PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

My interpretation from all the info we have, is that Sony planned for 2019 years ago. But then delays in certain elements mean they pushed it to 2020. However, parts that WERE ready for 2019, still are ready for 2019.

The polishing of PS4 BC feature makes sense. if Sony really want it to be a big deal at launch, they need it to be seamless. Remember, even XB1 BC of 360 games isn't actually seamless, it was still done in a per game basis. A big part of PS4 BC would be to get the PSN network updated, which we know they are working on. If it was just about getting PS4 discs to work on PS5 it would certainly be an easy thing to implement. But too many parts of modern games have download and online elements today, and PSN itself is archaic.

Deleted member 44882 · Oct 13, 2018

With all the software talk, will there be some hardware upgrades too with a release in 2020? Usually, the later the better of course, but since 2019 was targeted and it's unknown how early or late the decision to delay was made, I'm not sure if it can be assumed as easily. Is it still logical?

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

Detox said:
With all the software talk, will there be some hardware upgrades too with a release in 2020? Usually, the later the better of course, but since 2019 was targeted and it's unknown how early or late the decision to delay was made, I'm not sure if it can be assumed as easily. Is it still logical?

Hardware HAS to be locked down by now. There just isn't enough time to add anything without messing up the pipeline, no matter if it was 2019 or 2020. Further, any talk about cutting edge parts were fantasies to begin with. We are talking about gaming consoles, not PCs. ERA regularly hope for $700 gaming consoles here and in other threads, but it is just fevered dreams. Much like the never ending new threads demanding a Switch Pro.

Aokiji · Oct 13, 2018

Saint-14 said:
2019 team is finally dead?

i'll throw a party if so

Kleegamefan · Oct 13, 2018

VallenValiant said:
My interpretation from all the info we have, is that Sony planned for 2019 years ago. But then delays in certain elements mean they pushed it to 2020. However, parts that WERE ready for 2019, still are ready for 2019.

The polishing of PS4 BC feature makes sense. if Sony really want it to be a big deal at launch, they need it to be seamless. Remember, even XB1 BC of 360 games isn't actually seamless, it was still done in a per game basis. A big part of PS4 BC would be to get the PSN network updated, which we know they are working on. If it was just about getting PS4 discs to work on PS5 it would certainly be an easy thing to implement. But too many parts of modern games have download and online elements today, and PSN itself is archaic.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

The way it was explained to me, this is exactly what happened.

Deep Friar · Oct 13, 2018

Then they need to quit talking about next generation and reveal more games soon.

The COD thing still is weird, though. It is their turn next year.

N.Domixis · Oct 13, 2018

-PyramidSong said:
Horizon Zero Dawn 2 for PS5 at E3 2019

"Oh look a movie about horizon...wait is that actually the game ? oh my god looks so real ! "

believe !!!

Think bigger.

Imagine E3 2019 starts with a video of Shu announcing his retirement. Recollecting all his favorite memories over the last 20-30 years working at PlayStation. Showing clips of some of the most iconic moments in PlayStation history, the 299 PS1 announcement, Crash Bandicoot, FFVII, PS2 launch hype, San Andreas, Uncharted 2/LBP reviews, PS4 shu and Kaz gifs, the GOW PS4 reviews, the infamous Shu and Boyes video etc. And then proceeds with an emotional Oscar nominated speech on how gaming will always be a part of his life and how he looks foward to the future of gaming. Wishing PlayStation and first party studios the best on their future endeavors and giving thanks to the millions of loyal gamers that have been there for them during the best and worst of times. Before the video ends, Shu says he has one last surprise. Camera slowly pans and what we thought was Shu in an office is actually in game footage with Shu as the main protagonist. Rob Zombie Dragula begins playing, Shu takes out a locket with a picture of Michael, clasps it hard. Looks over, picks up a shotgun and stumbles outside his office and runs towards his armored truck. We see a desolate town shrouded in a very dark dust storm. Shu then looks into the red haze and sees hundreds of cronenberg creatures running at him. He then kisses his locket, puts it away and says thanks for the memories. Just as he turns and begins to drive towards the creatures the camera begins to slowly zoom up into space revealing that we aren't on Earth but a far future where Titan has been Terraformed. Screen fades into deep space revealing a Monolith with the Naughty Dog logo.

NDs new sci-fi game announced.
Savage Starlight

Crowd goes wild.

