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Think the only director working today that can make a movie about space flight appealing to mass audiences is Christopher Nolan. Chazelle and Gosling made a very good movie but unfortunately not a commercially palatable one. It's an emotionally draining, tough watch.
Gravity grossed nearly three-quarters of a billion worldwide, which is actually more than what Interstellar pulled in.
 
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They could film Carnage shot by shot with how he's portrayed in the comics and not get close to an R. Spider-Man has never been an R rated comic.

Hell, The Punisher could be PG-13 too. We don't need to see a ton of blood and guts to get the point across. Venom bit peoples heads off, ate them whole, killed dozens of people in his movies.

Do you really think if he got in the MCU anything would be different?
Agreed.

People have this idea that MCU would somehow turn everything into gold when I doubt the people doing those movies even care about doing Venom or even Carnage.

Would rather have a fun Venom and Carnage movie than nothing.
 

Slayven

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They could film Carnage shot by shot with how he's portrayed in the comics and not get close to an R. Spider-Man has never been an R rated comic.

Hell, The Punisher could be PG-13 too. We don't need to see a ton of blood and guts to get the point across. Venom bit peoples heads off, ate them whole, killed dozens of people in his movies.

Do you really think if he got in the MCU anything would be different?
That is what i been saying.
 
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kswiston

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Oct 24, 2017
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Venom's final domestic total will depend on how much of a hit it takes next weekend at the hands of Halloween, but $200M is looking like it's happening.
 

WoahW

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Oct 27, 2017
1,974
They set Venom up to be the good guy in the universe so they could roll that way too. No way do I see Holland in the Sony stuff, Disney has too much cash to say otherwise plus look at the numbers Sony can have a Venom as a good guy universe and make $600-$700 mil a movie and keep Spider-Man in the MCU and take in $900 mil+. Win-win for Sony
 

Cipher Peon

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Glad to see Venom doing well! Hopefully this is one step closer to getting Spider-Man recasted :p

Want to see First Man, because it's Damien Chazelle. But man, a space exploration movie? I'm sure it'll be great, but he had to direct one of the least interesting premises imaginable. That's why I'm not frothing at the mouth to see it.

You take that back. Ants playing drums was art.
I HATED that. Ugh
 

R0b1n

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Jun 29, 2018
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Glad to see Venom doing well! Hopefully this is one step closer to getting Spider-Man recasted :p

Want to see First Man, because it's Damien Chazelle. But man, a space exploration movie? I'm sure it'll be great, but he had to direct one of the least interesting premises imaginable. That's why I'm not frothing at the mouth to see it.


I HATED that. Ugh
Not again. Who do you have in mind anyways?
 

Certinfy

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Oct 29, 2017
3,476
I hope Johnny English Strikes Back flops once it opens it more countries, one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

It's not funny, the story is shit, the movie feels extremely low budget and rushed amongst a hundred other things. Utterly pathetic excuse of a film.
 

shintoki

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Oct 25, 2017
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As I said last week, Vemon wasn't going to get a hard drop. I enjoyed it enough, but my audience was eating that shit up. Even here, it was a lot of, "It's not good, but its not nearly as bad as critics are saying".

Star is Born is this years Greatest Showman, etc. It's the musical that people will keep going too. So I expect it to have good legs now, then a nice boost this holiday season when they re-release.

They are right on the money though with Bad Times. Film was another Lucky Number Slevin, Smoking Aces, etc. Basically the films that came trying to imitate Pulp Fiction in the 90s/00s
 

Kewlmyc

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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I kinda want Venom to succeed at this point just to spite everyone who told me it was Suicide Squad and Catwoman levels of bad. Got my hopes up for just a 5/10.
 

shintoki

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm wondering if down playing the moment with the flag, trump speaking on it/Fox news talking about it, kept people out of seats.

