Dunkey Creed: Odyssey

BakedTanooki · Oct 10, 2018

The longer I play it, the more I'm getting annoyed by all the jank, the bad animations and the bad combat.
Would be much more fun if these aspects were much more polished.

There are hundreds of praised games were I can just say "ok, I can see why this is a good game and I understand why people like it. It's just not for me"

But i can't say this with Assassins Creed Odyssey. There is just too much wrong, even with basic stuff.

dimasok · Oct 10, 2018

Kafkaa said:
Dude you mad it seem like earlier in the thread that you didn't even have the game. Have you just suddenly put in more hours than the thread has been up?

No man, I am not mad at all. I shelled out for the game just like everyone else. I even bought the XP boost (shouldn't have) and I put a good 15 hours into it so far. I got it on release date, and I finished all of the previous AC games. Even with the XO boost, I resorted to using the trainer because the game felt overwhelmingly mundane despite the accelerated experience pack. I even got the Season Pass so I could support the developers.

I do know that a lot of work went into the game despite my complaints and disappointment and I don't mind shelling out some money so they could continue making games and be fairly compensated for their work.

With that being said, these are my impressions of the game but I will finish it nevertheless because at times it can be fun and the world can look wonderful (those waves! better than the ones in Origins!).

So no, I am not angry.

MrWindUpBird · Oct 10, 2018

dimasok said:
No man, I am not mad at all. I shelled out for the game just like everyone else. I even bought the XP boost (shouldn't have) and I put a good 15 hours into it so far. I got it on release date, and I finished all of the previous AC games. Even with the XO boost, I resorted to using the trainer because the game felt overwhelmingly mundane despite the accelerated experience pack. I even got the Season Pass so I could support the developers.

I do know that a lot of work went into the game despite my complaints and disappointment and I don't mind shelling out some money so they could continue making games and be fairly compensated for their work.

With that being said, these are my impressions of the game but I will finish it nevertheless because at times it can be fun and the world can look wonderful (those waves! better than the ones in Origins!).

So no, I am not angry.

What a typo. I meant "made", not mad.

Laughing Banana · Oct 10, 2018

Ichi said:
Lol okay.

No one out here saying, "need to finish Odyssey by next week" but sure, bring some mental gymnastics.

Some players have a deadline HAHAHA now I've heard it all just to defend this dunkey farce.

Ridiculous.

Hahaha I have many people explicitly saying in my group of friends that they are rushing through Odyssey before RDR2 arrives. It's not really an unusual thing.

cgatto · Oct 10, 2018

Dunkey has made negative videos about games I liked too (Octopath Traveler being the latest example for me) but I still find them entertaining and take them for what they are. Way too many people in here with vendettas.

In the words of the great Ilya Bryzagalov, "It's only game. Why you hef to be mad?"

scottbeowulf · Oct 10, 2018

I like what Dunkey does even if I sometimes disagree. He could rip on my favorite game of all time and I'd still laugh.

Snake Eater · Oct 10, 2018

BakedTanooki said:
The longer I play it, the more I'm getting annoyed by all the jank, the bad animations and the bad combat.
Would be much more fun if these aspects were much more polished.

There are hundreds of praised games were I can just say "ok, I can see why this is a good game and I understand why people like it. It's just not for me"

But i can't say this with Assassins Creed Odyssey. There is just too much wrong, even with basic stuff.

Origins got patched for months after release, it really is best to wait around 6 months before playing an AC game

BakedTanooki · Oct 10, 2018

Snake Eater said:
Origins got patched for months after release, it really is best to wait around 6 months before playing an AC game

Yeah, I heard Ubi is pretty good with the support/patches for their games. Thanks for the idea! Might just do that :)

Funkbrotherdee · Oct 10, 2018

Fuck Dunkey. Him and his merry band of youtube fuck boys can it a sack of donkey dicks. The laissez faire attitude to towards minorities and slurs concerning them is partly gaming is so toxic these days.
Can't tolerate any -isms.

Deleted member 1589 · Oct 10, 2018

Ichi said:
Then don't play a fucking RPG. You do realise what kind of game you're getting into, right? "It's so hard to find time..that's why I'm picking up this 30-hour game and complain there's 5 more hours of additional quests". Do you even hear what you're saying? You're complaining that a game that takes dozens of hours to complete is gonna be a long game.

...no?

It's balance. There's plenty of games that lets you finish it at a good amount of time while if you prefer, spend more of those hours playing more subquests.

