Kotaku: Microsoft finalizing deal to acquire Obsidian Entertainment

OneBadMutha · Oct 13, 2018

Not going to take a dump on the mods or this forum. When Microsoft comes up on the internet, it's triggers the masses. I've been gaming on Xbox since it launched in 2001. Before they became ghost towns, Gamespot and IGN forums were shitshows about everything Microsoft even in dedicated Xbox forums. Average Joe doesn't understand how corporations work. Corporations don't have feelings by the way. We don't need to stand up for them.

It's hard to moderate Xbox topics. At least there's a few Xbox dedicated threads with good community members that are mostly untrolled which is a vast improvement over any other congested multiconsole gaming forum I've seen the past 17 years. It is what it is. My advice if for gamers to not take it personal. You don't need to fight Microsoft's PR battles. They're well equipped.

People who dislike a corporation are allowed to voice their displeasure over Microsoft buying a developer they like. Obsidian being funded properly and releasing games on Game Pass seems like a net win for gaming overall. Others are allowed to disagree. People need to get better at having disagreements without acting like a piece of plastic is family.

Sever · Oct 13, 2018

Seems like some people just want to push the narrative that MS is shit.

If you think MS is shit or dislike any of these acquisitions you are within your right to post your displeasure.

Why do you even care? its not like most normal people go into topic's they give zero fucks about and go on and on about how much said company is shit just to troll.

If your an Obsidian fan and this isn't some thing that you want, I can understand your fears about MS acquiring Obsidian.

As for me I'm all for it I would love to see the new worlds Obsidian would create with a budget that fits their talent.

Going back to lurk mode.

Ushay · Oct 13, 2018

Bengraven said:
Been a while since they ate a beloved PC gaming studio and destroyed them. It's about time.

Vault said:
some of the posts here read like astroturfing

reads like Microsoft PR

Post like this are the reason I'd rather keep it (civil) in the OT thread.

TechnicPuppet · Oct 13, 2018

OneBadMutha said:
Not going to take a dump on the mods or this forum. When Microsoft comes up on the internet, it's triggers the masses. I've been gaming on Xbox since it launched in 2001. Before they became ghost towns, Gamespot and IGN forums were shitshows about everything Microsoft even in dedicated Xbox forums. Average Joe doesn't understand how corporations work. Corporations don't have feelings by the way. We don't need to stand up for them.

It's hard to moderate Xbox topics. At least there's a few Xbox dedicated threads with good community members that are mostly untrolled which is a vast improvement over any other congested multiconsole gaming forum I've seen the past 17 years. It is what it is. My advice if for gamers to not take it personal. You don't need to fight Microsoft's PR battles. They're well equipped.

People who dislike a corporation are allowed to voice their displeasure over Microsoft buying a developer they like. Obsidian being funded properly and releasing games on Game Pass seems like a net win for gaming overall. Others are allowed to disagree. People need to get better at having disagreements without acting like a piece of plastic is family.

Edited to avoid confusion.

Except for the fact we lost a great member, at least temporarily because of it, I hope they come back. Can't really afford to lose anyone who gives great contributions to the Xbox side, there's so few.

Brown Intruder · Oct 13, 2018

GHG said:
Yes it's one big joke and Resetera (formerly Neogaf) is actually run by SoNinValve Corporation with the aim of abolishing Microsoft from the face of the Internet.

Great response. smh.

The viral marketeers create their "lets x game our avatars" and no one says anything. Yet people saying that a studio purchase are astroturfing and yeah are knee deep.

I have had my doubts about you since the old place and you just confirmed them. Well done

Deleted member 8408 · Oct 13, 2018

Brown Intruder said:
Great response. smh.

The viral marketeers create their "lets x game our avatars" and no one says anything. Yet people saying that a studio purchase are astroturfing and yeah are knee deep.

I have had my doubts about you since the old place and you just confirmed them. Well done

To be frank I don't care what your doubts or opinion is of me. Welcome to the ignore list.