Deleted member 40133 · Oct 13, 2018

N.Domixis said:
Think bigger.

Imagine E3 2019 starts with a video of Shu announcing his retirement. Recollecting all his favorite memories over the last 20-30 years working at PlayStation. Showing clips of some of the most iconic moments in PlayStation history, the 299 PS1 announcement, Crash Bandicoot, FFVII, PS2 launch hype, San Andreas, Uncharted 2/LBP reviews, PS4 shu and Kaz gifs, the GOW PS4 reviews, the infamous Shu and Boyes video etc. And then proceeds with an emotional Oscar nominated speech on how gaming will always be a part of his life and how he looks foward to the future of gaming. Wishing PlayStation and first party studios the best on their future endeavors and giving thanks to the millions of loyal gamers that have been there for them during the best and worst of times. Before the video ends, Shu says he has one last surprise. Camera slowly pans and what we thought was Shu in an office is actually in game footage with Shu as the main protagonist. Rob Zombie Dragula begins playing, Shu takes out a locket with a picture of Michael, clasps it hard. Looks over, picks up a shotgun and stumbles outside his office and runs towards his armored truck. We see a desolate town shrouded in a very dark dust storm. Shu then looks into the red haze and sees hundreds of cronenberg creatures running at him. He then kisses his locket, puts it away and says thanks for the memories. Just as he turns and begins to drive towards the creatures the camera begins to slowly zoom up into space revealing that we aren't on Earth but a far future where Titan has been Terraformed. Screen fades into deep space revealing a Monolith with the Naughty Dog logo.

NDs new sci-fi game announced.
Savage Starlight

Crowd goes wild.

Kojima? Picking dragula for that hypothetical trailer works too fucking well and is out of no where at the same time

Aokiji · Oct 13, 2018

Sense said:
I genuinely wonder why people think Sony would reveal the console more than a year in advance. Ps4 reveal was 9 months before release.

they won't for the simple fact it will cannibalize PS4 sales long before it needs to, which makes no business sense whatsoever.

aside:
i wonder if FFVII R is big enough to hold down H1 2020 for PS4 (a la TLOU H1 2013) should 3-4 blockbuster games release next year. the way I see it there are two scenarios:

Scenario 1:
2019
- Days Gone
- TLOU2
- e3: 2019 release date trailers for Death Stranding or (doubt both will make it due to release scheduling) Ghosts of Tsushima
- Death Stranding/Ghosts of Tsushima
- PSX: Whichever game didn't come out release trailer for feb/march 2020, FFVII R release trailer for April/May 2020

2020
- Death Stranding/Ghosts of Tsushima
- PlayStation Meeting: PS5 announcement
- FFVII R
- e3: PS5 unveiling
- PS5 Nov 2020

Scenario 2:
2019
- Days Gone
- TLOU2
- e3: 2020 release date trailers for Death Stranding and Ghosts of Tsushima
- PSX: FFVII R release trailer for summer 2020

2020
- Ghosts of Tsushima
- PlayStation Meeting: PS5 announcement
- Ghosts of Tsushima
- e3: PS5 unveiling, final FFVII R trailer
- FFVII R
- PS5 Nov 2020

Punished Goku · Oct 13, 2018

N.Domixis said:
Think bigger.

Imagine E3 2019 starts with a video of Shu announcing his retirement. Recollecting all his favorite memories over the last 20-30 years working at PlayStation. Showing clips of some of the most iconic moments in PlayStation history, the 299 PS1 announcement, Crash Bandicoot, FFVII, PS2 launch hype, San Andreas, Uncharted 2/LBP reviews, PS4 shu and Kaz gifs, the GOW PS4 reviews, the infamous Shu and Boyes video etc. And then proceeds with an emotional Oscar nominated speech on how gaming will always be a part of his life and how he looks foward to the future of gaming. Wishing PlayStation and first party studios the best on their future endeavors and giving thanks to the millions of loyal gamers that have been there for them during the best and worst of times. Before the video ends, Shu says he has one last surprise. Camera slowly pans and what we thought was Shu in an office is actually in game footage with Shu as the main protagonist. Rob Zombie Dragula begins playing, Shu takes out a locket with a picture of Michael, clasps it hard. Looks over, picks up a shotgun and stumbles outside his office and runs towards his armored truck. We see a desolate town shrouded in a very dark dust storm. Shu then looks into the red haze and sees hundreds of cronenberg creatures running at him. He then kisses his locket, puts it away and says thanks for the memories. Just as he turns and begins to drive towards the creatures the camera begins to slowly zoom up into space revealing that we aren't on Earth but a far future where Titan has been Terraformed. Screen fades into deep space revealing a Monolith with the Naughty Dog logo.

