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You can bypass AC Odyssey XP Boost microtransactions with PC cheats
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Because your customers if they hack in unlocked functionality. Are hacking and editing code so they can use access your product. Which is pirating and illegal.
The trainer modifess the game so it gives more XP, it does not attempt to unlock Ubisoft's way of increasing XP. They do it themselves. The code governeming XP gain already exists in the game, thus modifying the amount of experience gained cannot be copyright infringement.
Using Ubisoft's specific way of doing so without their permission IS copyright infringement.
This would be like your customers modifying the program, not to unlock functionality, but directly adding in their own code that mimic what you have locked.
Companies don't use copyright to stop people from adding code to programs. They rely on contracts. Which is why companies have contract clauses dictating what can be modified or used. (Generally between companies that sell code commercially)
Something like PSO, Dark Souls or Monster Hunter = NO CHEATING. You interact with others online
Something strictly SP like AC or Dragon Age Origins or Witcher 3, who cares. Go wild. People who cheat in multiplayer games are scum though.
To your other one, online leaderboards I feel are hardly ever accurate anyway. The speedrunning method of verifying times on a dedicated website/community and shit is so much better if you're that serious.
Again, it's NOT unlocking functionality, it's achieving a similar result as Ubisoft's boosters (but again, NOT using them) using the cheat program's own code [NOT owned by Ubisoft].
Yeah I'm not going that route, but I appreciate the suggestion.
I just bought a uplay code on eBay from one of those AMD promos for $40. Basically I just changed my uplay password, gave the seller my account info, he added the game, and I changed the password and enabled two step.
I had barely any games on it so the risk was minimal. Worked like a champ.
Ok I've got you. I understand the legal differences here. Not sure I agree with the morality of achieving the same net result, though.
So, your basis for when it's OK to hack is whether there's MP integration, and not the ToS?
Good thing AC is adding MP integration back ;)
You seem to constantly forget I was talking about "open world RPGs" specifically, not RPGs in general.
1. Hacking the leaderboard to get on it, or indirectly causing myself to be on the leaderboard (like if I wanted to boost my XP in AC:O and there just happened to be an XP leaderboard)? Former = scummy & lame, latter = don't really care, and sounds like a bad leaderboard implimentation
2. Bad
3. Bad
Basically. I don't give a shit if someone decides to ruin their Witcher 3 playthrough by making everything a one hit kill. I care if they bring that stuff into my play session.
Well you just cleared that up. Open world RPG genre, most likely single character with no magic or limited magic like Witcher, ones that don't allow you to just do missions so maybe Spider-Man is out. I'm not sure if it makes you do side missions to get your exp up, though it does incorporate the minigame hacking into it's story, and introduces side activities in it's main story objectives.
Why would you care about situations 2 and 3? You have no knowledge of how they obtained said items. What distinguishes them from players who obtained them from legit methods, including having monetized?
i would say it's too early to say
here is a thought experiment: imagine that the progression is well-balanced in the first 80% of the game, but starts getting grindy in the last 20%. not even a week after the launch of this massive 50+ hours long game, would you expect the majority of players to have reached the grindy part of the game? if not, the methodology of trying to infer meaning by reading (a not necessarily representative sample of) anonymous internet comments is flawed
honestly i doubt i have gotten involved in such inane debates before.
i have, however, argued for the methodology of using completion percentages (as determined by trophies) as a method to settle controversial disputes in gaming in the past. while flawed in some ways, it is certainly a more reliable metric than "the general impression i get by monitoring a non-random selection of gaming discussion channels". i don't know if i'm allowed to link it, because it was on gaf, but i made a thread trying to compare trophy percentages between different games to determine whether an easy mode is really needed in souls games
This applies to Console Gaming, too. Just don't PURCHASE the game.
I dont understand. Why even bother? Unless this game is nothing like Origins, you could just put the game at a lower difficulty and destroy just about everyone lol.
Nope. Cus we got Call of Duty Black Ops 4 with their CP points stuff coming out. And Red Dead Redemption 2 will likely shit the bed ten ways to Sunday in a multitude of ways.
Honestly though, PC trainers are the best way to go if you feel the game is artificially grindy. You support the game, but not the DLC. If publishers started noticing revenue from these additions are negligible, theyll stop putting them in.