Deleted member 43 · Oct 13, 2018

Seriously, stop this petty arguing now.

Deleted member 7753 · Oct 13, 2018

Why did the best guy on era leave? Why do people fear him soo bad?

Also MS buying more studios is a great thing, this is great for competition, more great games for us all.

crazillo · Oct 13, 2018

Sever said:
Seems like some people just want to push the narrative that MS is shit.

If you think MS is shit or dislike any of these acquisitions you are within your right to post your displeasure.

Why do you even care? its not like most normal people go into topic's they give zero fucks about and go on and on about how much said company is shit just to troll.

If your an Obsidian fan and this isn't some thing that you want, I can understand your fears about MS acquiring Obsidian.

As for me I'm all for it I would love to see the new worlds Obsidian would create with a budget that fits their talent.

Going back to lurk mode.

I've actually read a lot of MS is back and cool again newspaper articles and comments over the last couple of years. Nadella has done some great stuff. But working with Windows every day, everyone will have had problems at some point and then it's usually all out on the MS OS. Xbox has also improved its image over the last year or so, given they were seen on the death bed not too long ago, and now they surprisingly does look like a good, solid competitor going forward again. I've said it before, some gamers prefer to be on the best-selling platform and like to make fun of the others, and it was quite easy with Wii U and Xbox One earlier this gen. It's just childish to me. I personally want healthy competition that drives the industry forward as a whole, and am looking forward to it in the coming years. The Obsidian acquisition would make a lot of sense for both sides, they'd be given complete freedom while finally having financial stability. Some people's complaints about "I wanna play my games on Steam" are simply not as important as the fact that a talented team will continue to make games, employing some of the more creative folks of the industry in a genre that we all love.

talkTOmyHAND · Oct 13, 2018

OneBadMutha said:
Not going to take a dump on the mods or this forum. When Microsoft comes up on the internet, it's triggers the masses. I've been gaming on Xbox since it launched in 2001. Before they became ghost towns, Gamespot and IGN forums were shitshows about everything Microsoft even in dedicated Xbox forums. Average Joe doesn't understand how corporations work. Corporations don't have feelings by the way. We don't need to stand up for them.

It's hard to moderate Xbox topics. At least there's a few Xbox dedicated threads with good community members that are mostly untrolled which is a vast improvement over any other congested multiconsole gaming forum I've seen the past 17 years. It is what it is. My advice if for gamers to not take it personal. You don't need to fight Microsoft's PR battles. They're well equipped.

People who dislike a corporation are allowed to voice their displeasure over Microsoft buying a developer they like. Obsidian being funded properly and releasing games on Game Pass seems like a net win for gaming overall. Others are allowed to disagree. People need to get better at having disagreements without acting like a piece of plastic is family.

But within that "good community" there are members who are trolling from time to time on other companies and those kind of posts aren't sanctioned. Also those kind posts can cause reactions from "other" side.

Wing Scarab · Oct 13, 2018

The Living Tribunal said:
That's not true, most mods here have no bias, you really can't compare it to how things were back in the old place. That being said, they have been extremely forgiving with some of the stuff being thrown around in this thread.

Sorry going to have to disagree with you about this, especially stuff that has happen to me in the past. Lets just agree to disagree.

Deleted member 15311 · Oct 13, 2018

GHG said:
ell that's interesting because they were caught as recently as 2014 doing so via a third party agency and the old place was rife with it

There are lots of Sony's astroturfers too. I particularly remember when i had a Sony mp3 expensive as shit,giving all sorts of problems,the forums where filled up to the brim with people shutting down everything bad about it. I remember at time,some of them even worked for Sony. I trust every big company does this.
What is your fucking point and what does it have to do with people liking this acquisition to the point of calling them astroturfers?
i like this acquisition and I only game on pc, i always like Obsidian work and if they need help,it's good that someone is there to help them.
This fucking narrative of Ms shutting down studios after they bought them is becoming ridiculous,while in the same breath talking about how Sony is so good,when they.shut down a studio that delivered a quality product like Driveclub. The same way Valve took a dump on their fans and prefer to poor money on CS,Dota etc. Than finish their most loved series all over the world(Half Life 2 is my favorite game).
To read people like you,acting all sanctimonious,calling out people that like this move by ms is rich as fuck.

