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Alo0oy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,091
Bahrain
How so, because my understanding was that non-religious music/dancing/etc was not really something that was allowed in areas dominated by conservative religion in the region. This of course isn't going to be every area or every country, but it seems like something that would significantly reduce the available talent pool globally.

That's because your understanding is orientalist BS that is based on nothing but racist stereotypes. People still rudely blast loud music on their cars in the Middle East just like everywhere else in the world, and they sure as hell dance better than what white people call dancing. The most popular figures in the Middle East are Haifa Wehbe, Nancy Ajram, and Tamer Hosni, look up their music videos if you're serious about learning about the Middle East outside of police precincts or military bases.
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
That's because your understanding is orientalist BS that is based on nothing but racist stereotypes. People still rudely blast loud music on their cars in the Middle East just like everywhere else in the world, and they sure as hell dance better than what white people call dancing. The most popular figures in the Middle East are Haifa Wehbe, Nancy Ajram, and Tamer Hosni, look up their music videos if you're serious about learning about the Middle East outside of police precincts or military bases.
I'm not saying that modern/liberal places don't exist in the middle east! I'm saying that they aren't the only places that exist. And that my understanding of the conservative places in the region is that they're unlikely to be developing musical talent due to cultural norms, unlike say, the US, where our evangelical conservative religious types usually have tons of singing involved in the services.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,091
Bahrain
I'm not saying that modern/liberal places don't exist in the middle east! I'm saying that they aren't the only places that exist. And that my understanding of the conservative places in the region is that they're unlikely to be developing musical talent due to cultural norms, unlike say, the US, where our evangelical conservative religious types usually have tons of singing involved in the services.

Again, you're understanding is flawed, even the most hardcore conservative places like Saudi Arabia have music and music talent, it seems that you refuse to concede that people from the Middle East aren't some backwards hacks that don't know what fun is. This isn't about "liberal places have music I guess", even very religious people listen to music (not pop music, but different type of music), the Middle East was the cultural capital of the world for a thousand years, people don't just become uncultured swine overnight.
 

Eddie

Banned
Jun 3, 2018
1,367
So a guy that looks like this is in the movie ...

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And he's not playing Jafar :|
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
User Banned (1 Week): Reinforcing harmful stereotypes over a series of posts.
Again, you're understanding is flawed, even the most hardcore conservative places like Saudi Arabia have music and music talent, it seems that you refuse to concede that people from the Middle East aren't some backwards hacks that don't know what fun is. This isn't about "liberal places have music I guess", even very religious people listen to music (not pop music, but different type of music), the Middle East was the cultural capital of the world for a thousand years, people don't just become uncultured swine overnight.
It's not about a lack of music or a lack of innate talent, my understanding is that those religious people aren't going to be sending their kids to vocal lessons and enrolling them in a school musical. And that will have an effect on the numbers of stage performers who can sing that are available.
 

Ruruja

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,714
I mean I'm excited because it's my favourite Disney movie, but that trailer was terrible.
 

TheFireman

Banned
Dec 22, 2017
3,918
I don't think Will Smith is going to be good as the genie, and not showing the genie definitely doesn't help dispel that concern.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,091
Bahrain
It's not about a lack of music or a lack of innate talent, my understanding is that those religious people aren't going to be sending their kids to vocal lessons and enrolling them in a school musical. And that will have an effect on the numbers of stage performers who can sing that are available.

It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Let's put it in numbers, Arabs got talent gets 100 million viewers with every episode

The producers of the Arab version, MBC, claim that more than 100 million viewers watch each episode.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25263304

Yes, some people won't let their kids participate or sing or whatever, just like every place in the world, but the Middle East is not a black hole of musical talent, it's one of the most thriving music industries in the world, just go to Youtube and see that Arabic music videos regularly get 100m to 500m views, that's maybe higher per capita than most places in the world.
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
Are you reading my posts? The Middle East has one of the most thriving music industries in the world, it might be higher than America if you go per capita, Arabic music videos regularly get 100m to 500m views on Youtube, which is massive for non-English music. Conservative people exist in every part of the world and they aren't exclusive to the Middle East, but they certainly didn't stop Arab musicians from being extremely successful.
Musical Theater is a specific skillset that requires singing + acting and which people train specifically for. Just having music and/or acting doesn't cut it. (see: Emma Watson) A random singer or actor won't be able to pull it off because they'll lack the other half.
 

Maquiladora

Member
Nov 16, 2017
5,095
Guy Ritchie huh. Can't wait for the bodymount camera shots of Aladdin's gasping face as he runs through crowded street.
 

Disco

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,454
yeah that cave of wonders looks like some weak shit.

I hope they make Aladdin full on Ritchie-esque street thug tho.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,091
Bahrain
Musical Theater is a specific skillset that requires singing + acting and which people train specifically for. Just having music and/or acting doesn't cut it. (see: Emma Watson) A random singer or actor won't be able to pull it off because they'll lack the other half.

