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Your posts keep leaving me puzzled. Why the sales numbers? Your approach to listing sales numbers in previous posts also puzzles me. Not sure what you objective is, but it feels gross and unsettling. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that there's a rhyme or reason to it just not sure what that is.

Because he talked about that the series will do well in all it's media and I posted about it to show how it is. I don't care if you think that it's gross or whatever because that's not the intention. I have the numbers and the knowledgeable about many products regarding sales and their situation, It makes sense in this context and I'm using for it to give context to what was said, not to make a point.

In the other case where I used it, it also made sense with what I tried to say.
 

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Slightly OT, but what's a woman's perspective on the berserk manga?

I don't know if it's because I'm a woman or due to my personal aversion to the manga but I've never considered Berserk a masterpiece it's hailed as for two reasons: its treatement of women and the general machoism. I'm aware of its merits and influence, as a manga connoisseur, but these things never allowed me to fully appreciate it. It's hypocritical of me as my favourite manga, Innocent / Innocent Rouge, also uses rape as a plot device and though it gives birth to one of the best female characters in the medium, it doesn't make it less deplorable. The mixed reaction of the Japanese readers to the said character's rise in prominence during the course of the story is I think reflective of what Japanese game developers may fear so they don't put enough effort into making full-fledged female characters but the sequel sells consistently well for a niche series so the jokes are on them.

Now, to be more on topic, I'd like to share my minor frustration with the lack of 18+ otome games. This frustration stems from two issues: the available 18+ otome and the "faceless man syndrome", as I call it. First, the existing games are rife with unfortunate elements, such as a) loli protagonist (Under the Moon, Kamisama Nante Yondenai, to name a few, and the latter would be almost perfect without this flaw), b) submissive protagonist and/or abusive love interest (here I'll use Sanzen Sekai Yuuki as an example of something that avoided that), c) since it's about visual novels, sometimes I can't get over unappealing art style, even if the rest seems fine. What is left is a very limited pool of games that may or may not have other, less glaring problems. This is where the second issues rears its ugly head and it concerns the majority of visual novels that feature sexual content, even in scarce amount. I wouldn't complain if it appealed to both men and women but it almost never does. At best, the male character is presented as a faceless man and at worst not present all at while female characters... You got the point. It's so bad that I always opt for an all ages version if it's available. What's worse, even the Steampunk series which is penned by a woman plays by the book. Part of my frustration also comes from the fact that, to be honest, some male characters from non-otome games are better designed than your otome love interests (point C) and a game may even make a point of confirming that a character is indeed handsome and then nothing comes out of it. While with loli and submissive protagonists there's some pandering to the male audience but the only form of pandering to the female audience that I've seen on many occasions is making a protagonist mess around with another male character as a joke. And I don't even want to consider that subset of games with a female lead that is destined to become a victim of gross things, it makes me shiver knowing that people get enjoyment out of that. I know that faceless guys are essentially self-inserts and I encroach on something sacred here but unfortunately for me, sometimes what I look for exactly in terms of setting/plot is in those male protagonist-driven novels and I just have to deal with that.

I suppose there are many possible explanations as to why this situation arose but I personally hope one of them is not the assumption that women are less of sexual beings than men and hence would be satisfied with safe for work otome games. I do love those too but I want my woman-oriented mature content as well. And the industry's solution appears to be, as I mentioned, yaoi. According to databases and from my own experience, there are more yaoi games out there than 18+ otome ones which feels odd. I don't want to delve into yaoi as it opens another can of worms but it makes me wonder if there is an actual demand for BL games or titilation in non-otome games from the audience or the audience just has to silently accept the status quo because it's so arduous (/s) to write a young woman who embraces her sexuality.
 

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Because he talked about that the series will do well in all it's media and I posted about it to show how it is. I don't care if you think that it's gross or whatever because that's not the intention. I have the numbers and the knowledgeable about many products regarding sales and their situation, It makes sense in this context and I'm using for it to give context to what was said, not to make a point.

In the other case where I used it, it also made sense with what I tried to say.