If you're going to call out people for astroturfing,then call out all the people batting for Sony when the crossplay stuff cropped up. I sure don't remember seeing you calling anyone out then,who's basically response was: They are the market leaders,they don't need to do shit...

B.C. · Oct 13, 2018

I've been a lurker to the site for a while. And no matter what gaming forum you visit, you find Xbox threads filled with gamers who have no interest in anything Xbox, yet still find it necessary to post in Xbox threads as concern trolls or simply to shit up the conversation with drive be posts - which is very, very odd in my opinion .

I have no interest in Nintendo (for example) so I don't bother entering the threads. The console nor the games appeal to me as a gamer, and I still respect those who don't agree. So why would I waste my time taking the shit out of a Nintendo topic? I visit topics that interest me (like Xbox threads) so I spend my time in those threads moreso than any others.

I'm just confused as to why certain posters who aren't interested in Xbox at all, feel the need to visit Xbox threads. It super comes off like they may be a bit shook about positive Xbox news. Bizarre.... very, very bizarre.

Deleted member 8408 · Oct 13, 2018

Ooze27 said:
There are lots of Sony's astroturfers too. I particularly remember when i had a Sony mp3 expensive as shit,giving all sorts of problems,the forums where filled up to the brim with people shutting down everything bad about it. I remember at time,some of them even worked for Sony. I trust every big company does this.
What is your fucking point and what does it have to do with people liking this acquisition to the point of calling them astroturfers?
i like this acquisition and I only game on pc, i always like Obsidian work and if they need help,it's good that someone is there to help them.
This fucking narrative of Ms shutting down studios after they bought them is becoming ridiculous,while in the same breath talking about how Sony is so good,when they.shut down a studio that delivered a quality product like Driveclub. The same way Valve took a dump on their fans and prefer to poor money on CS,Dota etc. Than finish their most loved series all over the world(Half Life 2 is my favorite game).
To read people like you,acting all sanctimonious,calling out people that like this move by ms is rich as fuck.

If you're going to call out people for astroturfing,then call out all the people batting for Sony when the crossplay stuff cropped up. I sure don't remember seeing you calling anyone out then,who's basically response was: They are the market leaders,they don't need to do shit...

Hey I'm not the one suggesting a company doesn't do it.

I'll leave it at that because the mods have already said it's not on topic and I've already received a warning for discussing this (which I'm sure will satisfy some people).

Steverulez · Oct 13, 2018

B.C. said:
I'm just confused as to why certain posters who aren't interested in Xbox at all, feel the need to visit Xbox threads. It super comes off like they may be a bit shook about positive Xbox news. Bizarre.... very, very bizarre.

Presumably nothing better to do with their time, and they know they wont get banned for shitting up threads, so I guess why not?

DJwest · Oct 13, 2018

TechnicPuppet said:
Except for the fact we lost a great member, at least temporarily because of it, I hope they come back. Can't really afford to lose anyone who gives great contributions to the Xbox side, there's so few. Hopefully Theorry is ok or were all doomed, doomed I tell you.

Theorry is gone ?

Switch · Oct 13, 2018

Its sad that the MS trolling is so rampant on here and NeoGaf, but In a way its good. The trolling by the PS Generation and the Nintendo gang have made MS up their game not just on a Hardware level, but on a software level with regards thier In House teams. MS now make better Hardware than Sony and have more In House teams than NCL. All MS and Phil needs to do now, is get the Yakuza team working on XBox and that's job done

B.C. · Oct 13, 2018

Steverulez said:
Presumably nothing better to do with their time, and they know they wont get banned for shitting up threads, so I guess why not?

