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Trump calls out Canadian Universal Healthcare System at Kentucky rally
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The exact same thing except we don't pay to see the doctor. If your doctor here can't fit you in or is fully booked you can always just go to a walk in clinic anytime and get it done just as fast and if there is a wait it's usually no more than 30 min at a walk in. I've never had to wait 5 weeks for anything health care related here, if I get sick I can just go to the doctor and walk out not owing anything.
If there is any waiting it would usually be for a specialist and even then in most cases it's not even a 5 week wait, the longest I've had to wait for a specialist is max a week and a half to 2 weeks and if the specialist is for something serious most of the time they can get you in faster. Hell when my mother was sick with cancer our family doctor was like if you need anything call right away or if it's after hours I can come to your home, I'll take that over anything the US has.
And that's kind of the insane part. For most health plans in the US you're locked to a specific doctor. You have to be "in network", and if your doctor is full up and you need to go somewhere else to be seen immediately, prepare to eat an even bigger cost.
The "hurr durr sure it's free but you have to wait" narrative is bullshit. Here in Spain if I'm sick I can either get an appointment for the next day or just walk into the clinic, ask for an "emergency pass" because I'm feeling ill and get attended in like 10 minutes. For free.
The system has gone as far as to pay for a plane ticket and all expenses (stay, food, etc) because I had a rare kind of eye tumour that couldn't be treated in any hospital in the Canary Islands, and I had to go to one of the three specialised hospital units in the mainland. I got surgery and treatment in a hospital at more than 2.000 kilometers from me, without PAYING A SINGLE CENT. And to this day, more than 2 years since then, I'm still getting free trips to the same hospital every 6 months so that I can get checked.
Now try to imagine the equivalent situation in the USA: Someone in Guam gets this rare kind of eye tumour, he doesn't have much money and no hospital in Guam can even treat him, he would have to get treated in the mainland. What happens to this guy?
Btw even if you consider the free healthcare provided by the country as bad or slow it's not like you can't just pay for a private insurance if you really want to. You can. It's just not needed.
But sure socialised healthcare is a disaster
The system has gone as far as to pay for a plane ticket and all expenses (stay, food, etc) because I had a rare kind of eye tumour that couldn't be treated in any hospital in the Canary Islands, and I had to go to one of the three specialised hospital units in the mainland. I got surgery and treatment in a hospital at more than 2.000 kilometers from me, without PAYING A SINGLE CENT. And to this day, more than 2 years since then, I'm still getting free trips to the same hospital every 6 months so that I can get checked.
Now try to imagine the equivalent situation in the USA: Someone in Guam gets this rare kind of eye tumour, he doesn't have much money and no hospital in Guam can even treat him, he would have to get treated in the mainland. What happens to this guy?
Btw even if you consider the free healthcare provided by the country as bad or slow it's not like you can't just pay for a private insurance if you really want to. You can. It's just not needed.
But sure socialised healthcare is a disaster
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No worries Trumpet, the United States of America has the worst Democracy system and the worst concept of freedom.
My wife is American. We live in Canada. The American health care 'system' ensures we'll never live in America.
Listening to Trump gaslight y'all is pretty amazing. Apparently "socialism" is a world where your kids can get preventative medicine.
Listening to Trump gaslight y'all is pretty amazing. Apparently "socialism" is a world where your kids can get preventative medicine.
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They are hidden in snow, or something. Or shipped to the North Pole.
Speaking of which, Sick Kids Hospital(full name, The Hospital for Sick Children) in Toronto is the GOAT
The new one they are building will be next level tier.
Yeah my wife is American and she had to get over a lot of the negative propaganda from the US. Couldn't imagine another health care system now.
Although we waited 3 years for treating my son's autism.
'"(Socialist health care) doesn't work anywhere in the world," Trump said at the rally. "It's good if you don't mind waiting like five weeks to see a doctor."'
One of my grown-up kids phoned up the 111 NHS line the other day with a few mild but very irritating physical complaints. Seen same day at 1815 at a nearby surgery, nice long personalised consultation by a doctor who had complete access to their medical history. We walked back home with a prescription and a happy feeling of being valued members of society.
The person in question is in receipt of certain benefits, which means even the quite reasonable NHS prescription charge of about £9 per item is waived. The same person also gets free daily psychiatric medication without which they would be unable to function. I myself and my wife are both over 60 so our medication for hypertension, cholesterol and mild anxiety are free.
We never saw a medical bill in our entire lives. My wife was born a couple of years before the NHS was founded.
One of my grown-up kids phoned up the 111 NHS line the other day with a few mild but very irritating physical complaints. Seen same day at 1815 at a nearby surgery, nice long personalised consultation by a doctor who had complete access to their medical history. We walked back home with a prescription and a happy feeling of being valued members of society.