I won't be surprised that rather than Ubisoft removing the XP boost (which isn't really a problem to me) they will alter either the level gating or boosting XP gained from the main quest.

DSP · Oct 10, 2018

He's right about their "technology". 11 years of AC, this many games, they shouldn't be this janky still. If it was any other game it would be unforgivable, with AC people seemingly got used to how the games behave at this point and they don't see it as an issue anymore. A From Software action game wouldn't clip and glitch like that, similar for MGSV and many other games. AC just get a pass because at this point no one expects them to not feel janky, it's part of the brand now.

Funkbrotherdee · Oct 10, 2018

milad said:
He's right about their "technology". 11 years of AC, this many games, they shouldn't be this janky still. If it was any other game it would be unforgivable, with AC people seemingly got used to how the games behave at this point and they don't see it as an issue anymore. A From Software action game wouldn't clip and glitch like that, similar for MGSV and many other games. AC just get a pass because at this point no one expects them to not feel janky, it's part of the brand now.

Is he? What does he know of game development? What if I told you I get glitches in other games like GTA 5 and even *gasp*, Dark souls?
Play an eastern european game if you want true jank. These games are highly polished and will only become more so as they're updated. Clipping and glitches will unfortunately remain in games for the foreseeable future.

dimasok · Oct 10, 2018

milad said:
He's right about their "technology". 11 years of AC, this many games, they shouldn't be this janky still. If it was any other game it would be unforgivable, with AC people seemingly got used to how the games behave at this point and they don't see it as an issue anymore. A From Software action game wouldn't clip and glitch like that, similar for MGSV and many other games. AC just get a pass because at this point no one expects them to not feel janky, it's part of the brand now.

DSP · Oct 10, 2018

he doesn't need to know about game development, he's explaining his experience with the game as a player which most people playing AC can relate. That's all he needs to understand as an end user, he doesn't need to understand that making games is hard. That's not user's problem, compared with similar product, AC is visibly worse in this regard.

Other games have glitches too but not to the extent that AC does which continuously feels glitchy in every single entry. It's not an occasional thing. Their new hitbox based combat is just clipping every other action, it never looks good because visually objects don't collide convincingly or feels floaty overall.

Notaskwid · Oct 10, 2018

OP is banned, must be a good thread.

Raiden · Oct 10, 2018

I think alot of people that are not enjoying the game expect to play an action adventure game, but its not that anymore. Its more like The Witcher 3 than original AC.

A goty with the jankiest combat around.

packy17 · Oct 10, 2018

Flutter said:
Don't think it's a false narrative.

It could be that for some reviewers, the minimum level to proceed the game's story is too high for them to finish while keeping to their deadline.

Dunkey is not a reviewer with a deadline.

Deleted member 32679 · Oct 10, 2018

I love Dunkey videos and aren't his Dunkviews mostly serious reviews?

Deleted member 1589 · Oct 10, 2018

packy17 said:
Dunkey is not a reviewer with a deadline.

It's not an excuse, or defending dunkey, rather defending reviewers who have raised the issue.

Also of course he has some sort of a deadline. There's a difference in releasing a review or feature video on a AAA game a week or a month to get those views.

melikefishnchips · Oct 10, 2018

milad said:
He's right about their "technology". 11 years of AC, this many games, they shouldn't be this janky still. If it was any other game it would be unforgivable, with AC people seemingly got used to how the games behave at this point and they don't see it as an issue anymore. A From Software action game wouldn't clip and glitch like that, similar for MGSV and many other games. AC just get a pass because at this point no one expects them to not feel janky, it's part of the brand now.

While "janky" might be a stretch, most annualized sports games suffer from this same problem and though I'm no game developer, on the surface they seem far less demanding in regards to development and technical scope than something like ass creed

Crossing Eden · Oct 10, 2018

Clusterdreams said:
It's not "isn't as fine tuned". MGSV absolutely blows anything assassins creed does with it's formula out of the water. Having opposing random AI interactions doesn't t even begin to bridge that gap.

MGSV presents itself as a sandbox but the sandbox itself exists solely around the player, it feels artificial much more so when you do the exact same missions over and over driving or flying through the same really empty open world map.

Viceratops said:
Perfect video to sum up Odyssey. A game of annoyances and walls between you and the fun. Probably the most overrated game so far this year.

"I haven't played it but this game is overrated."

milad said:
He's right about their "technology".