If Positive Xbox news was a television series, concern trolling and drive by shit posts by Xbox haters would be considered a trope at this point.

Lukas Taves · Oct 13, 2018

GHG said:
Well that's interesting because they were caught as recently as 2014 doing so via a third party agency and the old place was rife with it.

It says right in the article that it was a 3rd party agency and that Ms ceased the promotion the minute they heard about it.

The old place riffing about it says pretty much nothing, that place (and here as well) loves to jump to conclusions (se the thread about virtual desktops for reference)

SuikerBrood · Oct 13, 2018

B.C. said:
I've been a lurker to the site for a while. And no matter what gaming forum you visit, you find Xbox threads filled with gamers who have no interest in anything Xbox, yet still find it necessary to post in Xbox threads as concern trolls or simply to shit up the conversation with drive be posts - which is very, very odd in my opinion .

I have no interest in Nintendo (for example) so I don't bother entering the threads. The console nor the games appeal to me as a gamer, and I still respect those who don't agree. So why would I waste my time taking the shit out of a Nintendo topic? I visit topics that interest me (like Xbox threads) so I spend my time in those threads moreso than any others.

I'm just confused as to why certain posters who aren't interested in Xbox at all, feel the need to visit Xbox threads. It super comes off like they may be a bit shook about positive Xbox news. Bizarre.... very, very bizarre.

This. I don't post in Sony or Nintendo related topics, only in Xbox or pc topics because that's where I game and that's where I'm interested in. I don't know why all these Xbox threads get destroyed all the times.

I do say that having a good discussion about pc gaming and the consequences of Microsoft buying pc centric devs is a discussion that should be possible in these threads.

Kolx · Oct 13, 2018

I got headache trying to understand how this thread got here, or why it's coming to 70 pages.

Durante · Oct 13, 2018

I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

But incidentally, that's what Obsidian does best (and better than anyone else right now, so it's not like we have a decent replacement).

SuikerBrood said:
I do say that having a good discussion about pc gaming and the consequences of Microsoft buying pc centric devs is a discussion that should be possible in these threads.

Yeah, like suddenly having to be on a specific Windows version to play games, and having to hope that the store works, while missing out on tons of features of competing platforms, and then not being able to mod the games in "unapproved" ways. The advantages are numerous, really.

SuikerBrood · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

But incidentally, that's what Obsidian does best (and better than anyone else right now, so it's not like we have a decent replacement).

Are you sure they aren't? They have bought Ninja Theory to build smaller AA projects and Rare's new project seems to be AA too. I think Klobrille's tweet summarizes it the best:

Do agree about the worries from the pc gaming community by the way.

shuno · Oct 13, 2018

Well... shame on the other publishers that they didn't had some love for Obsidian. Very talented people there. Sad to see them being sucked into Xbox family, but there you go. It's not Microsofts fault that others didn't had an eye for Obsidian.

Possumowner · Oct 13, 2018

I'm only here for the popcorn

Durante · Oct 13, 2018

SuikerBrood said:
Are you sure they aren't? They have bought Ninja Theory to build smaller AA projects and Rare's new project seems to be AA too. I think Klobrille's tweet summarizes it the best:

Ninja Theory's latest project is a graphically intense (and great looking!) action adventure game. It's exactly what you can sell to and market to a mainstream audience. It's not an isometric, tactical CRPG.

TechnicPuppet · Oct 13, 2018

DJwest said:
Theorry is gone ?

No I was saying if he went as well (as Klobrille) there would be no practicality no Xbox threads.

SuikerBrood · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
Ninja Theory's latest project is a graphically intense (and great looking!) action adventure game. It's exactly what you can sell to and market to a mainstream audience. It's not an isometric, tactical CRPG.

