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Unfortunately, they'd lose Jewish support. Many US Jews are PEPs (Progressive Except Palestine) so going on the side of the Palestinians would mean a large part of Jewish Americans (notably a large part of those with money/influence) would go Republican the next day. Remember that Hollywood darling Gal Gadot is a despicable IDF apologist.

Jews are a fairly consistent and powerful Dem voting bloc but a) they are fairly concentrated, and we could lose that bloc without much ill effect b) there are many Jewish people who are on the right side of this and do not support the illegal settlements and atrocities and c) it's simply the right and ethical thing to do. We can't support an ethnostate in the Middle East. We just can't.

I'll keep saying it- if the Democratic Party isn't going to be any better than Republicans then what's the point?
 

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While large parts of the Democratic establishment are indeed too friendly towards Israel, one party has some likelihood to do something about it, the other party has none.

The solution should be total BDS until all of the 1967 borders are under full Palestinian control. Starve out Israeli government and businesses until that point.
There is no "likely" option. Both parties don't give a flying shit about the middle east/levant, only difference is that one is pretending to care.
 
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Obama was quietly quite skeptical of Israel and Netanyahu openly playing favorites with the GOP is starting to turn the tide.

Inertia is important and for now the pro-Israeli elements of the electorate are more important to Democratic leadership than anti-Israeli elements (mostly due to the strong Jewish presence in places like New York, Chicago, and LA), but that has slowly been changing with Netanyahu going all-in on the GOP.

Yeah, slowly changing with an emphasis on the 'slowly'. Outside of fringe elements of the party like Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez, Democrats in the House and Senate have had very little bad to say about Netanyahu, and many of the presidential hopefuls in particular, ie Warren, Harris, Booker are not only super pro-Israel, but are scared to death of even remotely being perceived as having criticized it (see Booker's incident with the 'no walls' sign). I seriously doubt Netanyahu's political party of choice is going to dent Democratic support for Israel anytime soon. This really isn't an issue that Democrats need to be defended on, it's alright to criticize them on this without having to bend over to try and cushion those complaints.
 
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Alo0oy

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Unfortunately, they'd lose Jewish support. Many US Jews are PEPs (Progressive Except Palestine) so going on the side of the Palestinians would mean a large part of Jewish Americans (notably a large part of those with money/influence) would go Republican the next day. Remember that Hollywood darling Gal Gadot is a despicable IDF apologist.

I read a poll somewhere that showed younger American Jews are more likely to be anti-Israel, organizations like JVP & IfNotNow are huge these days, unfortunately, a bunch of Jewish college students don't have much lobbying power.
 

Randam

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Why do they attack them? And why do they use stones and even kill them?

Edit: so it was a car crash!?
OP made it sound like they attacked them and hit them with stones till they were dead.

And Israeli police is investigating.

Shitty nonetheless
 
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Alo0oy

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There is no "likely" option. Both parties don't give a flying shit about the middle east/levant, only difference is that one is pretending to care.

Exactly that, they'l trot out a young Muslim woman for a photo-op to say tHeY'rE DiVeRsE, and to make their white voters feel better about themselves (and notice those PR photo-ops are never with Palestinians or Iraqis...I wonder why?), but their policies are never favorable to the Middle East, the best they can say is they don't have nutjobs like John McCain that sing "bomb bomb Iran".
 

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Why do they attack them? And why do they use stones and even kill them?

Edit: so it was a car crash!?
OP made it sound like they attacked them and hit them with stones till they were dead.

And Israeli police is investigating.

Shitty nonetheless
She died because settlers threw rocks at her car. The fact her car crashed is because of that act.
 

Ogodei

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Yeah, slowly changing with an emphasis on the 'slowly'. Outside of fringe elements of the party like Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez, Democrats in the House and Senate have had very little bad to say about Netanyahu, and many of the presidential hopefuls in particular, ie Warren, Harris, Booker are not only super pro-Israel, but are scared to death of even remotely being perceived as having criticized it (see Booker's incident with the 'no walls' sign). I seriously doubt Netanyahu's political party of choice is going to dent Democratic support for Israel anytime soon. This really isn't an issue that Democrats need to be defended on, it's alright to criticize them on this without having to bend over to try and cushion those complaints.

I agree to a certain extent, but the conversation was started by "don't vote in the US because nobody will help Palestine." The point is at least that there's one party that could *listen* under the right circumstances.
 

Karasseram

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This is one thing we can agree both parties in the US are the same on. Their dickless supporters of israels atrocities.
 

ArnoldJRimmer

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These same fucking animals have been throwing stones at CHILDREN making their way to school for years now.

The IDF does absolutely nothing.
 

Inkvoterad

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nazi scum. Fuck anyone who defends the Israeli government and their disgusting fascist supporters.
 

Dobby

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User banned (permanent): Backseat moderation, community whining, junior account.
Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
 

Inkvoterad

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.

