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fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
Except he's spread the same kind of toxic rumours in the past and is fine doing it to others so is very much part of that culture and is fine with locking out female streamers to opportunities as well as being part of the toxic culture that locks them out.

Yes, I addressed this earlier, but has he owned up to that?

Either way, if he knows what can and will happen, since he has also done this himself, isn't he right to not just stream with women since he don't want to jeopardize his relationship and put his gf in a bad spot?

EDIT: And yes, he can still be a sexist PoS but now I am more talking about this stance with streaming with women.
 

antitrop

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,600
Giving someone that has never played a game before inverted camera controls is some cruel shit.
 

rras1994

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,743
Yes, I addressed this earlier, but has he owned up to that?

Either way, if he knows what can and will happen, since he has also done this himself, isn't he right to not just stream with women since he don't want to jeopardize his relationship and put his gf in a bad spot?
No it's not alright - try to apply that to any other group and see if it is okay. It's denying opportunity to woman on the basis of their gender - it is by definition sexist. If he can't handle the toxic culture he helped create by not automatically locking out half of the population to work with him, then he shouldn't work in that industry. Excluding women is not a legitimate choice.
 

blue_phazon

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,316
Giving someone that has never played a game before inverted camera controls is some cruel shit.
In the full video, he kept saying "oh, I think you might be an inverted player" as she was looking too far up or down. So I think she was playing on default, but actually would need it inverted
 

Vipu

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,276
Yes, I addressed this earlier, but has he owned up to that?

Either way, if he knows what can and will happen, since he has also done this himself, isn't he right to not just stream with women since he don't want to jeopardize his relationship and put his gf in a bad spot?

EDIT: And yes, he can still be a sexist PoS but now I am more talking about this stance with streaming with women.

Anyone who watched him before he got HUGE knows he isnt, at least in the stream.
When he is so popular what he is now its very understandable that he have to be really careful with everything, there is so many things that can happen (swatting, rumours, bad rep, etc)
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
No it's not alright - try to apply that to any other group and see if it is okay. It's denying opportunity to woman on the basis of their gender - it is by definition sexist. If he can't handle the toxic culture he helped create by not automatically locking out half of the population to work with him, then he shouldn't work in that industry. Excluding women is not a legitimate choice.

Well, you don't have 100 000 anonymous people watching you work do you? So you can't compare.

What about his gf? Should he just ignore her as well and let her be collateral?
 

Vipu

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,276
No it's not alright - try to apply that to any other group and see if it is okay. It's denying opportunity to woman on the basis of their gender - it is by definition sexist. If he can't handle the toxic culture he helped create by not automatically locking out half of the population to work with him, then he shouldn't work in that industry. Excluding women is not a legitimate choice.

Its a damn video game, why cant he choose who he plays with?
He have 100% right to do whatever he wants.

You can call him sexist but that doesnt make him sexist.
 

Datajoy

use of an alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,081
Angola / Zaire border region.
It have nothing to do with some child sexual abuse, its commonly used when someone is super mad at something and you say that to them.
But if thats the case, just like Pepe is alt-right tasteless meme then im sorry.
(South park touch meme might originally come from what you say but I dont watch said series really and its not used in that way anywhere that I know of...)
The South Park meme is based on a practice used by police to question children who have been sexually abused. The police show an anatomically correct doll to the child victim and ask them to point to the place on the doll where they were touched or violated. Because most children lack the vocabulary to accurately describe how or where they were abused. So yes, pretty tasteless.
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
Anyone who watched him before he got HUGE knows he isnt, at least in the stream.
When he is so popular what he is now its very understandable that he have to be really careful with everything, there is so many things that can happen (swatting, rumours, bad rep, etc)

Knows he isn't what? I haven't seen him before to know how he behaved before his breakthrough.

EDIT: And he straightening up due to becoming popular might just be he growing up? Realizing his old idiotic behavior is not OK.

I mean, if I look at myself from my first job, a dime a dussin job, I wasn't as professional as I am today.
 

rras1994

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,743
Well, you don't have 100 000 anonymous people watching you work do you? So you can't compare.

What about his gf? Should he just ignore her as well and let her be collateral?
If he can't handle the toxic culture, he should take the affects and walk away - not get his cake and eat it too. Excluding woman based on their gender is not okay. If he can't handle the effects of working with woman then he shouldn't work in that industry period. He can think about his gf that way if he really cared about the effects on her.
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
If he can't handle the toxic culture, he should take the affects and walk away - not get his cake and eat it too. Excluding woman based on their gender is not okay. If he can't handle the effects of working with woman then he shouldn't work in that industry period. He can think about his gf that way if he really cared about the effects on her.

Well, I don't agree the slightest. His company, his rules. He should work towards a better culture and use his influence, but ending his one in a million career? C'mon.
 

rras1994

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,743
Its a damn video game, why cant he choose who he plays with?
He have 100% right to do whatever he wants.