The person in question is in receipt of certain benefits, which means even the quite reasonable NHS prescription charge of about £9 per item is waived. The same person also gets free daily psychiatric medication without which they would be unable to function. I myself and my wife are both over 60 so our medication for hypertension, cholesterol and mild anxiety are free.
We never saw a medical bill in our entire lives. My wife was born a couple of years before the NHS was founded.
I could go to a walk-in clinic and see a doctor within 30 minutes and then go get the prescription in another 20. The vistit would cost nothing.
The whole wait things is a myth. Specialists and surgeons, yes it does take a longer to see, but it is all very reasonable. I had hip surgery this year and my total bill was $0. I love my country.
A. I still find it incredible that the guy has time to do rallies, on top of golfing. Lazyass bum.
B. When the country you're in charge of is behind most developed countries on metrics such as infant mortality or life expectancy, and you're trending downward, it might be best to shut the fuck up and clean your shit first.
B. When the country you're in charge of is behind most developed countries on metrics such as infant mortality or life expectancy, and you're trending downward, it might be best to shut the fuck up and clean your shit first.
This is just Trump shit-talking Republican points.
B. See above. It's just shit-talking Republican points.
A. He does basically nothing except watch TV most of the day on normal days or getting prepped for rallies like this.
B. See above. It's just shit-talking Republican points.
Probably the thing I hate the most about this country is so many people are convinced health care is a privilege and not a right.
There are plenty of Americans who believe this. The "you have to wait X weeks to see a doctor, you'd die waiting on line" talking point is pretty common among Republicans.
How could patients afford to pay lobbyists AND their healthcare?
Yeah, my dad's parents immigrated to the US while my mom's parents came here to Canada which made my dad come here to marry my mom. The difference in quality of life of my two sets of grandparents and what it cost in the end was crazy. Same with my dad compared to his siblings down in the US. There's a reason my dad's younger brother died in his late 40's back in 1999 while my dad turned 70 this year.
Nah, tons of people eat that talking point up. It's pretty frustrating.
But they don't! Which is bonkers! And is rally where my understanding of how to fix any of this falls apart. How you could be 10k in med debt, unable to fix a broken leg, behind on your medications and go "Well, at least it ain't Canada!" Is baffling to me
I don't even worry about making an appointment with my doctor. There's a walk-in clinic a short walk from me, covered by universal healthcare, that's more than adequate for any non-emergency.
One thing that I find stunningly absurd about US healthcare is that your insurance companies dictate which doctors you can see, and which hospitals you can go to.
Scientists need to find a way to turn stupidity into energy.
America has enough to power the whole world at this point.
Most of the developed world already figured out how to provide healthcare and education to their people. Our leaders lie to the people and only work to enrich a select few instead of actually solving the problem. And a lot of Americans support them.
America has enough to power the whole world at this point.
Most of the developed world already figured out how to provide healthcare and education to their people. Our leaders lie to the people and only work to enrich a select few instead of actually solving the problem. And a lot of Americans support them.
You left out doctors.
Historically the biggest reason for our shit system is the lobbying efforts of doctors.
Private healthcare is highly restricted and regulated in Canada, specifically to prevent a two-tier system from emerging. Only certain elective or specialized procedures are allowed to have private practices.
There are private interests out there who would absolutely love a two-tier system to emerge. Leave lower-tier public healthcare to the poor, and make mad profits off providing better healthcare to the rich.
Socialist medicine doesn't work, says the millionaire asshole who's leeched off of the capitalist system for decades.
That's what they try to do in the UK, but secretly public healthcare is better because there is less pressure on not using expensive drugs or treatments to drive down the cost to the patient. NHS is by far the greatest thing about Britain, it's sad that one of the unspoken Tory policies is to destroy it and go private.
I'll keep my broken socialist healthcare, thank you. It would be even better if the conservative parties here didn't have a fetish for privatization and defunding health/education in favor of tax breaks for the rich.
If you need to see a doctor for something minor, you might have to spend a couple of hours waiting in a walk-in clinic, but you can always see someone the same day. Specialists/surgeries can take weeks or months when non-life threatening though.
If you need to see a doctor for something minor, you might have to spend a couple of hours waiting in a walk-in clinic, but you can always see someone the same day. Specialists/surgeries can take weeks or months when non-life threatening though.
Calling it 'socialist' will do the trick for most of his followers
Sorry to hear this man, that is stressful and infuriating.
Fuck the American system
I wish people would stop quoting the Frasier institute for anything related to policy discussions.