The only reason one person would say this is if they knew fuck all about game tech in general let alone the metric fuckton of changes Ubisoft has made to their AI systems.

milad said:
he doesn't need to know about game development

If you're gonna talk about game technology, then you should know something about game development, otherwise you sound transparently uninformed and it's honestly hella cringeworthy. Like trying to watch a guy talk about food without knowing how to cook.

Which is pretty common among gamers.

You know what's funny is that despite the massive increase in scale, Origins and Odyssey are more polished than the other AC games. The fact that they upped the complexity by such a large margin while having the games perform better on average is an impressive feat in and of itself. Shame that it's so easy to just, misrepresent that entirely via a youtube video compilation. Which sucks because I'd LOVE to have better discussions about video game tech.

Crossing Eden · Oct 10, 2018

Azerare · Oct 11, 2018

I'm confused why some people are having issues with the points in the video. They seem like valid criticisms on the games state of play. He is definitely right that at least the game world is beautiful.

Decarb · Oct 11, 2018

Hilarious video, more hilarious reactions.

Viceratops said:
Actually, guy, I have over 20 hours and am level 27, with 4 chapters completed. But you go ahead and keep hoping that only people who haven't played are the ones criticizing it.

After looking through your post history, I have to ask, do you work for Ubisoft or something? You are incredibly invested in attacking anyone and any argument that undermines the newest Assassin Creed.

This has been his shtick in all these threads, accusing people of not playing the game and condescendingly calling them blind haters. Its frankly embarrassing at this point.

Viceratops · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
"I haven't played it but this game is overrated."

Actually, guy, I have over 20 hours and am level 27, with 4 chapters completed. But you go ahead and keep hoping that only people who haven't played are the ones criticizing it.

After looking through your post history, I have to ask, do you work for Ubisoft or something? You are incredibly invested in attacking anyone and any argument that undermines the newest Assassin Creed.

Staf · Oct 11, 2018

I love Dunkey and i find this hilarious. Also really really love Odyssey, but it isn't flawless.

banter · Oct 11, 2018

Astartes said:
I love Dunkey videos and aren't his Dunkviews mostly serious reviews?

Decarb said:
Hilarious video, more hilarious reactions.

:) Indeed. It's interesting how personally people take criticisms of other people's work though.

Crossing Eden · Oct 11, 2018

Viceratops said:
Actually, guy, I have over 20 hours and am level 27, with 4 chapters completed. But you go ahead and keep hoping that only people who haven't played are the ones criticizing it.

Frankly, just because you disagree with general consensus doesn't mean something is "overrated" by everyone else. That's always a very poor line of argumentation. Actually that's my bad as for once your pst history leads one to believe you. You'll notice a common thing in these threads is that a lot of the vitriol comes from people who later directly state or imply, "I haven't played it." This thread is one such example considering the long rants about how the game sucks in it.

Viceratops said:
fter looking through your post history, I have to ask, do you work for Ubisoft or something?

Grow up. Seriously I am so done with the astroturfing accurations. Fuck sake.

AHA-Lambda · Oct 11, 2018

"You've seen everything after 10 hours and it last another 30"

Hmm, sums up my experience with Origins quite well actually

big bas · Oct 11, 2018

Haha yeah I hate this game too guys... haha.. totally

MillionIII · Oct 11, 2018

Funny as always.
I just came to think of it, I don't remember Ubisoft ever winning a goty award

Crossing Eden · Oct 11, 2018

MillionIII said:
Funny as always.
I just came to think of it, I don't remember Ubisoft ever winning a goty award

Assassin's Creed Origins won several last year.

Far Cry 4 won a sizable amount the year it released.

Ubisoft very consistently releases award winning/nominated commercially successful games. Reading this forum you'd think otherwise, especially with how flabbergasted a sizeable portion of this forum is whenever they post their financial resuls.

Viceratops · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Frankly, just because you disagree with general consensus doesn't mean something is "overrated" by everyone else. That's always a very poor line of argumentation. Actually that's my bad as for once your pst history leads one to believe you. You'll notice a common thing in these threads is that a lot of the vitriol comes from people who later directly state or imply, "I haven't played it." This thread is one such example considering the long rants about how the game sucks in it.

Grow up. Seriously I am so done with the astroturfing accurations. Fuck sake.

Lol sorry about that.