This answer suggests I maybe shouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'd also argue that in 50% (I'm being generous) of your posts in the last 4/5 pages you actually haven't added anything to the conversation besides maybe muddle it. Seeing as people have had to ask you why you're doing what you're doing. It might actually suggest you don't write as clearly as you believe you do.

In the future I recommend tying the numbers to the point you're trying to make so you can contribute. I'll leave it at that.
 

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The "They're not real children" defense rings especially hollow to me these days when you look at the support a pedophile that draws hentai of real children gets.

Which surprise me how he isn't arrested?

I don't just mean changing the age in text. That's how some games try to get around this. They say a character is 18 and then the depiction is like a 12 year old. Cue the 9000 year old dragon meme.

Saw this screenshot of one of recent fall anime.

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Much like Akira, the Nausicaa film is a heavily abridged adaptation of the initial manga volumes, effectively summing up the major themes but cutting much of the depth.

Oh I thought the Nausicaa film was the original adaptation.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

What makes it sexist to you?

What's sexist about a game where women are kidnapped and forced to dress in fetish outfits for the titillation of a sex pervert?
 

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Oh I thought the Nausicaa film was the original adaptation.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.



What's sexist about a game where women are kidnapped and forced to dress in fetish outfits for the titillation of a sex pervert?
I know women that would find that funny as entertainment and gravitate more to the fact it's all female centered fighter game.
 
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I know women that would find that funny as entertainment and gravitate more to the fact it's all female centered fighter game.

"My girlfriend says it's ok, so everyone with something against it is wrong", is what this post amounts to.

If you seriously can't see anything wrong with an entirely female cast being dressed in nothing but skimpy clothes, I honestly don't know what to say. The fact that you have to unlock their normal outfits says it all really.
 

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I know women that would find that funny as entertainment and gravitate more to the fact it's all female centered fighter game.
And I know men who would find it sexist, what's your point? Women don't all think alike, and it's perfectly fine for some to disagree with each other or like different things. It doesn't make anything that's being said less valid.

Heck, liking a game doesn't mean it's also not sexist. There are plenty of games I like but that are also sexest.
 

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Why do women not support games like SNK Heroines but still criticize the industry for lack of representation?

Wow you are absolutely right! We should all bow down to SNK for gracing us ungrateful bitches with any representation at all. Who cares if the number one goal with the game was catering to creepy men's fetishes so they can masturbate over it instead of making an actually GOOD game. It has WOMEN in it and we should throw our money at it no matter how gross or awful it is or else it is our fault that the industry doesn't have more female characters in games. I'm glad we have fine men like you here to show us the errors of our ways. :D
 

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Well on the plus side I went and impulse bought the complete Nausicaa manga. I've always wanted to watch the film since I heard it was a major inspiration for Panzer Dragoon, but hearing that the manga is the actual original work made me slide towards it.
 

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Just stopped by to check on this thread and I come across this gem. This is almost as funny as that time someone called Xenoblade Chronicles 2 a female power fantasy.

I just don't believe that person is genuine. You can watch a trailer and know why. I'm actually impressed it got published. Aside from being all about fan service, it's themes are also pretty sexist and insidious. The fan-service is overt, but the themes/justifications are extremely questionable, but written like it's whatever, "oh what fun!"
 

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All my woman friends who were interested in SNK Heroines (whether because they like sexy designs or because they wanted an all-girls fighter in spite of the designs or wanted both) pretty much lost interest the moment the game's setup was revealed. It's not something like an "all women's tournament" they all joined willingly or something, it's completely non-consensual nonsense. The only girl who remotely likes what's going on is Shermie. I mean, that the game promotes itself on putting the girls in sexualized outfits all gasping and blushing, AND also displays its villain as leeching off of the women's "fear and discomfort".... well I mean. At best it's hypocritical and at worst it's saying maybe the misogynist villain who wants to collect women like anime figures has a point. And that's just. Ew.

Like. Obviously it's just an excuse to have these women dress up sexy without breaking character. But you gotta think somewhat about what message you're putting out when the marketing of your game is girls blushing in embarrassment and looking shocked.