Economy games, like trading in Path of Exile (not possible I'm sure, but a example). Maybe even buying hacked or duped items could tag your account for being banned too. In Warframe people did something to get cheap platinum from some shady site and that caused DE to take action against accounts associated with the plat traded. https://youtu.be/UKhvoDapaH0?t=92
Whoever is saying there isn't a competitive multiplayer aspect of AC:O is not correct.
Competing for Photo Mode Likes is the real end-game.
If I don't have any knowledge of how they obtained the items, then yeah, I wouldn't care because I wouldn't know, obviously. You can't care about something you don't know about.
If the item is super OP or even just generally good, this would obviously negatively impact my game experience. Repercussion of having such an item is obvious in PvP. In co-op, if I got matched with similar levels to mine, and the someone makes the game insanely easy (i.e. one hits a boss), this also negatively impacts my play experience.
If it's a cosmetic item, then I care less, but still think they're kind of a shit head. I don't like this for the standard reasons people don't like perceived devaluing of items. People don't like people easily (and in this case, illegitimately) obtaining something they worked hard to get. That's human behavior 101.
You're getting more and more lost with each post. Spider-Man is RPG now? Looks like you're really confused.
Yeah..., why not? Doesn't it give you exp and level ups (level 50 cap), gear, abilities, skill trees, etc. to build your character just like Witcher, and AC:Origins/Odyssey?
And I wasn't confused, you just forgot to specify that you meant integral for your specific form of rpg, which I still doubt it's required but that doesn't matter.
Whew. So you think any game where you gain levels and possibly buy skills is an RPG? That would explain a lot.
I never expected to have to deal with someone this out of touch on a gaming forum, but here we are.
The quest don't suddenly get worse later on or start giving out less resources. So it's a pointless thought experiment.
How are trophies more accurate than people writing their thoughts as they play the game?
Considering this is Era, I don't blame them for believing I wasn't lol.
What's your point? Some do. Some have double xp items, some recent ones let you fast forward or skip battle altogether. Seems like you're nitpicking. I don't care whether it's an rpg or a jet ski racing game. Who cares?
Not nitpicking at all. Most RPGs in existence do not come with XP boost cheats.
I'm also fairly sure Odyssey also has XP increasing gear.
i have certainly seen people say in this thread that more non-story content is needed to meet level requirements towards the end. but, again, internet comments are not the most reliable metric
you say the quests don't give less resources later, and that may very well be true. but this is in and of itself not mutually exclusive with the game becoming more grindy later on. certainly, exp requirements to level up, and material requirements needed to upgrade equipment, will increase the farther you progress in the game. if quest payouts simultaneously remain unchanged, this obviously would make the game grindier
because everyone (or at least everyone who has their consoles connected online) is represented in that number. >50% of everyone playing the game is taken into account in the completion trophy number. but <1% of players will post about their experience online. as such, trophy percentages represents a much larger share of the player base than online comments
furthermore, the >50% of people that have their consoles connected online represent a much more representative cross-section of the game's player base than the small percentage of players that post on resetera. you can compare any revenue charts with what games inspire the most discussion here and easily conclude that resetera is not representative of the gaming audience at large, with certain types of games being very overrepresented here, and other types being very underrepresented
this should not be a difficult concept to grasp
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Every type of in-game point/currency acquisition affects the design of a game. Games are designed around day-one experience and expanded versions too. All optional points and DLC are considered for how they disrupt balance and progress.
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The second you connect to an online server you've undoubtedly accepted TOS. Hence why someone can be banned in Dark Souls even if they play SP, but online (as in, don't invade anyone or summon anyone, but you're still online). A ban simply means not able to connect to the online server, you can still play Dark Souls in SP, properly offline. So if you want to cheat in DS, do it offline. Heck, there's a pop up in the DS menu that warns people about cheating online. If you do something offline, get a reward and then connect online, I'd still say if that is detected, fair play on an online ban. If you're going to cheat/mod your game, do it offline, as in, permanent offline.
95% of gamers will agree and accept messing around with online, even leaderboards, is not cool. Doing what you want in offline SP? Yeah, if devs and pubs get really hostile over that good luck with PR. DRM which basically acts like some sort of virus on your PC is bad enough, but if corporations get all high and mighty over true SP cheats, well, maybe that is a case when I'd say yourself and others involved in monetization should probably be thinking about why you're obsessing over what you might be trying to do with SP?