On topic, I never criticize games as in depth as I have AC Odyssey. That's because I have played all the mainline ones (except Rogue), even Liberation, and I haven't hated one as much as this. Perhaps my thoughts were explained poorly, but to flesh them out, what I mean is that I think this game is getting credit from people who don't play them yearly like I do. I have platinum trophies for 3, 4 (PS3&4 version), Unity, and Origins. It became very obvious to me after playing Origins that even though the game still had the exact same animation problems, bugs, glitchy/inconsistent gameplay, and bad storytelling, and was somehow rated higher, it's because it added characteristics of games that get rated highly for their addictive checkboxes. And Odyssey is the same but even worse.

Deleted member 32679 · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Assassin's Creed Origins won several last year.

Far Cry 4 won a sizable amount the year it released.

Ubisoft very consistently releases award winning/nominated commercially successful games. Reading this forum you'd think otherwise, especially with how flabbergasted a sizeable portion of this forum is whenever they post their financial resuls.

Origins I get but Far Cry 4?

Pryme · Oct 11, 2018

This is why its laughable when people say the solution to AAA game dev costs is to cut down on budget and return to days of AA production.

When the final product comes out, you'll see people take a microscope to scrutinize every texture, every animation and triumphantly highlight every flaw.

Critique is good, but sometimes we take nitpicking to extreme levels. And that's not always healthy for the industry.

MillionIII · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Assassin's Creed Origins won several last year.

Far Cry 4 won a sizable amount the year it released.

Ubisoft very consistently releases award winning/nominated commercially successful games. Reading this forum you'd think otherwise, especially with how flabbergasted a sizeable portion of this forum is whenever they post their financial resuls.

I was thinking more in line of "the goty", like the games on the sidebar of that site

Crossing Eden · Oct 11, 2018

Viceratops said:
Lol sorry about that.

On topic, I never criticize games as in depth as I have AC Odyssey. That's because I have played all the mainline ones (except Rogue), even Liberation, and I haven't hated one as much as this. Perhaps my thoughts were explained poorly, but to flesh them out, what I mean is that I think this game is getting credit from people who don't play them yearly like I do. I have platinum trophies for 3, 4 (PS3&4 version), Unity, and Origins. It became very obvious to me after playing Origins that even though the game still had the exact same animation problems, bugs, glitchy/inconsistent gameplay, and bad storytelling, and was somehow rated higher, it's because it added characteristics of games that get rated highly for their addictive checkboxes. And Odyssey is the same but even worse.

Ever considered that that design just doesn't appeal to you and isn't inherently bad in the way it's used in the game? There are a lot of new AC fans thanks to change in direction but at the same time, a lot of classic fans who've been with the series are chiming in too. From a design standpoint I would genuinely argue that it's one of the most cohesive games in the series while simultaneously having the most freedom even if it needs to essentially change some of the lore conventions in order to do so. Regarding animation I don't think many people really take into account how stupidly big the newer games are compared to earlier entries, or how responsive it feels to play rather than how pretty it looks. Like, getting off a few melee attacks, getting a perfect dodge before switching to an arrow to land a devastating shot feels so goddamn good even if it doesn't make for a pretty gif. As always story quality is subjective.

MillionIII said:
I was thinking more in line of "the goty", like the games on the sidebar of that site

As in overall GOTY? There's only 1 per year. Inevitably something or another is gonna win more awards than everything else.

Altera · Oct 11, 2018

Oh my god, his voice is so annoying. This is the first and last video of his I watch.

Regardless, I've been playing the game for awhile and have yet to feel like the game "grinds to a halt" because I need to level grind.

TheSubsequentStrajack · Oct 11, 2018

Waddle Dee said:
Seriously, why are threads about Dunkey allowed on this site when he's a toxic person who's said the F-G word and N-word (hard R) and has never apologized for it?

What makes him different than some one like Pewdipie?

It's okay because dunkey is black

Hey Please · Oct 11, 2018

TheSubsequentStrajack said:
It's okay because dunkey is black

He is white.

Viceratops · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
Ever considered that that design just doesn't appeal to you and isn't inherently bad in the way it's used in the game? There are a lot of new AC fans thanks to change in direction but at the same time, a lot of classic fans who've been with the series are chiming in too. From a design standpoint I would genuinely argue that it's one of the most cohesive games in the series while simultaneously having the most freedom even if it needs to essentially change some of the lore conventions in order to do so. Regarding animation I don't think many people really take into account how stupidly big the newer games are compared to earlier entries, or how responsive it feels to play rather than how pretty it looks. Like, getting off a few melee attacks, getting a perfect dodge before switching to an arrow to land a devastating shot feels so goddamn good even if it doesn't make for a pretty gif. As always story quality is subjective.