A site that collectively hates the Israeli government sounds pretty dope.
 

Regulus Tera

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Oct 25, 2017
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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
lol not at all
 

Richter1887

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Oct 27, 2017
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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
I guess black people getting shot by cops threads need to be banned too because it happens a lot right?

Go away.
 

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
Dude this is a pathetic look.
 

Distantmantra

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.

Should we ban anything negative about America, then?

Ive spent a good amount of time in Israel on Kbbutz Nir David throughout my life. I have dear friends who live there and I love visiting. That does not excuse behavior such as this.
 

Karasseram

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
I agree we should rather applaud the brave Israeli government for their great job at keeping those filthy palestinians under foot! /s
 

Dobby

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Nonesense how exactly?

You are the one that need to go on because your other posts on the Palestinian/Israeli threads clearly shows where you stand.
The last time I commented in an Israel-related thread was in February 2018. What a sad attempt at a deflection.

I'm waiting for your explanation. You are the one who brought up black people being shot by the police. Please, go on. I'll wait.
 

Alavard

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.

Any country that commits human rights abuses can be discussed on this forum. Why should Israel have immunity to that?
 
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And Israeli police is investigating.

They're "investigating" wink, wink.

I remember a case a few years ago where three Jewish youths went out for a night on the town, stopped at a store and bought a knife then surrounded an Arab youth and stabbed him repeatedly, including in the neck, until he died, all while shouting "death to Arabs". Prosecutor decided they couldn't be charged with murder because there was no proof they intended to harm the victim...
 

Bedlam

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
Many of us also do not like some other human rights-violating countries and terrorist organizations very much. So what? Want to ban all those discussions?
 

Dobby

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Any country that commits human rights abuses can be discussed on this forum. Why should Israel have immunity to that?
The entirety of my point is that there isn't a discussion. This thread is a perfect example.

My post has sparked literally the only discussion in this thread. The dozens of drive-by one-liner hate posts above it do not constitute discussion. That's my point.
 

Richter1887

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The last time I commented in an Israel-related thread was in February 2018. What a sad attempt at a deflection.

I'm waiting for your explanation. You are the one who brought up black people being shot by the police. Please, go on. I'll wait.
Your other posts expose you as an Israeli apologist.

You said we shouldn't mention the evil shit Israel does because it is anti Israel and doesn't add anything to the conversation. Same could be said about police shooting innocent black people because all these threads have people getting banned, calling the cops assholes etc.

But you know why these threads get posted? It is news and just burying it in the sand helps no one understand that there is a fucking issue.
 

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.

Ayyy a bootlicker

As for the topic, it's an incredibly tragic event and everyone responsible should be brought to justice. But that won't happen in a fascist state.

This is also a perfect demonstration of how the Democrats aren't equipped with dealing with fascists.
 

Bedlam

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The entirety of my point is that there isn't a discussion. This thread is a perfect example.
Tell Bibi not no call everyone an antisemite as soon as they criticize this shitty, downright criminal government. Maybe then we can have a discussion.

What's your comment on on this specific crime btw? You conveniently ignored the point of this topic just to generally call for a shutdown of all Israel-critical threads. That's such a fantastic argument!
 
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"Settlers"
Now those are terrorists. Scum of the Earth.
I'd call them something else, something extremely accurate.
But y'know...

Fuck 'em. They should be hanged. Even better, meet a grizzly end, the lot of them, they're not settlers.
They're invaders.
Fucking scum has been making me sick since I was old enough to know.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
 

Aramon

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Israel threads need to be permanently banned on this forum. There is absolutely no point to them.

We get it, this forum absolutely hates Israel. Cool. Cue the 40 drive-by one-liner posts that have nothing to do with the OP. Then Nazi comparisons. Then bans. Then the thread is locked.

Absolutely pointless and just creates an outlet for hate on this website. Look at the first page of this thread. We have literally become an Israeli hate site at this point.
Should we also demonise palestinians for killing innocent people. This happened days ago and not a peep on this site.

Just few days ago palestinian man murdered two people in cold blood.

Kim Levengrond Yehezkel, 28, and Ziv Hajbi, 35, were shot dead at a factory near the Jewish settlement of Ariel.

He subsequently went to the factory's offices on the second floor, where he tied up and shot Ms Yehezkel, a mother-of-one who was working as a secretary, and Mr Hajbi, a father-of-three who worked in accounting.

He shot another woman in the stomach, moderately wounding her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45783482
 

Richter1887

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Should we also demonise palestinians for killing innocent people. This happened days ago and not a peep on this site.

Just few days ago palestinian man murdered two people in cold blood.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45783482
So you expect a settlement in the West Bank land AKA Palestinian lands to exist peacefully?

Also why didn't you make a thread? I would certainly be happy to discuss how the Israeli government sending their people into the middle of Palestine affects them and Palestine itself.