now you're trying to fit past games into a town read. Just...wow. Should've went with gut instead of meta.


Boy this whole post is damning enough on it's own
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
3,103
Nowhere
Oh man, careful not to fall off that horse Melon. I was tagging you because you've been M.I.A for a while which is somewhat uncharacterstic, and your 'no tie' was very opportunistic. And I'm going to keep on tagging you until you slink out of the ether.

I do like ponies.

I am no longer in the same timezone which is noted in the roster if you look. Which is I've been more absent this past day phase. It seems weird you instead of simply asking you've been quite vague about your meaning until now.

Like if you want more shitposting.
 

Stantastic

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Oct 25, 2017
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While it is baseless speculation. How do we feel about the fact Zipped was in a room with only poltergust?

Mafia potentially avoiding a watcher type role?
nothing we can really glean from this now with only the single data point but a good thing to keep in mind on future days.
I think Sparkster looks scummy in every game but this is worse than usual right?

Were we supposed to suspect Polter for being in the same room as Zipped? What scum team would expect that to work?
Yes, but then i tend to be very biased gainst sparks.
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Stantastic

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Terra. (And forgive me if i have missed something here, you aint the only busy one) Can you actually point out the breadcrumb you have been ever so indignant about?
You have been asked about it several times but just seem to ignore it everytime.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
3,103
Nowhere
Can we talk about the fact Sorian is still alive? I do no feel safe with everything I know to be a lie.

Ocular patdowns for everyone until we can virtually assess what is going on.

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Oct 27, 2017
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OH SURE

shift attention to Sorian

play on that meta about Sorian being scum

OH SURE WHY NOT

That's always a crowd pleaser

gotta play the greatest hits
 

Verelios

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Oct 26, 2017
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I do like ponies.

I am no longer in the same timezone which is noted in the roster if you look. Which is I've been more absent this past day phase. It seems weird you instead of simply asking you've been quite vague about your meaning until now.

Like if you want more shitposting.
Vague about what? Because I haven't been vague about wanting to hear from you.
 

Blargonaut

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Oct 26, 2017
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"There are nineteen of us left and four rooms in this bunker. It is paramount that we find out as soon as possible if our enemy requires to be in the same room as their victim; hence, from now on I am enforcing a rota of presence.

First, I am sorry but we simply must kill Poltergust today. Him being alone with zipped last Night is too much of a red flag to ignore, and the confirmation or denial of a presence-to-kill requirement is too vital to stay for anyone's sake.

Secondly, from now on we must schedule together, who is to be in which room each Night; as I said, nineteen people, four rooms. The QUARTERS. DINING ROOM. The REC ROOM. And the LIBRARY. Tonight, two rooms will have five (5) people each, and two rooms will have four (4). Hence, I propose the following arrangements:

FOR NIGHT 2
QUARTERS (5): *Splinter, Stanleypalmtree, nin, Fantomas, melonrabbit
DINING ROOM (4): Sorian, Terraforce, Blargonaut, malus
REC ROOM (5): Fireblend, Kalor, Lone_Prodigy, Ketkat, Comrade Sparkster
LIBRARY (4): Faddy, Verelios, Geno, TheChuggernaut

You have nothing to lose by disagreeing. And anyone who doesn't comply with the rostering will be punished. Now hurry up, it's getting cold.

...Faddy, you can go now."


 

Sorian

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Oct 25, 2017
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I actually like this Blarg. He's solving a puzzle, I'd leave him be.
 

Fanto

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I've never seen Town-Blarg so it's like, kind of weird for me to try to see good motiviations coming from him haha, but I will admit that this is vastly different than when he was Scum. I don't think I agree with him here, but I can see where he is coming from right now assuming he actually believes this, I think he's just viewing the game in a very different way.
 

Blargonaut

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Oct 26, 2017
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"To those of you who might be as reluctant; yes, I know it's entirely possible that Polt's being framed by a taken opportunity to kill for god-knows-why courtesy of a wrong-time-&-placer. But what if?

And by the by, where the fuck is Bdubs' body? This is a hermetically sealed emergency habitat and that shit should be accounted for. So where the fuck is it? Where? Where is it? Don't make me look in the freezers!"
 

Verelios

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Oct 26, 2017
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...That makes no sense Blarg. Why wouldn't you wait until your theory is confirmed or denied tomorrow to kill Polter? As of now it's like you're telling us about a possible answer to an equation without doing the work.
 
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Fran

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And by the by, where the fuck is Bdubs' body? This is a hermetically sealed emergency habitat and that shit should be accounted for. So where the fuck is it? Where? Where is it? Don't make me look in the freezers!"

We have a really good cleaning staff. Very professional. You wouldn't know they are even there.
 

Sorian

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,964
I've said my piece, I only mildly lied at day end yesterday if you haven't noticed yet. Your goodies will show up day 3. I'd give Terra a hard look still and Kalor is still a strong lynch candidate in my eyes. Chugg and Vere give me pause on an instinct level. Don't go down the Blarg or melon path today, I think those are mislynches.

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