So yeah. No. I can safely say SNK Heroines is sexist tripe. And disappointing to boot- I tell you, I was hyped when it was first announced at that Nintendo direct. But almost every single last new bit of info disappointed me more and more.
 

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When games have a group of women in the cast, put them in sexualised outfits and then put these pervert characters in to drool over them, collect them, capture or assault them (Valkyria Chronicles 4, Persona 5, Luminous Arc 2, SNK Heroines), anyone that thinks it's done for a female audience is kidding themselves. SNK Heroines goes as far as the camera view that the player has being how the villain is ogling them, and dressing them up in skimpy outfits to fight for his amusement being the link between what both he and the player is doing. The perv is literally the viewpoint character, the link between his mysognisistic voyeurism/direction and both the player and the actual games direction/concept is disgusting. At least in the other games the blank-slate viewpoints that the player sees this shit going on from are 'just' guilty of mostly doing fuck-all about the third-party pervs drooling over their pals, presumably to allow the player to enjoy it (and the incoming slap from another npc) without the 'fun being spoiled' of the Pc saying 'this is fucking wrong, stop it'. SNK Heroines takes it further than that in that the camera asks the player to empathise with and be the villain, and suggests they aren't so different. A sly suggestion of 'aren't we all a bit of a pervert around these sexualised young female characters, those of us making and buying this shit, and that's ok?' The idea that it's taking an old IP originally built to get more new players into fighting games through simplified mechanics and 'girly' visuals and then selling it to otaku through this nonsense is a bit twisted.
 
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I was interested in SNK Heroines back when I thought it might be a follow-up to the old Gals Fighters game on the NGPC, which was a great game.

then i saw gameplay and WELP

That moment when you realize that one time they had Mai turned into a literal cow was more respectful than her treatment in SNK Heroines.
 

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That's not even what's happening in SNK Heroines. They are put there against their will. Anyone that doesn't think the game is sexist is insane.

Well hey if they aren't blushing and complaining the entire way how can we know they;re pure and virginal? What would you have them do, display even the slightest bit of sexual agency?

Actually I'm curious. Is there any way a game like this could go over well? Like even if they rewrote the story so that it was something all the women chose and were comfortable with, they're still fictional characters lacking agency.
 

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Seeing that XSEED guy's defense of that creepy senran kagura mode just makes me sad

it's honestly kinda weird how they localize some of the best games when it comes to female characters (Trails, for the most part at least) but continue to bring that franchise over. I figure it's the easiest way to pay the bills, but yikes. The sooner they can cut their ties with it the better

I also have to question when "not being ok with depicting molestation" became some sort of Big Brother-style censorship and not blatant common sense
 
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Platy The ritual is complete, you have been summoned, hit it.

There's a joke involving this post and your username but unfortunately that's not the ritual

Platy WE SUMMON THEE! COME HENCE TO THIS THREAD FOR US!!!!

But the person is already banned so why bother ?

I will just give a small answer and be done with it since most people covered the basics already =P

Why do women not support games like SNK Heroines but still criticize the industry for lack of representation?

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In the begining of the year 2000, SNK released a game called SNK Gal Fighters for the poorly sold Neo Geo Pocket Color. Like Pocket Fighter 3 years prior, it was a casual focused game with majority of playable women (a rarity for the time for both companies) and featured cute SD characters and a fun and joking image. One could even say that these 2 games were the start of focusing fighting games not only to a casual audience but to an audience that was not male only anymore.

Fastfoward a few years and some talks of a spiritual sequel to Gal Fighters is mentioned on rumors but nothing ...

And than ... something is announced on a Nintendo direct ... "SNK Heroines Face off" said the direct title for the next game
"OMFG THEY ARE REALLY DOING A SEQUEL TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE GAMES" my heart beats
It starts pretty ok ("warning : it is not SD" the back of my mind warns me) with everyone with acceptable clothing ... even if it is weird that kula is not kula. Than on gameplay, athena is wearing some weird clothes....

And it all went downhill from there.

We ended up getting a game that objectifies the women so much that Mai fucking Shiranui is ASHAMED on her oficial artwork.
Almost every main clothing is a literal fetish. You need to actually unlock the regular outfits.