I can walk into a clinic and be seen that day or the day after for most issues in Canada. And if you have a serious injury, you're pushed to the front of the line in hospitals. Getting specialists, like dermatologists, is the annoying "wait 3 months" situation
that does occur in Canada, but I've heard of people getting appointments the same week as well. It's never going to be perfect when you've got population sizes like we have in Canada or in the States.
that does occur in Canada, but I've heard of people getting appointments the same week as well. It's never going to be perfect when you've got population sizes like we have in Canada or in the States.
It's mind-boggling how deep the heads of American voters and how linen in money are the pockets of politicians to keep doubling down on the most inefficient healthcare system on the planet over and over and over. It's hilarious that it spends almost double the percentage of total GDP that other developed countries do on healthcare, with worse outcomes and a massive amount of people uninsured and in debt.
My country, Spain, spends 9% of its GDP in all forms of healthcare, public and private. The US spends almost that on public healthcare alone. That's how mind-bogglingly inefficient it is.
My country, Spain, spends 9% of its GDP in all forms of healthcare, public and private. The US spends almost that on public healthcare alone. That's how mind-bogglingly inefficient it is.
Same day is possible if you go early in the morning and line up. Never get charged for the visit but you do have to pay for the drugs. Some clinics have doctors that act as the equivalent of "family doctors" and can take appointments the same day or day after. It's not some dystopian nightmare like Trump is making it out to be.
Love how any system that isn't the hardboiled capatilist American Health Care System is labelled "socialism" or "communism" disregarding the fact that something like the Nordic Model in Scandinavian countries is functioning on a set of policies driven by promoting economic security and competitive opportunity. It's free market Capitalism.
You can have free health care without it being at the expense of economic values. Sure, there are waiting times for hospital visits, checkups, and surgery, but it's nothing like the nonesense he's spewing.
You can have free health care without it being at the expense of economic values. Sure, there are waiting times for hospital visits, checkups, and surgery, but it's nothing like the nonesense he's spewing.
I can walk into any clinic in the city I work wait about an hour see a completely new doctor and be tested and out with a prescription. Or stay home from work and book in with my own doctor. Or go to any ER and wait 3 hours because you're basically taking space there. But the point is you can walk in to hundreds of points .
I've got National Healthcare in Taiwan, and have never had to wait more than a couple days for a hospital appointment (bigger procedures like an MRI, etc.). If I just need to see a doctor I can do it the same day. And my dental and psychiatric visits are covered fully, too, again, waiting only a couple of days at most. This wait-time myth is pure bullshit.
hmm I've never had to wait more than a couple hours to see a doctor in Canada.
In the UK though the system was awful to my dad. Horrible system. He had a heart attack and they made him wait in the lobby for an hour, then a bed for 3 hours, then he finally got pain medication, then after another 2 hours they said they figured he had acid reflux, but they'd send him to another hospital for tests to be sure. Sure enough 3 hours later they found out he had a heart attack.
Its a horror story for sure but nothing like this has ever happened in Canada.
In the UK though the system was awful to my dad. Horrible system. He had a heart attack and they made him wait in the lobby for an hour, then a bed for 3 hours, then he finally got pain medication, then after another 2 hours they said they figured he had acid reflux, but they'd send him to another hospital for tests to be sure. Sure enough 3 hours later they found out he had a heart attack.
Its a horror story for sure but nothing like this has ever happened in Canada.
Yes, socialist healthcare doesn't work. It's not like my mum went to the hospital for one thing, complained about her foot, got it x-rayed, found out it was broken and got it put in a cast. All in one visit.
In America this would've cost her thousands, no?
You can't even complain about the wait times because they would be much shorter if the bloody Tories actually funded the NHS properly and weren't trying to ruin it so they could sell it off. Then we'd have way more doctors and nurses and better tech to boot.
In America this would've cost her thousands, no?
You can't even complain about the wait times because they would be much shorter if the bloody Tories actually funded the NHS properly and weren't trying to ruin it so they could sell it off. Then we'd have way more doctors and nurses and better tech to boot.
I have health insurance and earlier this year I had to schedule a physical with my doctor at Kaiser. I had to wait two months before I got my physical. No over exaggerating. Two fuckin months.
Canadians go to America for health care because of socialised medicine.
Americans go to Mexico for health care because of a lack of socialised medicine.
No matter what, you're gonna have people that do cross-border stuff even if it doesn't save them time or money,or provide them with the servie thet need, because some people want the perception of "a deal."
Americans go to Mexico for health care because of a lack of socialised medicine.
No matter what, you're gonna have people that do cross-border stuff even if it doesn't save them time or money,or provide them with the servie thet need, because some people want the perception of "a deal."