See, I would argue that Odyssey has almost no freedom. It still demands that you go through a pretty rigorous wall of upgrades and unlocks and gear before you can access the fun. I'm used to being able to assassinate everyone and doing it unseen as long as I'm skilled enough to not get caught. This game doesn't let you stealth unless you are high enough level, have the right skills, and have the right gear/engravings. There's always someone who will survive. It's so antithetical to being an "Assassin." Its more like, jump down and take a third of someone's health, then fight 7 people, and then collect the items you need so you can complete the location and gain a minuscule amount of progress. There's no agency in that. I've never seen a game as prominent as this one that is so at odds with itself.

And I don't think it's my tastes. I like Dragon Age, and Fallout, and even Mass Effect Andromeda to an extent, which all have very similar design to this game.

Crossing Eden · Oct 11, 2018

Viceratops said:
See, I would argue that Odyssey has almost no freedom. It still demands that you go through a pretty rigorous wall of upgrades and unlocks and gear before you can access the fun. I'm used to being able to assassinate everyone and doing it unseen as long as I'm skilled enough to not get caught. This game doesn't let you stealth unless you are high enough level, have the right skills, and have the right gear/engravings. There's always someone who will survive. It's so antithetical to being an "Assassin." Its more like, jump down and take a third of someone's health, then fight 7 people, and then collect the items you need so you can complete the location and gain a minuscule amount of progress. There's no agency in that. I've never seen a game as prominent as this one that is so at odds with itself.

And I don't think it's my tastes. I like Dragon Age, and Fallout, and even Mass Effect Andromeda to an extent, which all have very similar design to this game.

Freedom is hard to define in an RPG. Many RPGs have different ideas of what freedom is supposed to mean for the player. A game like fallout new vegas for instance is programmed to acknowledge a metric fuckton if variables for any given quest. Meanwhile a game like Odyssey's idea of freedom is the super open level design, lack of linear quests, and emphasis on he player choosing between different finely tuned builds that have a major effect on the move set they have. And because of that as you level up the game becomes more over the top until you're basically unstoppable.

TheBeardedOne · Oct 11, 2018

I'm not noticing a lot of jank or glitches and I'm 20 hours into it. Dunkey seems to like to try to break games though.

The video wasn't his best, but the MGS2 line was funny. Origins and Odyssey >>>>>> Metal Gear Solid 5 though.

Mesoian · Oct 11, 2018

I experienced every single bug highlighted in this video.

Like him or hate him, Dunkey is 100% right on this one.

DrDeckard · Oct 11, 2018

This is a good video.

MillionIII · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
As in overall GOTY? There's only 1 per year. Inevitably something or another is gonna win more awards than everything else.

Yes it's just weird that with the amount of games that they make nothing really seem to catch critics praise. I would argue that the last really amazing Ubisoft game was fc3, idk why it lost to twd, it's a much better game.

Mesoian · Oct 11, 2018

MillionIII said:
Yes it's just weird that with the amount of games that they make nothing really seem to catch critics praise. I would argue that the last really amazing Ubisoft game was fc3, idk why it lost to twd, it's a much better game.

Emotional drive counts for a lot in a medium nearly completely devoid of emotion.

I don't remember the back half of FC3. I will never forget the final chapter of TWD1

PopsMaellard · Oct 11, 2018

Edit: off topic.

Putty · Oct 11, 2018

Fantastic game. I didnt read reviews, i looked at the scores and given how much i loved Origins this was an easy pick up. Have not been disappointed one bit. The are faults with every game to an extent but if the bigger picture renders them as insignificant then all good.

Clay · Oct 11, 2018

Crossing Eden said:
If you're gonna talk about game technology, then you should know something about game development, otherwise you sound transparently uninformed and it's honestly hella cringeworthy. Like trying to watch a guy talk about food without knowing how to cook.

I actually see that a lot with food. People who can barely fry an egg will try to tell me they think something tastes good or bad and I'll have to tell them "Hello, stupid dumb-dumb cringe person, how can you tell me your thoughts on something when you can't even explain to me how it was created?"

And don't get me started on cars. I'll hear people say stuff like "Mini Coopers are fun to drive" or "It's hard to park big trucks." Why they think they can just throw those kinds of criticisms out there when they can't even explain the thermodynamic processes that power an engine is beyond me.

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