You know why ? The plot justifies because everyone of those women were actually ruffied and woke up dressed in clothing they hate because the actual lore of the game is that a pervert that will fight with "fetichism explosiom" will do anything to raise the despair of these women to feed the sand machine he has for reasons. Best part ? Since he is the one that is doing all the voyer stuff and choosing how they dress, they basically turned a cool "dress how you like" in a sexual abuse minigame yaaaay. And the "cute fun theme" of the game implies it is all ok because what is more fun than abuse, amrigt?

And everything is ignoring that all the women are thin and basically the only body difference is how big are their breasts and how tall they are.
Horraaaaay for impossible standards of beauty !

And then, if this was not enough, they announce Terry Bogard to the game.

Lets pause a minute and talk about the story of Gal Fighters, the Neo Geo Pocket game.
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The story of the game is that someone is doing a Queen of Fighters (get it ? get it ?) tournament and the prize is a talisman who grants wishes. Not only is that story silly by itself, since that game actually honors the SNK part of the name and features characters that were not avaliable in KOF at the moment like even a Last Blade character, but it makes for silly funny endings like Leona wishing for her pain to end ... which ends up taking out a tooth =P

The final boss is a character name Miss X
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As you (and pratically every character in the game) can clearly see, Miss X is Iori in drag.
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A character that is hidden within the game is Yuki, Kyo's girlfriend that actually makes her first playable appearance here and would later appear a few months later in KOF 97.
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In her ending, Yuki makes Iori promisse to be nice to Kyo or she will use the talisman to turn her into a woman. It is all in good fun.
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Every instance of Iori in drag is made as a nice fun nod to the character. Nobody has a problem with him being in drag. Nobody jokes on how iori is wearing a skirt. It is all fun and completely normal. One of the credits images is even lots of kof dudes having fun
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AND he has a cool design that respects his movement and is not sexualized.

Ok so where was I ? Yes.... Terry Bogard.
When terry bogard was rumores to be in this game I imagined a similar thing would have happened and OH BOY how wrong I was.
Terry Bogard has a generic zero muscle big boobs "hot women body" ... AND his classic clothing is completely ignored for a miniskirt (WITH THE BUTTONS OPEN) and a top. And he freaks out when he discovers. And teammates laugh when they see. And his ending is him having a nightmare that his son is killing him in the same way Geese died. But hey it was just a dream so hilarious.

Seriously that Terry artwork could be used as an oficial image for this thread because comparing to his regular outfit IS why women criticise objectified character designs. And I say objectified because obviously there are zero sex references in this game since they all need to be pure and virgin to the point of MAI blushing to a bikini.

And I am only talking about the ingame stuff. The interviews have people basically complaining about the sjws in the west and thinking they did a non objectified game and how this game will bring the casuals by focusing on the smelly otaku that buys pollok paintings on black light pillows of wifus.
And the game released and it is bad, does not have crouch, guards with a button.

First dlc announced, it is a character from a mobile game

Second DLC is Skullomania as a girl.
Not a girl transformed by skullomania like the Street Fighter EX art implies, the actual Skullomania transformed to have the same fucking body type except height and bust size. At least the clothing is the same i guess.

And there is a rumor that Miss X is a dlc character in the game. The only doubt I have is what bra size they will give to Iori, because if they missed the point ENTIRELY of why Gal Fighters is Gal Fighters, why not miss the X point on Miss X, right ?
 

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But the person is already banned so why bother ?

I will just give a small answer and be done with it since most people covered the basics already =P



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In the begining of the year 2000, SNK released a game called SNK Gal Fighters for the poorly sold Neo Geo Pocket Color. Like Pocket Fighter 3 years prior, it was a casual focused game with majority of playable women (a rarity for the time for both companies) and featured cute SD characters and a fun and joking image. One could even say that these 2 games were the start of focusing fighting games not only to a casual audience but to an audience that was not male only anymore.

Fastfoward a few years and some talks of a spiritual sequel to Gal Fighters is mentioned on rumors but nothing ...