NDs new sci-fi game announced.
Savage Starlight

Crowd goes wild.

We found Kojima's alt.

OG_Thrills · Oct 13, 2018

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but last gen, this leaked signaled the arrival of the XB1/PS4 era. Activision has not let us down this time either!

https://segmentnext.com/2018/10/09/call-of-duty-2019-cross-gen/

Deep Friar · Oct 13, 2018

OG_Thrills said:
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but last gen, this leaked signaled the arrival of the XB1/PS4 era. Activision has not let us down this time either!

https://segmentnext.com/2018/10/09/call-of-duty-2019-cross-gen/

Yes it has. I actually do have a question for someone to answer though. When do the COD developers usually post job listings? Is it usually roughly a year before release? That might tell us everything we need to know.

Deleted member 44882 · Oct 13, 2018

VallenValiant said:
Hardware HAS to be locked down by now. There just isn't enough time to add anything without messing up the pipeline, no matter if it was 2019 or 2020. Further, any talk about cutting edge parts were fantasies to begin with. We are talking about gaming consoles, not PCs. ERA regularly hope for $700 gaming consoles here and in other threads, but it is just fevered dreams. Much like the never ending new threads demanding a Switch Pro.

Locked down by now is pretty certain I guess, but it seems Sony didn't decide this late to delay the PS5. When the decision most likely was made, would there have been enough time to redesign some parts of the hardware?

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

Detox said:
Locked down by now is pretty certain I guess, but it seems Sony didn't decide this late to delay the PS5. When the decision most likely was made, would there have been enough time to redesign some parts of the hardware?

Redesigning hardware brings what benefits exactly? You are not thinking like Sony, you are thinking like ERA posters, dreaming about cutting edge specs. You are proposing that Sony risk causing even more unforeseen problems, just so you can have a tiny increase in hardware capability. Sony is a company who is trying to have a good PS5 launch, that is the priority above all else.

Kleegamefan · Oct 13, 2018

rfriar said:
Then they need to quit talking about next generation and reveal more games soon.

The COD thing still is weird, though. It is their turn next year.

Unless, of course, they are starting early work for the 2022 release.

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

rfriar said:
Then they need to quit talking about next generation and reveal more games soon.

The COD thing still is weird, though. It is their turn next year.

COD was always a yearly thing. So regardless of when new consoles come out, there is going to be a new COD next year, and another one the year after that. The release of COD is not restricted by console hardware and as such, them announcing it affects nothing. It's like announcing that there is going to be a new FIFA game.

Deep Friar · Oct 13, 2018

Kleegamefan said:
Unless, of course, they are starting early work for the 2022 release.

Maybe, maybe not, although I really would think they'd wait til next year to start, seeing as CoD teams always have three year cycles.

Deep Friar · Oct 13, 2018

VallenValiant said:
COD was always a yearly thing. So regardless of when new consoles come out, there is going to be a new COD next year, and another one the year after that. The release of COD is not restricted by console hardware and as such, them announcing it affects nothing. It's like announcing that there is going to be a new FIFA game.

Obviously. I was speaking about what the phrasing was in the job listing, though. It specifically mentions a next generation title.

gundamkyoukai · Oct 13, 2018

I think people need to get off the fact that Sony announcing PS5 not really going to cannibalize PS4 sales .
By end of 2019 they would have sold over 100 million it time to get the hardcore people ready to move since they spend the most.
The people that willing to drop $400 to $500 on PS5 are not same people that want to but a PS4 even more so if it $199 at the time.

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

rfriar said:
Obviously. I was speaking about what the phrasing was in the job listing, though. It specifically mentions a next generation title.

Note that it isn't actually possible to make and release a COD game in just one year. It can take up to three years to make a COD game, Activision just have multiple teams who release their games in rotation. So to recruit people for next gen COD makes sense in 2018, as if they start working on it this year, the actual game wouldn't be ready until the next gen console is released regardless.

Edit: mistake in name of publisher.

