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Oct 27, 2017
2,493
Henderson, NV
As someone who was once homeless...

I never actually needed food. It was relatively easy to get cheap or free meals. And when it wasn't, a hour of panhandling would get you enough for a cheeseburger.

I needed money. It wasn't for drugs or alcohol most of the time - although I definitely bought (and sold) both while homeless. It was for everything else. It was for public transportation fares to get around the city - because the best places to sleep, the places to get a hot meal, the places to get a shower, do laundry, panhandle, and... try to get out of being homeless... are often nowhere near each other. It was for washing/drying clothes at some ghetto laundromat at 3 am. It was for trying to get enough together to spend a night in a hotel. It was for buying little things like toothpaste, deodorant, shampoo just to wash your hair/brush your teeth in some truck stop bathroom so you'd still feel human. It was for phone calls to old friends and family begging for a place to stay.

Plus it's not like people who aren't homeless don't blow money on drugs and alcohol to drown out their shitty lives. And I guarantee whatever crap you think you're struggling with that needs to be dulled down with a couple beers or a few bong hits is infinitely less shitty than truly being homeless.

So... yeah...

"Fuck you" is a rather appropriate response to the bullshit that people like you would constantly just assume every cent you get as a homeless person is spent on drugs and shit. You aren't offering food because you want to help - you are doing so to feel less guilty, while still judging the fuck out of someone less fortunate than you. If you don't actually give a shit, that's fine. Just ghost homeless people like +90% of everyone else does. That's honestly less insulting than what you are doing.
Also this. Thank you for posting this. As someone who was also homeless for a time, you couldn't be more right.
 

Conkerkid11

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Oct 25, 2017
13,947
Most of the homeless I run into in Portland ask for cigarettes. Fuck that.

Also, I don't ever carry any cash or change on me.

As someone who was once homeless...

I never actually needed food. It was relatively easy to get cheap or free meals. And when it wasn't, a hour of panhandling would get you enough for a cheeseburger.

I needed money. It wasn't for drugs or alcohol most of the time - although I definitely bought (and sold) both while homeless. It was for everything else. It was for public transportation fares to get around the city - because the best places to sleep, the places to get a hot meal, the places to get a shower, do laundry, panhandle, and... try to get out of being homeless... are often nowhere near each other. It was for washing/drying clothes at some ghetto laundromat at 3 am. It was for trying to get enough together to spend a night in a hotel. It was for buying little things like toothpaste, deodorant, shampoo just to wash your hair/brush your teeth in some truck stop bathroom so you'd still feel human. It was for phone calls to old friends and family begging for a place to stay.

Plus it's not like people who aren't homeless don't blow money on drugs and alcohol to drown out their shitty lives. And I guarantee whatever crap you think you're struggling with that needs to be dulled down with a couple beers or a few bong hits is infinitely less shitty than truly being homeless.

So... yeah...

"Fuck you" is a rather appropriate response to the bullshit that people like you would constantly just assume every cent you get as a homeless person is spent on drugs and shit. You aren't offering food because you want to help - you are doing so to feel less guilty, while still judging the fuck out of someone less fortunate than you. If you don't actually give a shit, that's fine. Just ghost homeless people like +90% of everyone else does. That's honestly less insulting than what you are doing.
But what eventually happened that caused you to no longer be homeless, if you don't mind me asking?

Also, it's fucked up to suggest that ignoring someone or not offering anything at all is better than offering them food. Like, how can you say that sometimes the money was for drugs or alcohol, and at the same time telling people to fuck off for assuming you would spend the money they gave you on drugs or alcohol?

You could ban like a third of the poeople in this thread and nothing of value would be lost.

Just saying.
Nice contribution.
 
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VeryHighlander

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May 9, 2018
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This whole 'only buy them food, if not fuck them' is awful. It's like the only thing humans need is food. Hell, sometimes even giving a bag of goods like toiletries, clothes, blankets, food, etc is harder on them because now they have to pack that shit back to a safe place to sleep and protect it from other people. Money is lightweight and can be used anywhere...if they buy drugs oh well they'll likely also buy other stuff they need. If everyone only gave food they'd have to eat what they could before it spoiled or carry a huge amount of weight everywhere. It doesn't make sense.
Come on. Your post makes it seem handing a person in need anything but money makes me an asshole. On what planet is giving a homeless person a bag of toiletries making their life harder? If I gave a homeless person money it's because I want them to feel secure, but if I gave a homeless person a roll of toilet paper I'm apparently fucking them? I've lived in Santa Monica and there's beautiful people who I've met at the worst point in their lives and the things they missed most was SHAVING and brushing their teeth. Yes some of them prefer cold hard cash. But you paint an incorrect picture with your post. You are not making anyone's life harder by trying to help them. Help in anyway you can.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,018
This whole 'only buy them food, if not fuck them' is awful. It's like the only thing humans need is food. Hell, sometimes even giving a bag of goods like toiletries, clothes, blankets, food, etc is harder on them because now they have to pack that shit back to a safe place to sleep and protect it from other people. Money is lightweight and can be used anywhere...if they buy drugs oh well they'll likely also buy other stuff they need. If everyone only gave food they'd have to eat what they could before it spoiled or carry a huge amount of weight everywhere. It doesn't make sense.

You could ban like a third of the people in this thread and nothing of value would be lost.

Just saying.
 