And than ... something is announced on a Nintendo direct ... "SNK Heroines Face off" said the direct title for the next game
"OMFG THEY ARE REALLY DOING A SEQUEL TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE GAMES" my heart beats
It starts pretty ok ("warning : it is not SD" the back of my mind warns me) with everyone with acceptable clothing ... even if it is weird that kula is not kula. Than on gameplay, athena is wearing some weird clothes....

And it all went downhill from there.

We ended up getting a game that objectifies the women so much that Mai fucking Shiranui is ASHAMED on her oficial artwork.
Almost every main clothing is a literal fetish. You need to actually unlock the regular outfits.

You know why ? The plot justifies because everyone of those women were actually ruffied and woke up dressed in clothing they hate because the actual lore of the game is that a pervert that will fight with "fetichism explosiom" will do anything to raise the despair of these women to feed the sand machine he has for reasons. Best part ? Since he is the one that is doing all the voyer stuff and choosing how they dress, they basically turned a cool "dress how you like" in a sexual abuse minigame yaaaay. And the "cute fun theme" of the game implies it is all ok because what is more fun than abuse, amrigt?

And everything is ignoring that all the women are thin and basically the only body difference is how big are their breasts and how tall they are.
Horraaaaay for impossible standards of beauty !

And then, if this was not enough, they announce Terry Bogard to the game.

Lets pause a minute and talk about the story of Gal Fighters, the Neo Geo Pocket game.
rTU9eaW.gif

The story of the game is that someone is doing a Queen of Fighters (get it ? get it ?) tournament and the prize is a talisman who grants wishes. Not only is that story silly by itself, since that game actually honors the SNK part of the name and features characters that were not avaliable in KOF at the moment like even a Last Blade character, but it makes for silly funny endings like Leona wishing for her pain to end ... which ends up taking out a tooth =P

The final boss is a character name Miss X
slb759P.gif


gcRnm2c.gif

As you (and pratically every character in the game) can clearly see, Miss X is Iori in drag.
fpv74SK.gif

Do9OqcD.gif

A character that is hidden within the game is Yuki, Kyo's girlfriend that actually makes her first playable appearance here and would later appear a few months later in KOF 97.
xSxQyht.gif

In her ending, Yuki makes Iori promisse to be nice to Kyo or she will use the talisman to turn her into a woman. It is all in good fun.
n33aEhW.png

Every instance of Iori in drag is made as a nice fun nod to the character. Nobody has a problem with him being in drag. Nobody jokes on how iori is wearing a skirt. It is all fun and completely normal. One of the credits images is even lots of kof dudes having fun
iW0yBjP.png

AND he has a cool design that respects his movement and is not sexualized.

Ok so where was I ? Yes.... Terry Bogard.
When terry bogard was rumores to be in this game I imagined a similar thing would have happened and OH BOY how wrong I was.
Terry Bogard has a generic zero muscle big boobs "hot women body" ... AND his classic clothing is completely ignored for a miniskirt (WITH THE BUTTONS OPEN) and a top. And he freaks out when he discovers. And teammates laugh when they see. And his ending is him having a nightmare that his son is killing him in the same way Geese died. But hey it was just a dream so hilarious.

Seriously that Terry artwork could be used as an oficial image for this thread because comparing to his regular outfit IS why women criticise objectified character designs. And I say objectified because obviously there are zero sex references in this game since they all need to be pure and virgin to the point of MAI blushing to a bikini.

And I am only talking about the ingame stuff. The interviews have people basically complaining about the sjws in the west and thinking they did a non objectified game and how this game will bring the casuals by focusing on the smelly otaku that buys pollok paintings on black light pillows of wifus.
And the game released and it is bad, does not have crouch, guards with a button.

First dlc announced, it is a character from a mobile game

Second DLC is Skullomania as a girl.
Not a girl transformed by skullomania like the Street Fighter EX art implies, the actual Skullomania transformed to have the same fucking body type except height and bust size. At least the clothing is the same i guess.

And there is a rumor that Miss X is a dlc character in the game. The only doubt I have is what bra size they will give to Iori, because if they missed the point ENTIRELY of why Gal Fighters is Gal Fighters, why not miss the X point on Miss X, right ?
This post explains all that is wrong with that game, and as such perfectly exemplifies the whole topic about objectification.