DriftingSpirit · Oct 13, 2018

gundamkyoukai said:
I think people need to get off the fact that Sony announcing PS5 not really going to cannibalize PS4 sales .
By end of 2019 they would have sold over 100 million it time to get the hardcore people ready to move since they spend the most.
The people that willing to drop $400 to $500 on PS5 are not same people that want to but a PS4 even more so if it $199 at the time.

I agree.

PS5 can launch 2019 or 2020. The folk willing to drop $400 gonna be their regardless. This is assuming Sony doesn't shoot themselves in the foot or anything. :P

Deep Friar · Oct 13, 2018

PS4 is going to sell for years after PS5, albeit at a reduced rate. Sony has nothing to be concerned about with hardware sales, whether it be 4 or 5.

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

rfriar said:
PS4 is going to sell for years after PS5, albeit at a reduced rate. Sony has nothing to be concerned about with hardware sales, whether it be 4 or 5.

The recent suggestion that PSN is the sticking point is really interesting to me. Because obviously PSN was never really that good and had aged really badly. It would be all well and good if BC wasn't going to be a thing, as Sony could just start from scratch if they wanted to. But assuming BC is a cornerstone of PS5, then PSN being updated is a hard nut that needed cracking. To make sure they make the system able to support the massively increased data flow, while also keeping all the old games working, is not going to be a piece of cake.

Mathieran · Oct 13, 2018

Whew glad I check upon this thread every now and then. Lots of good stuff today.

Seems like Spring 2020 might be a thing unless they are dead set on holiday releases.

Better keep saving money so I can buy a new tv with my PS5. Glad BC is more or less confirmed now, hope Pro has good trade in value.

I wonder if PSVR will be compatible or what's gonna happen with all that.

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

Mathieran said:
I wonder if PSVR will be compatible or what's gonna happen with all that.

I seriously doubt that PSVR2 would be released any time soon, Sony wouldn't want to distract from the PS5 release itself.
And using that assumption, then Sony would really have to get out of their way to not keeping PSVR1 hardware working for PS5. I fully expect the PSVR2 to use a completely different tracking system as the Move is way out of date. But until it comes out, it would be a massive mistake to cut PSVR1 owners off.

PSVR1 compatibility really should be packaged with PS4 BC. If only because Sony knows they need to keep that install base healthy, and that to not do it just seems to be silly and self defeating.

Nightengale · Oct 13, 2018

Assuming it's early 2020, I don't see it impeding the reveal plan all that much.

A mid-to-early 2019 'PS Meeting' that announces the product, some software; with more reveals and full details at E3 - leading in to Q1 2020 or something.

That being said, I just don't see early calendar year as a good launch window for either the next Xbox or PS5. The audience for those boxes are relatively well established as the 'CoD/FIFA/Madden/Battlefield/AssCreed/etc' audience - and the timing for a lot of those hyper mainstream games are Q4. Not only does the biggest games all concentrate themselves in the Oct/Nov timing for a relatively fresh software option.

Even though BC is probably going to be a thing next-gen, it makes first impressions pretty different in the hands of your average consumer.

Mathieran · Oct 13, 2018

VallenValiant said:
I seriously doubt that PSVR2 would be released any time soon, Sony wouldn't want to distract from the PS5 release itself.
And using that assumption, then Sony would really have to get out of their way to not keeping PSVR1 hardware working for PS5. I fully expect the PSVR2 to use a completely different tracking system as the Move is way out of date. But until it comes out, it would be a massive mistake to cut PSVR1 owners off.

PSVR1 compatibility really should be packaged with PS4 BC. If only because Sony knows they need to keep that install base healthy, and that to not do it just seems to be silly and self defeating.

I hope it is compatible. I assumed PSVR2 would release 2-3 years in like the first one did. So my thoughts are pretty much in line with yours.

I suppose that means we would still have to use the breakout box unless they have the input jacks on the PS5, which is unlikely unless the next model has the same parts.

I also wonder if they can make psvr1 games compatible with psvr2 if they have different tracking systems and different controllers. Seems like it would require some really creative engineering or it would just be impossible.

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
Assuming it's early 2020, I don't see it impeding the reveal plan all that much.

A mid-to-early 2019 'PS Meeting' that announces the product, some software; with more reveals and full details at E3 - leading in to Q1 2020 or something.

That being said, I just don't see early calendar year as a good launch window for either the next Xbox or PS5. The audience for those boxes are relatively well established as the 'CoD/FIFA/Madden/Battlefield/AssCreed/etc' audience - and the timing for a lot of those hyper mainstream games are Q4. Not only does the biggest games all concentrate themselves in the Oct/Nov timing for a relatively fresh software option.