Alright you win. Arabs don't know how to sing, they suck, they're just religious nutjobs that refuse to let their children sing, all the popular singers in the Middle East are impostors from Sweden. Shows that breed talent like Star Academy, Arabs got talent, and Arab idol are fake news.
 

jobrro

The Fallen
Nov 19, 2017
1,626
Looks alright to me. Don't understand why they are pumping out so many live action versions of classics so quickly though, I would rather they feel like an event than one every year/every two years.

I find them interesting to watch at least once but I can't see myself re-watching them often when I can just watch the originals.
 

Remember

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,484
Chicago, IL United States
Looks alright to me. Don't understand why they are pumping out so many live action versions of classics so quickly though, I would rather they feel like an event than one every year/every two years.

I find them interesting to watch at least once but I can't see myself re-watching them often when I can just watch the originals.

They're making the DCU. These movies are on a planned release timeline and will all culminate in their own version of Infinity War, called Kingdom Hearts.
 

Protome

Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,701
I think i'm done with these Disney remakes after Beauty and the Beast. They haven't been bad just completely unnecessary and nowhere near as good as the animations. The Cave of Wonders looking like a goddamn Nickelodeon game show prop definitely isn't changing my mind so far.

I also keep forgetting Guy Ritchie is making this. It at least can't be as bad as King Arthur?
 

Scrooge McDuck

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,039
It's not about a lack of music or a lack of innate talent, my understanding is that those religious people aren't going to be sending their kids to vocal lessons and enrolling them in a school musical. And that will have an effect on the numbers of stage performers who can sing that are available.
You are either severely overestimating the pervasiveness of this sentiment or underestimating the size of Middle East and its people.
 

AndyVirus

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,856
Aladdin's my favourite Disney movie and I think this will be mediocre at best but I won't lie, hearing the music got me slightly excited.
 

Window

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,284
I'm honestly very excited. Aladdin's my favourite Disney film so I'm in it just for the songs alone, even if Ritchie/Disney make a mess of it otherwise.
 

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
You all know Robin Williams would've been cast a star the Genie for this remake if gen was still with us, don't you? He'll be sorely missed.

I hope this movie delivers because Beauty and the Beast 2017 sure as hell didn't.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,238
If they have the music im in, just lile BatB.
I want to hear that remixed ost on a theater.

The movie no doubt is going to be worst than the animated version, but I go to this movies to basically enjoy a new version of my favourite musical numbers.
Thats why im not giving a crap about the lion king. Taking out songs from the original soundtrack is a serious mistake.
 

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
You guys do know that had this movie been made not even 10 years ago it would've been starring white people in the two lead roles right?

I was going through the IMDB list of actors and by the 5th or so literal unknown actor with a middle eastern name that the thought dawned on me. There's no way Aladdin wouldn't have been cast for a white dude in 2009.

PS: I have no idea of the acting chops of the guy that's playing Aladdin but I'll be damned if he doesn't look the part to a T!!!
 

Kewlmyc

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
26,727
This is possibly my favorite animated movie ever, so I'm going to have a lot of nitpicks watching it. The Cave of Wonders not being animated whatsoever saddens me, but other than that, I got goosebumps.
 

UnknownSpirit

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,150
So much judgement from 20 seconds of footage.


I doubt it will be as bad as BATB (Even though Luke Evans as Gaston was the best part of it)


I wish they would of shown more. At Cinemacon last April, they showed the Genie, Jasmine, and some chase footage when he steals the bread. A lot of people came out pretty interested in the film from that footage alone.

But this is era, so most things are gonna be shit at first site.


I mean, I'm already gonna be in the theater for this.
 

Rand a. Thor

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
10,213
Greece
On one hand, that orchestrated Never Had a Friend like me gave me the chills, I am in love with the couple of seconds we heard in the trailer.

On the other hand, how do you fuck up the cave of wonders like that? And this isn't nostalgia fueled bitch right here. You don't just give us a sweeping Panorama of a gorgeous desert with Agrabah in the distance, only to give us a tiger face made of rocks in the side of a mountain. Jesus Christ, such a poor decision. Like that first shot was just perfect in instilling hope that this will be an excellent take on a beloved movie from my childhood, and then they just kill that excitement with a Shotgun like a rabid dog that needs to be put down. Ah well, as long as the music is as on point as the trailer suggests I'll give it a whirl.
 

lmx

Alt-Account
Banned
Aug 10, 2018
469
Man this is going to make so much fucking money.

That shot with Alladin in it looked super corny though, I'm still excited for it.
 

Rand a. Thor

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
10,213
Greece
As for the Guy Ritchie hate, yes King Arhtur was bad. But Aladdin is already a smooth talking quick fingers street Urchin, so a Guy Ritchie take on him is actually quite an exciting prospect. And I like how they inverted the colors with him wearing a red vest and purple hat compared to a purple vest with Red Fez, which was a bit to on the nose.