Thank you for taking the time to write it.
 

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Yup, that's a great post. Sometimes it feels silly to answer questions that feel too simple or obvious but Platy digs into it really well and putting a lot of effort into the presentation too. Much appreciated!
 

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Great post, Platy!

Such a stark contrast to Statistican(TM)s posts. Yours is informative, clear, easy to read, and filled with good points.
 

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"Why didn't woman support SNK Heroines?"
"Women actually like SNK heroines!"

Now that's an interesting position, lol.
 

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Seriously great post Platy . Whenever I see Gal Fighters and think what could have been...


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They could've AT LEAST thrown a port in Heroines as a bonus and couldn't even do that.


And I am only talking about the ingame stuff. The interviews have people basically complaining about the sjws in the west and thinking they did a non objectified game and how this game will bring the casuals by focusing on the smelly otaku that buys pollok paintings on black light pillows of wifus.

I really hated the recent interview where Oda said, "This was just marketed toward the Asian market anyway..."

And there is a rumor that Miss X is a dlc character in the game. The only doubt I have is what bra size they will give to Iori, because if they missed the point ENTIRELY of why Gal Fighters is Gal Fighters, why not miss the X point on Miss X, right ?

Consider the other rumored character is Janne, a boy-crazy version of Joan of Arc who just wants to find a husband. Quite fitting really.
 

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FallenGrace

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Visited my grandparents while they were watching a Carry On film. It's kinda amusing how much modern day anime (and associated video games) reflects the worst parts of 1960s British comedy...
Oh god, my girlfriends parents have the whole collection and watch them all the time, it's the most cringe worthy garbage available....
 

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It's how Actual Fascists work.

Anyone who hasn't read these articles on the tactics they use to indoctrinate internet communities really ought to:
How White Nationalism Courts Internet Nerd Culture
The Rhetoric Tricks, Traps, and Tactics of White Nationalism
Eco's article on Ur-Fascism is also really good: https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Their goal has not changed substantially since its inception, which is effectively just a very long form of moving the goal posts. They do this in order to damage progressive realities today and their end goal is to wind the clock back by appealing to the past as always being somehow better than the present. It is, and must necessarily be, backwards thinking.
 
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In general I think this thread has done well to balance out the pure negativity of all these objectified deptictions of women with occasional posts that celebrate female character designs that actually get it right. However, one thing I've seen both in this thread and the previous are posts saying that the person had never seen a game that actually had anything interesting to say about sexuality. This was done in response to the nonsense about "there's nothing wrong with sex in games" or "sex sells" and rightfully pointing out that sex and objectification are not the same thing. But still, that's a little sad to me considering how I haven't really seen anyone interjecting with examples of games they think handles sexuality well (or I missed those posts).

So I'd like to shine some light on games that actually deal with sex. But rather than presenting the perspective about what a straight white cis male virgin thinks are good representations of sex, I'd like to refer to material by Robert Yang (also, I haven't actually played that many sex games). Naturally, these involve some nsfw stuff, so warnings on that. (Seeing some of the stuff being posted in this thread, this is quite mild in comparison, i.m.o.)

Here's is an unfortunately unfinished series of blog posts about sex games. It lists some interesting games and their takes on sex.
Part 0: The sex games awaken
Part 1: Sex as bodies
Part 2: Sex as gesture / sex as poking

A more recent talk that explores the ideas behind his games more:
Sexuality, technology and videogames
About 1 hour long. He starts off with a bunch of 'eeh, uhms' (he needs to work on that) but it gets much better once he gets into the flow more. If you just want a quick overview / recommendations of things to check out look at the blog posts instead.

I haven't played all (or even most) of the games he talks about, but one I have played and want to highlight more is Luxeria Superbia. I love Tale of Tales in general, and I think it's great how they manage to make an immensely sexual game purely in the abstract. I don't think there's any stronger example of how objectification is not sex.
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Also relevant to this conversation is Robert Yang's own Succulent. He says in the talk that this is a little bit his response to people saying "games sexualize/objectify men too!".
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