Even though BC is probably going to be a thing next-gen, it makes first impressions pretty different in the hands of your average consumer.

Both companies are going to announce the next gen machine, when they are in full production and is aware that it is impossible to keep a lid on things any more. However the actual release month can be extended quite far from announcement.

I don't see the problem with a Q1 2020 announcement and Nov 2020 release. Yes, there is a large gap, but you can fill that gap with demos and convention appearances. Giving people time to save up money isn't a bad thing. Also, making sure there is enough inventory also permits a bigger sales numbers when it does come out. Having the hardware actually available in Japan the same time as everywhere else would also help. PS4 being released in Japan so late was just silliness.

Mathieran said:
I also wonder if they can make psvr1 games compatible with psvr2 if they have different tracking systems and different controllers. Seems like it would require some really creative engineering or it would just be impossible.

Having different tracking wouldn't break compatibility in itself. And the Move controller doesn't have many buttons anyway. At worst you would just need a PS5 patch to get the game working. The VR gaming studios will likely do everything they can to access new customers for the next headset, as long as they are still in business.

Mathieran · Oct 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
Assuming it's early 2020, I don't see it impeding the reveal plan all that much.

A mid-to-early 2019 'PS Meeting' that announces the product, some software; with more reveals and full details at E3 - leading in to Q1 2020 or something.

That being said, I just don't see early calendar year as a good launch window for either the next Xbox or PS5. The audience for those boxes are relatively well established as the 'CoD/FIFA/Madden/Battlefield/AssCreed/etc' audience - and the timing for a lot of those hyper mainstream games are Q4. Not only does the biggest games all concentrate themselves in the Oct/Nov timing for a relatively fresh software option.

Even though BC is probably going to be a thing next-gen, it makes first impressions pretty different in the hands of your average consumer.

I think Q1-2 makes sense, but I am not a consumer analyst. But in my mind, the hardcore people are gonna be there buying all the stock early on, no matter what.

Then when the holidays roll around, the less hardcore people won't have to compete with the types who are on amazon refreshing the page trying to be the first to pre order. And 3rd parties are happy because they have a couple million units out in the wild to buy the Q4 releases. Everyone wins.

Nightengale · Oct 13, 2018

I don't think we'll see a PSVR2 anytime "soon" ( maybe 2021 or later? ) - as Sony will want to focus their software resources at launch - at least for the the first half of next gen on more traditional software experiences. I expect Sony to have 2 more 'waves' of PSVR software and then soften their support of PSVR as PS5 launches.

Furthermore, I think the soft results of VR ( across the board ) shows that for Sony's next iteration of VR, they need to already have a relatively robust solution out-the-gate. All VR players are working to find that sweet spot atm.

VallenValiant · Oct 13, 2018

Nightengale said:
Furthermore, I think the soft results of VR ( across the board ) shows that for Sony's next iteration of VR, they need to already have a relatively robust solution out-the-gate. All VR players are working to find that sweet spot atm.

The upgrade options are pretty clear. Being 1 gen behind in VR means Sony can use proven technology that had since lowered in price. Even just using Valve Lighthouses would be a massive improvement for tracking with minimal hardware cost. All that about wireless or eye tracking can be left for the future. Sony would want PSVR2 to be cheaper than PSVR1 when new. Really, price was what keeps PSVR relevant and the leader in VR gaming. And that would stay true for next gen I believe.

Mathieran said:
I think Q1-2 makes sense, but I am not a consumer analyst. But in my mind, the hardcore people are gonna be there buying all the stock early on, no matter what.

Then it is even more important to NOT release the hardware early. If the hardware will sell out no matter what, then it is best to compress the sales to Nov as to generate the best PR as well as making sure everyone gets a machine and the game they want.

You are speaking like a consumer who want your machine, but Sony is already getting your money either way so they have no incentive to release it early just for you. Marketing and buzz is just better if the first month of release explodes, which isn't going to happen under your scenario. Stocking up a larger volume of inventory and selling them all in one month, rather than over 3 months, just looks better in media reports in every way.