You can call him sexist but that doesnt make him sexist.
He's not just chosing who he plays with, he's excluding people based on their gender right away without any other reasons - that's sexist. Literally excluding a person based on their gender is sexist, it's the most simple definition there is, you have to go through some weird mental gymnastics to make it anything else then what it is.
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
He's not just chosing who he plays with, he's excluding people based on their gender right away without any other reasons - that's sexist. Literally excluding a person based on their gender is sexist, it's the most simple definition there is, you have to go through some weird mental gymnastics to make it anything else then what it is.

If you hang out with other women, and your wife has problems with that you hanging out with them and you then stop hanging out with them, is that sexist as well?

We have laws with companies to make sure they don't deliberately exclude a gender. It's not just "his rules"

You don't have laws that state who and whom you should work together with, employment yes, but not 'vendors', 'affiliates' or 'suppliers' which this is more or less.
 

rras1994

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,743
If you hang out with other women, and your wife has problems with that you hanging out with them and you then stop hanging out with them, is that sexist as well?



You don't have laws that state who and whom you should work together with, employment yes, but not 'vendors' or 'suppliers'.
Yes
 

Vipu

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,276
He's not just chosing who he plays with, he's excluding people based on their gender right away without any other reasons - that's sexist. Literally excluding a person based on their gender is sexist, it's the most simple definition there is, you have to go through some weird mental gymnastics to make it anything else then what it is.

Ok bro.
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
... and to make clear, I think his stance is bad and not a correct one, but I do understand his point of view.

If he was single and only himself to cover, then it would be a different matter.
 

antitrop

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,600
In the full video, he kept saying "oh, I think you might be an inverted player" as she was looking too far up or down. So I think she was playing on default, but actually would need it inverted
Oh okay. Even still, the segment would have went a little better if she familiarized herself with the absolute basics. Even Conan's Cluesless Gamer segment isn't that clueless.
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
yes but not based on gender which is what Ninja admits he does. It's really that simple

Yes, but you said it was against the law in this case, which it isn't.

Anyhow, leave this with this again:

... and to make clear, I think his stance is bad and not a correct one, but I do understand his point of view.

If he was single and only himself to cover, then it would be a different matter.
 

rras1994

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,743
Yes, but you said it was against the law in this case, which it isn't.

Anyhow, leave this with this again:
I said it was against the law for companies to do it - there's a grey area with streamers cus the law hasn't caught up with social media yet.
And your second thing is a load of rubbish - relationship status does not give you the right to discriminate.
 

Dama

Banned
Nov 22, 2017
285
Ninja represents gamers in a great way. We should be thankful to have someone like him in the mainstream media.
 

janusff

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,135
Austin, TX
I was expecting something like clueless gamer but this was just brutal to watch. Not a lot of fun watching someone play who can't dual stick at all.
 

fanboi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,702
Sweden
I said it was against the law for companies to do it - there's a grey area with streamers cus the law hasn't caught up with social media yet.
And your second thing is a load of rubbish - relationship status does not give you the right to discriminate.

Ok, would you or would you not appease your SO if they asked you to not do X activity with a person of whatever gender they felt insecure / jealous about?
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,287
Good to know playing with women isn't an issue when it's increasing his exposure on a mass scale
 

CrazyAndy

Self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,071
Of course this thread turns into another "Ninja is sexist" thread. Like clockwork, ResetEra.
 

Cloud-Hidden

Member
Oct 30, 2017
4,990
The salt in this thread is unreal. There are some jealous, bitter people our community.

I love Ellen. This was a fun segment, and good on Ninja for handling his rocket to stardom and insane wealth with at least some composure and class.
 

eebster

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
1,596
If he can't handle the toxic culture, he should take the affects and walk away - not get his cake and eat it too. Excluding woman based on their gender is not okay. If he can't handle the effects of working with woman then he shouldn't work in that industry period. He can think about his gf that way if he really cared about the effects on her.

Or, better yet, he can do whatever the fuck he wants
 

tommy7154

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,370
Because he's an idiot who thinks a man and a woman can't possibly play games together without flirting and starting rumors of being in a relationship with one another. You already know this, why are you asking?

I don't care how trash twitch chat and clickbait authors are, refusing to work with women is sexist bullshit.
Well, that's one viewpoint on the matter.
 

Joeyro

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,757
I would not - that's their problem, not mine
I get what your saying and we never had his wife comment about this either, but saying "that's their problem, not mine" is the worst thing you can say about your SO in a relationship.

I do think that "sheltering" his wife in this kind of way is silly and if there are insecurity issues (again there is no comment about this from his wife at all) they should iron it out themselves.
 

rras1994

Member
Nov 4, 2017
5,743
I get what your saying and we never had his wife comment about this, but saying "that's their problem, not mine" is the worst thing you can say about your SO in a relationship.
I'm not going exclude an entire gender based on insecurity - I would probably not be as blunt in what I would say to them but it would be their problem that they would have to work on. I work as an engineer - if I couldn't hang out/work with men I'd have no livelihood and miss out on alot of interesting people. That's not reasonable for an SO to ask.