That's true, but I'm talking about creative freedom for developers and letting them do what they do best. I'm sure Microsoft is fine if they build more crpg's with their smaller team while working on a more 'console friendly' RPG with the majority of the studio. It seems to be their strategy going forward (Looking at Rare and Ninja Theory, looking at the acquisition of Compulsion)

Bear and bird · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
Ninja Theory's latest project is a graphically intense (and great looking!) action adventure game. It's exactly what you can sell to and market to a mainstream audience. It's not an isometric, tactical CRPG.

If Klobrille's info is correct, a clause in the acquisition contract is going to let Obsidian expand to 200+ devs

While we can't say for sure, I imagine it's to ensure that they'll be able to make both Pillars-esque games and mainstream games going forward.

Terror-Billy · Oct 13, 2018

B.C. said:
I've been a lurker to the site for a while. And no matter what gaming forum you visit, you find Xbox threads filled with gamers who have no interest in anything Xbox, yet still find it necessary to post in Xbox threads as concern trolls or simply to shit up the conversation with drive be posts - which is very, very odd in my opinion .

I have no interest in Nintendo (for example) so I don't bother entering the threads. The console nor the games appeal to me as a gamer, and I still respect those who don't agree. So why would I waste my time taking the shit out of a Nintendo topic? I visit topics that interest me (like Xbox threads) so I spend my time in those threads moreso than any others.

I'm just confused as to why certain posters who aren't interested in Xbox at all, feel the need to visit Xbox threads. It super comes off like they may be a bit shook about positive Xbox news. Bizarre.... very, very bizarre.

It is the saddest of affairs to be an Xbox fan on this site. I do the same thing, I only comment on Xbox One and Switch threads because those are the platforms I care about. I gain nothing going into a PS thread saying "lol Spider-Man sucks" when I haven't even seen a trailer. The only time I comment something related is when people discuss the PS4 Pro's loud fans, as I had a Pro for a year and a PS4 user for almost 3. Anyway, I'm more than happy with the platforms I own and that's all it counts.

Joker13 · Oct 13, 2018

This thread

Ushay · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

But incidentally, that's what Obsidian does best (and better than anyone else right now, so it's not like we have a decent replacement).

While I agree, CRPGs are their roots and forte, they delivered KOTOR 2, New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

I firmly believe they are at their best doing both ie 2 studios. It would be in MS best interest to have them output in both areas. Sure I'm not alone here in wanting something akin to KOTOR and New Vegas again from Obsidian for a long time now, without the acquisition how likely would that have been? Let's be honest here it's unlikely given they were on kick starter for the last 2 projects.

RoninChaos · Oct 13, 2018

I think this is good because Sony needs a challenger. They ran away with this gen because MS made some seriously stupid moves where as Sony came with strong hardware and stellar games. Having the big two closer to one another breeds competition and that's good for us. I also think MS being down this gen is what lead to some really good things like Phil being in charge which lead to things like game pass, BC, etc.

With that said I don't think game pass is a good value at 120 a year but if I can get it for 60 during a sale like I did this year then I'm down for it. BC on Xbox has been great because my son plays my old games. He's playing fable right now. I also am more inclined to buy MS games digitally because I can play them on my PC, which is great when my family is on the TV.

I do find it interesting though that the same people saying MS has no games are the same ones who seek to be upset that MS is bulking up what studios they have so they can produce more games of different varieties. Seems kind of odd.

One question though, didn't MS damn near cause Obsidian to go bankrupt? In Schrier's book I believe it said that MS wasn't down with how Obsidian made games but that was also under different MS management. Maybe I'm confusing them with someone else. I can't remember.

Malcolm9 · Oct 13, 2018

I think it's a great move, I would rather have Obsidian about than disappear. Hopefully MS will allow them the creative legs to make more cRPG's.