Nightengale · Oct 14, 2018

VallenValiant said:
The upgrade options are pretty clear. Being 1 gen behind in VR means Sony can use proven technology that had since lowered in price. Even just using Valve Lighthouses would be a massive improvement for tracking with minimal hardware cost. All that about wireless or eye tracking can be left for the future. Sony would want PSVR2 to be cheaper than PSVR1 when new. Really, price was what keeps PSVR relevant and the leader in VR gaming. And that would stay true for next gen I believe.

It's part of the reason why I think what the DualShock 5 will look like - will be a major indicator of Sony's commitment to long-term VR.

If PS5 launches with a 'split-and-recombinable-DS5-controller' (think a hybrid of Joycon + Oculus Touch) out-of-the-box from day one, I think that would immediately be a clear sign that they'll launch a PSVR2 eventually that doesn't need to bundle a controller because PS5's default controller will be the VR standard from day one.

VallenValiant · Oct 14, 2018

Nightengale said:
It's part of the reason why I think what the DualShock 5 will look like - will be a major indicator of Sony's commitment to long-term VR.

If PS5 launches with a 'split-and-recombinable-DS5-controller' (think a hybrid of Joycon + Oculus Touch) out-of-the-box from day one, I think that would immediately be a clear sign that they'll launch a PSVR2 eventually that doesn't need to bundle a controller because PS5's default controller will be the VR standard from day one.

Certainly plausible, though perhaps a little too obvious.

I understand where you are coming from of course. The purpose of the light emitter for PS4 controllers was basically a mystery until the PSVR1 was announced. It just could be a little too hard to hide in the new iteration.

New Fang · Oct 14, 2018

So it looks like the 2019 predictions are just going to casually morph into 2020 predictions via a "it was originally going to be 2019 but plans changed" angle.

Deleted member 2340 · Oct 14, 2018

Has there been any worth wild rumors or post concerning next gen in this thread or has this thread strictly been speculation for the last 9 and a half thousand posts?

VallenValiant · Oct 14, 2018

New Fang said:
So it looks like the 2019 predictions are just going to casually morph into 2020 predictions via a "it was originally going to be 2019 but plans changed" angle.

One of the sources claimed that for a while. it just took many team 2019 this long to finally surrender their predictions.

Gridlock said:
Has there been any worth wild rumors or post concerning next gen in this thread or has this thread strictly been speculation for the last 9 and a half thousand posts?

Some, but they are buried in the haystack as usual.

Rockstar · Oct 14, 2018

PS5 Nov 2020 @ $399.99 and it's gonna be crazy all over again

Nightengale · Oct 14, 2018

I still think it's 2019. #immovablelikeamountain

We like to occasionally joke ( both seriously and not) about 'arrogant Sony', which I think is an overblown thing - but if there's one thing that I would actually think it's possible in the aspect of 'arrogant Sony', it would be I would not be utterly surprised if Sony is purposely withholding back sharing of any PS5 details until the very last minute/or close to their reveal event, to minimise leaks, and end up giving developers only a relatively short lead time compared to previous gen to 'get their software' ready for PS5.

Especially if the rumours are true that the architecture and foundation of PS5 is relatively similar to PS4. Sony may think that it's worth it not having PS5 info leak, at the cost of developers getting less time with the dev kits.

P.S. pure speculation from a team 2019 crazy. <- me.

VallenValiant · Oct 14, 2018

Rockstar said:
PS5 Nov 2020 @ $399.99 and it's gonna be crazy all over again

Yep. That's what Sony is likely hoping for. And a Nov release is the way to go to increase the odds of that.

Gemüsepizza · Oct 14, 2018

VallenValiant said:
One of the sources claimed that for a while. it just took many team 2019 this long to finally surrender their predictions.

Who are you talking about? I don't see any major shift from the 2019 camp to the 2020 camp. And we still don't have definitive proof from any leaks or insiders that 2019 is absolutely not happening. The only thing that we do know, is that some devs don't seem to know. But that's not evidence for a 2020 launch.

Rockstar said:
PS5 Nov 2020 @ $399.99 and it's gonna be crazy all over again

You will get the exact same scenes happening if PS5 were to launch in Nov 2019 for $499. 100% sure. Launch will be completely insane.

Classicrock78 · Oct 14, 2018

Im glad i dont do launches anymore i just preorder at bestbuy and it comes to my doorstep.

