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Is Motion Interpolation a thing for you in console gaming?
- Thread starter Elysiums
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Interpolation has always looked unnatural to me. It doesn't feel right because the extra frames are fake and don't represent actual updates within the engine. It also reduces image quality because your TV is basically filling in the gaps with blurry frames. Real 60+ FPS is way better.
I don't think OP is saying this is better than a real FPS boost. I don't think anyone would. But they do prefer a game's animations and effects to look smoother, even at the cost of some image quality and input lag. I don't personally buy into that view, but it's sort of akin to preferring a lower resolution/lower settings and a higher framerate. Not a one-to-one comparison, but I think you see my point.
I read LG on OLED have the best when it comes to this, I hated the effect on movies though but it might look good on games.
My TV has a "Auto Motion Plus" setting, which includes Judder Reduction and LED Clear Motion, but I never use it. For me, minimizing input lag is far more important than picture quality or perception of a smoother framerate. In game mode (which disables Auto Motion Plus), my TV gets between 19 and 21ms input lag. Outside game mode, it's 80 to 98ms. I would much rather have the 4 to 5 times better input lag in my games than sacrifice it for relatively minor picture quality improvements.
I just dont see why id want it to look like pseudo 120fps regardless. the whole point of higher fps is responsive visual feedback. which isnt happening.
Sort of. The whole point of reducing settings to achieve a higher framerate is to make your inputs more responsive. Interpolation does the exact opposite of that.
Generally higher framerate also causes lower input lag as well.
Lucasarts had a team doing some research on this a few years back
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-force-unleashed-60fps-tech-article
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-frame-rate-upscaler-tech-interview
This Rendering engineer said that the solution they had put together actually reduced input latency slightly vs a straight 30fps system.
You can see how these recontruction technique's have evolved and beomce commonplace, but as usual the tech is all being geared up to improve the graphics rather than the experience.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-force-unleashed-60fps-tech-article
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-frame-rate-upscaler-tech-interview
This Rendering engineer said that the solution they had put together actually reduced input latency slightly vs a straight 30fps system.
You can see how these recontruction technique's have evolved and beomce commonplace, but as usual the tech is all being geared up to improve the graphics rather than the experience.
I have yet to see it work well. I tried it once or twice, one example being RE4 on PS3... The scenes with the rain especially exhibit some awful artifacting from it.
It's really designed for sitcoms and sports, where the cameras are a lot less dynamic.
Not completely true, those techniques are being used in VR for exactly that.
It's really designed for sitcoms and sports, where the cameras are a lot less dynamic.
Not completely true, those techniques are being used in VR for exactly that.
You mean if motion interpolation looks like 120hz native? Not even close
I don't use it often due to latency but certain games can benefit. Octopath Traveler looks great with it and doesn't require super responsive controls so it's fine.
What I do like is how enabling motion interpolation on 60fps content basically interpolates up to 120. So side scrolling games look insanely smooth. The lag, though, hurts it (on the C8 it goes from 21ms to 100ms)
What I do like is how enabling motion interpolation on 60fps content basically interpolates up to 120. So side scrolling games look insanely smooth. The lag, though, hurts it (on the C8 it goes from 21ms to 100ms)
The LG C8 can interpolate 60fps content up to 120fps. It's extremely obvious. 30fps content only interpolates to 60, of course.
That video shows the same random jittery effect I see when using interpolation with the TVs I have.
That I did not know, interesting. Do you have to be outputting at 1080p to get 120fps?
The theoretical lowest a 30fps game can be is 100ms
Add another 15or so if you have a good TV
A little more if you are using a wireless pad.
I tried it once in Assassin's Creed: Black Flag. Looked nice, but input lag was far too high to be playable.
There's not much input lag in my x800e, but it just seems to work on certain conditions. When moving the camera very fast or when fighting enemies, say in Odyssey, it's just a mess, sometimes feels smooth sometimes sluggerish as hell. That, and the bad framepacing is just nope.
Nope. It can interpolate to 120 from any source. You can also playback 4K120 content from USB.
Alas, if you want to input at 120 (from a PC or Xbox), you're limited to 1080p120 due to HDMI limitations.
Now this is someone that knows what he's talking about :) I have a LG B6 though should probably upgrade to C8, is it huge of an improvement when it comes to HDR/4k and new features?
The flagship Samsung TVs will run motion plus at in game mode with a total of 24ms latency, that's pretty impressive.
Makes you wonder if they could build in some custom silicon into a graphics card to achieve an even better post render result in a console.
Makes you wonder if they could build in some custom silicon into a graphics card to achieve an even better post render result in a console.
Not at all for me. There is no motion interpolation without artifacts and input lag goes up like hell.
Yes!
Much brighter HDR game mode, brighter overall picture, black frame insertion for cleaner scrolling, greatly improved scaling for 1080p content, 1080p120 support and a faster interface.
It's probably better to wait for next year's models, as they will very likely have HDMI 2.1.
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Now I want a C8.
I hope this tech gets improved in the future.. if they manage to eliminate the artifacts and keep the imput lag under 30 this could do wonders for the industry. Games could be only 30 fps and the Tv will make them 100% smooth.
I have a hard time playing at 30 fps coming from a gaming pc at 120 hz / 120 fps.
I'll admit that depending on what's on screen it can work very well in a few instances and the lag isn't even ridiculously high on my set. Granted, you're not going to break any record in geometry wars. Or even survive for more than 3 seconds, but some games remain somewhat playable.
But, I mean you could probably get used to playing with boxing gloves on if you tried hard enough, it just wouldnt be much fun.
Also as soon as it is required to handle something that's not linear motion (X, Y, Z) it produces distracting and annoying artifacts.
I was thinking maybe some kind of motion interpolation could be used selectively (at console level, not TV though) in 60fps games that render certain things at 30fps (rear view mirrors in racing games, or characters far from the camera like those in Halo 5 I think it was).
But, I mean you could probably get used to playing with boxing gloves on if you tried hard enough, it just wouldnt be much fun.
Also as soon as it is required to handle something that's not linear motion (X, Y, Z) it produces distracting and annoying artifacts.
I was thinking maybe some kind of motion interpolation could be used selectively (at console level, not TV though) in 60fps games that render certain things at 30fps (rear view mirrors in racing games, or characters far from the camera like those in Halo 5 I think it was).
As a 60fps fan, I'd totally use it if there was no extra lag added. I went to a friend's house and was playing Sonic Mania with him on PS4 and I could barely play due to the lag. He didn't notice any! Turned out he didn't have game mode set on his TV. He noticed a difference straight away after we changed it though. There's no way I could put up with introducing that much lag just to get fake 60fps.
Depends on the TV and strength of motion interpolation. There TVs that pretty bad with stutter, depending on the frame hold time, and especially slow panning can really look bad with noticeable stutter. If you have such a bad TV in that regard, which isn't uncommon, motion interpolation (with no extreme settings) can help a lot.
It's awful IMO, the extra input lag is crazy and it can make some games unplayable.
I remember playing DKC:TF on my Switch at a friend's house, with the motion interpolation enabled and I was really really annoyed at how the game felt worse than in my TV (that is not especially good with input lag). Even in games that don't require precise inputs, I'm sure that the extra lag will annoy me during long sessions.
I remember playing DKC:TF on my Switch at a friend's house, with the motion interpolation enabled and I was really really annoyed at how the game felt worse than in my TV (that is not especially good with input lag). Even in games that don't require precise inputs, I'm sure that the extra lag will annoy me during long sessions.