Arulan · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

But incidentally, that's what Obsidian does best (and better than anyone else right now, so it's not like we have a decent replacement).

Yeah, like suddenly having to be on a specific Windows version to play games, and having to hope that the store works, while missing out on tons of features of competing platforms, and then not being able to mod the games in "unapproved" ways. The advantages are numerous, really.

I couldn't agree with this more. I'd also add that there is an obsession here with AAA budgets, as if this will unlock their potential. What bullshit that is. The petty platform warring is not only embarrassing, but completely misses the point. An acquisition like this will change the design future of Obsidian, and the history of those isn't favorable at all.

Steverulez · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

The Kotaku article MS want to bolster their PC development, I dont personally see the Pillars style projects ending, they'll make stuff like that with a smaller team and also focus on something more traditional and AAA as well.

spool · Oct 13, 2018

I hope we get more Pillars and other games using the engine because they're some of the best games I've played in years, but I think Obsidian were done doing them anyway.

Who's going to finance the development of one when only the first game that got a lot of attention for reviving a genre was successful, and the two following games failed, despite being great?

Charamiwa · Oct 13, 2018

Arulan said:
I couldn't agree with this more. I'd also add that there is an obsession here with AAA budgets, as if this will unlock their potential. What bullshit that is. The petty platform warring is not only embarrassing, but completely misses the point. An acquisition like this will change the design future of Obsidian, and the history of those isn't favorable at all.

But again, Kotor, Fallout and South Park are 3 of their most beloved games, so it's not exactly unnatural for them to develop bigger games.

IIFloodyII · Oct 13, 2018

Pillars 3 probably as more chance of happening with Obsidian under MS, than independent/under a major 3rd party. Pillars 2 apparently sold poorly.

RoninChaos · Oct 13, 2018

I always got pillars and divinity mixed up. Own both but haven't had a chance to play them.

Why did divinity II do so well and Pillars II didn't?

Durante · Oct 13, 2018

IIFloodyII said:
Pillars 3 probably as more chance of happening with Obsidian under MS, than independent/under a major 3rd party. Pillars 2 apparently sold poorly.

Between the fig and the sales, I'm sure that it covered its own development expenses. Unlike Pillars 1 it probably can't prop up the rest of Obsidian though.
If they were an independent developer of a size suitable for doing something like Pillars (and only doing that) I don't think they'd have huge financial issues.

RoninChaos said:
Why did divinity II do so well and Pillars II didn't?

Timing, co-op, potential for systemic crazyness that translates well to streamer views (I don't think that can be underestimated), perhaps turn-based combat being more initially approachable than RtwP.

Deleted member 11093 · Oct 13, 2018

Arulan said:
I couldn't agree with this more. I'd also add that there is an obsession here with AAA budgets, as if this will unlock their potential. What bullshit that is. The petty platform warring is not only embarrassing, but completely misses the point. An acquisition like this will change the design future of Obsidian, and the history of those isn't favorable at all.

I don't really see Obsidian refusing to develop AAA (be it on the scale of South Park or KOTOR/Fallout NV) if given the chance.

RoninChaos · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
Between the fig and the sales, I'm sure that it covered its own development expenses. Unlike Pillars 1 it probably can't prop up the rest of Obsidian though.
If they were an independent developer of a size suitable for doing something like Pillars (and only doing that) I don't think they'd have huge financial issues.

Timing, co-op, potential for systemic crazyness that translates well to streamer views (I don't think that can be underestimated), perhaps turn-based combat being more initially approachable than RtwP.

What kind of craziness?

Also, apologies, not sure what RtwP means.

DSP · Oct 13, 2018

I haven't played Pillars 2 but Divinity games are just so much better product objectively, specially II compared with PoE1. The production values, the setting, the writing and of course the gameplay, everything is far better. So I like to think it's why it sold better because it's a much much better game.

Deleted member 8408 · Oct 13, 2018

RoninChaos said:
What kind of craziness?