Punished Goku · Oct 14, 2018

Nightengale said:
I still think it's 2019. #immovablelikeamountain

We like to occasionally joke ( both seriously and not) about 'arrogant Sony', which I think is an overblown thing - but if there's one thing that I would actually think it's possible in the aspect of 'arrogant Sony', it would be I would not be utterly surprised if Sony is purposely withholding back sharing of any PS5 details until the very last minute/or close to their reveal event, to minimise leaks, and end up giving developers only a relatively short lead time compared to previous gen to 'get their software' ready for PS5.

Especially if the rumours are true that the architecture and foundation of PS5 is relatively similar to PS4. Sony may think that it's worth it not having PS5 info leak, at the cost of developers getting less time with the dev kits.

P.S. pure speculation from a team 2019 crazy. <- me.

I disagree with team 2019, but do agree 'Arrogant Sony' shit is overblown.

loicperrin31 · Oct 14, 2018

Rockstar said:
PS5 Nov 2020 @ $399.99 and it's gonna be crazy all over again

I can't understand why do people still think it'll be a $400 console.

Punished Goku · Oct 14, 2018

loicperrin31 said:
I can't understand why do people still think it'll be a $400 console.

Why wouldn't be a $400 console?

loicperrin31 · Oct 14, 2018

Punished Goku said:
Why wouldn't be a $400 console?

Times are changing. People are willing to spend $1000 on phones every year now and don't care about price of the console if they can get better perfomance on their $3000 OLED TV instead.
Xbox One X did much better than Pro with $500 device and imagine what will happen if Sony goes with $400 H2 2019 and Microsoft with $500 H2 2020.
Playstation 5 will become 4.5 or Pro 2 should i say.

QuiteSomething · Oct 14, 2018

loicperrin31 said:
Times are changing. People are willing to spend $1000 on phones every year now and don't care about price of the console if they can get better perfomance on their $3000 OLED TV instead.
Xbox One X did much better than Pro with $500 device and imagine what will happen if Sony goes with $400 H2 2019 and Microsoft with $500 H2 2020.
Playstation 5 will become 4.5 or Pro 2 should i say.

Where is your source on X doing much better then Pro?

Diarrhea Day-Lewis · Oct 14, 2018

loicperrin31 said:
I can't understand why do people still think it'll be a $400 console.

Because they launched the pro at $399? And the PS4?

The ps3 fiasco is still fresh and it's not like Xbox has done great at $499, it needed the price drop without Kinect to $399 to start making moves. X only sells to 20% or less of Xbox buyers which is what, 20% of 8M annually maybe? So like 1-1.5M at best?

Also because they've forecasted losses for 2020-21 and it's more likely they sell a $400 device at a loss than a $500? $550 console at $500 would hamper flexibility for years later where as a $430-$450 console at $400 gives them the $350, $300 prices eventually instead of $400 being the first major price drop

Not to mention other industry trends like more expensive phones like IPhone X selling slower than normal iPhones due to price and tb 8/Xr being lower priced and bought more widely

Deleted member 40133 · Oct 14, 2018

Did the x actually sell better than pro?

Diarrhea Day-Lewis · Oct 14, 2018

loicperrin31 said:
Times are changing. People are willing to spend $1000 on phones every year now and don't care about price of the console if they can get better perfomance on their $3000 OLED TV instead.
Xbox One X did much better than Pro with $500 device and imagine what will happen if Sony goes with $400 H2 2019 and Microsoft with $500 H2 2020.
Playstation 5 will become 4.5 or Pro 2 should i say.

iPhone X sales aren't as high as iPhone 8 to my knowledge. It's has sold slower than previous new iPhones due to price. People aren't exactly going crazy for $1000 phones

And the $3000 TV market doesn't have as many consumers as you seem to think.

So a PS4.5 would be what, 2.8 Tflops and Ps4 Pro 2 would be 8.4?

Seems unlikely we get anything less than 10TF. I'd expect a 8 core CPU at 3GHz. Wouldn't call that a PS4 Pro 2 by any means, that's a very good leap not hamstrung by a weak CPU

Diarrhea Day-Lewis · Oct 14, 2018

console lover said:
Did the x actually sell better than pro?

Any proof? Don't both sell to like 20% of buyers?

Let's say 30% of Xbox buyers get X and 20% of ps4 buyers get Pro. 20% of 18M is 3.6M while 30% of 8M is 2.4M.

I think both are 20% or under. Really doubt X does better than Pro

PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018

When will the first 'next gen' console arrive?

H2 2019

H1 2020

H2 2020

H1 2021

H2 2021

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