I'd say the film is just too long. The sequences are great, but there is definitely a lot of downtime where it lingers and the cast is fairly underdeveloped. It also had a sort of odd time flow, where you really can't pin point how much time has passed outside of the title cards for it.

Compared to Gravity or Martin. Gravity is a very tight film. I think it was less than 100 minutes. While The Martin had a lot going on in it between Damon, Earth, and the other crew. Alongside being a crowd pleaser.
 

NealMcCauley

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Oct 27, 2017
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I guess I wasn't the only person who couldn't get excited about First Man. I liked how the DT review said it's "Ryan Gosling won't eat cereal" expanded to two hours.
 

Punished Goku

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel dirty watching this.
 
I'd say the film is just too long. The sequences are great, but there is definitely a lot of downtime where it lingers and the cast is fairly underdeveloped. It also had a sort of odd time flow, where you really can't pin point how much time has passed outside of the title cards for it.

Compared to Gravity or Martin. Gravity is a very tight film. I think it was less than 100 minutes. While The Martin had a lot going on in it between Damon, Earth, and the other crew. Alongside being a crowd pleaser.
Minus the credits, Gravity was less than 90 minutes long. That movie was ruthlessly efficient.
 

Pariah

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Oct 29, 2017
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First Man is built around a tight, moderate budget. I'm sure the producers at Uni and Co. were very aware of how toxic sci-fi (don't get me started with hard sci-fi) is nowadays in theaters. Now here they got themselves a contemplative, "prestige" drama, set on a figure and events that for a large share of the audience must sound as an uninteresting or even alien proposal.

All things considered, it's just the start of a long season. They didn't accept to pay for this movie because of tickets, but If they're willing to support it until awards season, the studio could still see benefits coming from the international market.

PS: Maximum Carnage, 2020. 1 billion dollars only in China.
 

Jeffolation

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Oct 30, 2017
7,117
El Royale was good but WAY too long.
Yeah that and some pacing issues are the biggest marks against it. I quite enjoyed it otherwise though that box office result isn't surprising, this just isn't a film people are going to see in theatres. It'll be interesting if it gets a second life once it hits streaming, there's a lot of interesting stuff going on under its hood.

Edit: wanted to note that Cynthia Erivo was phenomenal in this, not just holding her own with a great cast but being a clear standout. I'm looking forward to seeing her in Widows and hopefully many films to come.
 
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TheGhost

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd say the film is just too long. The sequences are great, but there is definitely a lot of downtime where it lingers and the cast is fairly underdeveloped. It also had a sort of odd time flow, where you really can't pin point how much time has passed outside of the title cards for it.

Compared to Gravity or Martin. Gravity is a very tight film. I think it was less than 100 minutes. While The Martin had a lot going on in it between Damon, Earth, and the other crew. Alongside being a crowd pleaser.
Yeah I took one look at the run time and decided nah I could wait, will hit up Halloween next week instead.
 

Heshinsi

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Oct 25, 2017
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The minute Venom and Eddie partnered up, the movie got really good. A venom sequel where their both there as a partnership from the go, is going to clean up. So long as they don't try to ham Holland into this universe, I'll be happy seeing this series continue.
 

mreddie

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Oct 26, 2017
44,121
Fine I'll see Venom, Worst America wins, I already hear they show San Fran more than in both Antman movies and the main heroes are the best characters, FINE!

YOU WON!
 

Addleburg

The Fallen
Nov 16, 2017
5,068
Goosebumps 2 was a lot of fun and easily better than the first. Hope it makes enough to warrant a third one.

Seeing First Man in IMAX in a couple hours and then Bad Times this evening with a friend.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Is Venom is doing well because there's nothing else to see for that demographic? If you put up against any other genre film would it be doing as well? I suspect not. And I think this is why theyve not announced any sequel. It's succeeding in spite of itself.
 

MeBecomingI

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Oct 27, 2017
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Happy to see Venom doing well. I want my sequel. I also like laughing at everyone who wanted it to bomb.
 
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