Also, apologies, not sure what RtwP means.

Real Time with pause.

It's a combat system typically found in cRPG games.

Mr.Deadshot · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

But incidentally, that's what Obsidian does best (and better than anyone else right now, so it's not like we have a decent replacement).

That's the main problem here. But everybody who doesn't agree with "It's great that MS is buying all these studios!" is automatically a hater for some people around here and then the usual "everybody hates my Xbox and Microsoft"-whining begins anew.

I don't give two shits about Obsidian games on PlayStation. I care about Obsidian making more pc-centric niche/hardcore games like Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny, which are clearly not very console- and massmarket-friendly games. And like your said, I doubt that MS is interested in making these CRPGs. BUT I also said that it still could happen and then I am happy and couldn't care less about which publisher produced the game ... It's an ongoing problem here that many opinions on a MS/Sony/Nintendo-related topic is always spun into console-wars.

milad said:
I haven't played Pillars 2 but Divinity games are just so much better product objectively, specially II compared with PoE1. The production values, the setting, the writing and of course the gameplay, everything is far better. So I like to think it's why it sold better because it's a much much better game.

Hard disagree. It's the other way around IMHO - you could argue about the gameplay, but the games are very different in that regard. Didn't play Pillars 2 yet.

Durante · Oct 13, 2018

RoninChaos said:
What kind of craziness?

Also, apologies, not sure what RtwP means.

The whole concept of Divinity: OS1/2 battles is that you can do really crazy stuff. E.g. we had a battle in D:OS2 where the entire field was covered in oil, which then lit on fire, which was then cursed, then the curse spread around, then one part was purified and the purified flames chased the cursed flames around the entire battlefield and then the tide turned. That kind of thing. Combine that with coop and you have insane WoM marketing.

RtwP means "Real-time with Pause", which is the superior system for tactical party-based RPGs combining the advantages of turn-based systems (having unlimited time to make your decisions) with the speed and realism of action (and not having to wait for lots of turns to be carried out).

milad said:
The production values, the setting, the writing and of course the gameplay, everything is far better

Now you are just taking the piss. Even Larian themselves happily admit that the Divinity setting is an ad-hoc collection of stuff they thought would be cool at the time. The Pillars setting is amazingly well developed.
I also strongly disagree on the writing, and think they gameplay systems have different strengths and neither of them is far superior to the other, but those are more subjective.

Datajoy · Oct 13, 2018

Doesn't astroturfing mean a company or large entity pays people to artificially stan for the brand to make it look like the brand has grassroots support? But that doesn't really apply in cases when people actually are huge fans of a brand, since that is actually authentic grassroots support?

TheTruthofKayle · Oct 13, 2018

TechnicPuppet said:
Except for the fact we lost a great member, at least temporarily because of it, I hope they come back. Can't really afford to lose anyone who gives great contributions to the Xbox side, there's so few. Hopefully Theorry is ok or were all doomed, doomed I tell you.

Hope he will come back.
....at least here Xbox fans don't get banned just because....like bishop and others "mods"* was doing in that other place

*Fanboys

TheTruthofKayle · Oct 13, 2018

Durante said:
I hate that this thread is about stupid Sony/MS console infighting when the real problem is that MS surely isn't interested in funding PC-first core RtwP CRPGs that sell ~300k units at launch and 1 million lifetime.

But incidentally, that's what Obsidian does best (and better than anyone else right now, so it's not like we have a decent replacement).

Yeah, like suddenly having to be on a specific Windows version to play games, and having to hope that the store works, while missing out on tons of features of competing platforms, and then not being able to mod the games in "unapproved" ways. The advantages are numerous, really.

Probably they will go for a 1 million launch 4/5 millions lifetime?)
Ok ok...my take is that is good for obsidian to have someone who give them a chance to produce their full vision giving the money needed ....their games will end 100% on PC too ....but I know you will not touch the w10 store :(

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