I know it's going to come, but it's just a case of when someone, somewhere, begins to make arguments cheating in SP is piracy. I have no doubts at all whatsoever behind closed door conversations in some companies will already be complaining about SP cheats and verging on if not outright saying "This is piracy, what can we do about it? We want to sell cheats and these players (primarily on PC) are doing it for free.".
To me, it would be as ridiculous as saying "These content creators are creating 5~10 hour experiences for free for our RPG, we need to somehow stop them because we've got DLC to sell". Bethesda tried to deal with that somewhat, by going down the path of paid mods and trying to entice content creators not to work via donations, but charge for every use of their mod whilst giving Bethesda a cut. They're still not going to stop community mods/graphics overhauls and more being given away for free, or via optional donation. Not unless they fully remove modding from their games or make it a DRM affair. Such as, you must use our storefront, end of. Even then many skilled people find ways to mod games without official tools.
These may well be the lines some companies need to think about when it comes down to do we want to foster a diverse community/fan base and maybe even outwardly support creative/funny things our fans do? Or, do we act like the only thing that matters is cold hard cash and become incredibly insulated to the fact the gaming community does largely revolve on goodwill, image and not being a hostile, faceless corporate overlord 24/7. You spoke to me specifically about the value of retaining and growing a customer base, over just focussing on MTs, but it's also true some of that comes about from not only how subjectively good and well rated your products are, but how you interact and speak to the people that pay your bills and make your CEOs lots of money.
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I seem to be the rare case who played this game for 50 hours, likes the game and takes issue with the microtransaction.
If you don't want to run around in mix and match gear, you can upgrade your gear. The material cost for doing so is steep. But it's doable even though it feels like a constant struggle.
Now someone can say "You are not supposed to do that" but it kind of works out. The game gave me a prompt about upgrading my gear and how I should do it. It just feels bad. Of course the cash shop would have enabled me to do this without problem.
Around level 40 this becomes irrelevant though. It's like I went through the phase where they tried to sell me extra materials and wanted to make sure I leave on a good note.
If you don't want to run around in mix and match gear, you can upgrade your gear. The material cost for doing so is steep. But it's doable even though it feels like a constant struggle.
Now someone can say "You are not supposed to do that" but it kind of works out. The game gave me a prompt about upgrading my gear and how I should do it. It just feels bad. Of course the cash shop would have enabled me to do this without problem.
Around level 40 this becomes irrelevant though. It's like I went through the phase where they tried to sell me extra materials and wanted to make sure I leave on a good note.
The statement people are making is that they design the entire experience around making those purchases.
It's common single player game without that trainer. Do side questing, exploration and looting combined with sensible ship upgrading with piece of gear here and there. That way you will have no issues with materials, you will swim in them.
Trainers like this are for players who want to skip large segments of the games content.
Well, I might take back what I said about not feeling the microtransactions were too bad. I am pretty sure my main story mission just jumped from level 25 or 26 to level 31. So, I guess it's time to do some grinding. Feels like that is going to take a pretty significant amount of time.
I have no intrest in playing it? https://psnprofiles.com/ManThatYouFear go and enjoy the fact I've got a plat on every one.
Do not assume what I do and do not play, The argument is Creed games never had a game prior to the previous game and they seem to have implemented a grind only to incentivize you into buying the skip.
False claims with no proof.. the games them selves are the proof.
What does that have to do with anything? I didn't say you didn't play old AC games and no they haven't implemented a grind to incentivize you into buying. Even if you buy the booster, you still have to "grind". It doesn't let you skip it. They just implemented RPG mechanics and that's how many RPG games with level gating work.
Since you played old AC games, you should know XP boosters existed in them too. AC Syndicate had 75% xp boosters that expire. Was the grindy? No, and neither is AC Odyssey.
Did it improve the game?
I want to play Origins first but I wouldn't be opposed to a 1.5x or 2.0x multiplier if it made the game have better pacing.
Did it make the game too easy too fast?
Yeah it definitely did for me tbh
As for making it too easy, nah not really as you'll still come up against higher levelled foes
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The content/enemy scales with your level to a certain degree. At most, you will over-level content up to 2 levels only.
So no, it will not make the game too easy.
Neat! Will be on the lookout for one then.
You need to do extra stuff even if you have the boost. Also, if you play on Easy/Normal you will start to get way less experience from sidequests that you outlevel, so hypothetically it can work against you lol. The disparity is big enough where no matter what you're going to "grind" at some point as the game jumps about 5 levels or so up towards the end to finish the main quest (just as it did in Origins).