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Come on. Your post makes it seem handing a person in need anything but money makes me an asshole. On what planet is giving a homeless person a bag of toiletries making their life harder? If I gave a homeless person money it's because I want them to feel secure, but if I gave a homeless person a roll of toilet paper I'm apparently fucking them? I've lived in Santa Monica and there's beautiful people who I've met at the worst point in their lives and the things they missed most was SHAVING and brushing their teeth. Yes some of them prefer cold hard cash. But you paint an incorrect picture with your post. You are not making anyone's life harder by trying to help them. Help in anyway you can.
No, you are being an asshole if they ask for something and you tell them "no that's not what you need, what you actually need is (inset thing I feel comfortable giving you)." At that point you might as well not bother because you've made the entire exchange about yourself and not the needs of the other person. They are human beings, they can communicate their needs to you. They don't need you to condescend or patronize them.
 
Aug 17, 2018
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No, you are being an asshole if they ask for something and you tell them "no that's not what you need, what you actually need is (inset thing I feel comfortable giving you)." At that point you might as well not bother because you've made the entire exchange about yourself and not the needs of the other person. They are human beings, they can communicate their needs to you. They don't need you to condescend or patronize them.
That assumes you want the donater to be someone who doesn't care what a homeless person does with his cash.
 

joecanada

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Oct 28, 2017
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I too enjoy enabling people's heroin addiction.


I've been yelled and cursed at for offering food and water, so now I just leave my headphones on and don't bother.
You can easily give to a verified charity and get tax receipts to boot without turning the cold shoulder over one incident. Everyone's always got one friend or one time some probably mentally ill person yelled at them for giving food. I've given food many times and been thanked profusely. If all it takes is this one time this guy yelled at me to ignore homeless people you all didn't really care to begin with.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,493
Henderson, NV
The sad/hilarious thing about this thread is that a lot of the problems could be avoided if one is just straight up with the homeless person. Not all of them are psychos or drug abusers. Just engage and let them know what you can and can't do.

"What's up, my bad I really don't have a lot of spare cash on me. Can I get you something to eat though? You want something from this (insert store) All I've got is 2.00. Are you gonna be okay with that?" Most homeless people will be 1. Happy that you respected them enough to talk to them instead of assuming and taking at them or making them take what YOU feel they need or want because they should be desperate.

Like somebody above said, sometimes your TIME is worth more than a few dollars.

People have so many assumptions and assume homeless people are trash and it's so ridiculous. So many people here are a check away from being homeless themselves.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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Just give them money. They don't want your half eaten hamburger. They're adults. Let them make their own decisions
 

Afrikan

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Oct 28, 2017
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Offer to pay off/some of their Library fines. So they can check out books again.

You can go with them... or take their name and Birthday down... and next time you're at your Local Library, tell them you're there to pay off a fine for a fam member.
 
Aug 17, 2018
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If you give someone a gift, you don't get to be the arbiter of what they do with it. That applies to any gift given to anyone, including giving money to a homeless person.
Wrong.

You don't lawyers to sign papers forcing people to be responsible with funds. If my dad gave me money to pay for school, my obligation is to use it for school and not hang out at pool halls all day.

Since a guy donating money and a homeless person has no real connection going forward, some donaters prefer not giving cash because they have no idea what's being done with it. So that's why some prefer donating items or food, which is good intent. There is no way you can say anyone donating items or a lunch is being an asshole. Now if someone was walking by a dropped dirty clothes or half used tubes of toothpaste, then sure. But that's not happening.

Not hard to understand.
 

Fiction

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Oct 25, 2017
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Come on. Your post makes it seem handing a person in need anything but money makes me an asshole. On what planet is giving a homeless person a bag of toiletries making their life harder? If I gave a homeless person money it's because I want them to feel secure, but if I gave a homeless person a roll of toilet paper I'm apparently fucking them? I've lived in Santa Monica and there's beautiful people who I've met at the worst point in their lives and the things they missed most was SHAVING and brushing their teeth. Yes some of them prefer cold hard cash. But you paint an incorrect picture with your post. You are not making anyone's life harder by trying to help them. Help in anyway you can.

I was talking to the people that said they only give them food. Not sure how you took what you took from my post, but usually money is better, unless you know what they need because they told you.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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There's a homeless guy who sometimes hangs outside a burrito shop I go to. He always asks me to get him one so I go in with him and let him order, then I pay for his stuff and go about my way so he can sit in the restaurant for a bit. Usually if someone asks for money, and I actually have cash on me, I try to give them some money though
 

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Offer to pay off/some of their Library fines. So they can check out books again.

You can go with them... or take their name and Birthday down... and next time you're at your Local Library, tell them you're there to pay off a fine for a fam member.
We usually make exceptions for homeless people in regards to library fines and using library services. Most libraries wont let you pay off fines in someone else's name for privacy reasons, so taking their name and pretending they are your family isnt going to work.
 

joecanada

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wrong.

You don't lawyers to sign papers forcing people to be responsible with funds. If my dad gave me money to pay for school, my obligation is to use it for school and not hang out at pool halls all day.

Since a guy donating money and a homeless person has no real connection going forward, some donaters prefer not giving cash because they have no idea what's being done with it. So that's why some prefer donating items or food, which is good intent. There is no way you can say anyone donating items or a lunch is being an asshole. Now if someone was walking by a dropped dirty clothes or half used tubes of toothpaste, then sure. But that's not happening.

Not hard to understand.
Lol kids blow their dads school money on bullshit including party drugs all the time. Theres no verbal contract on gifts if it's a gift you shouldn't even be thinking what they did with it . The giving was the act
 

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Wrong.

You don't lawyers to sign papers forcing people to be responsible with funds. If my dad gave me money to pay for school, my obligation is to use it for school and not hang out at pool halls all day.

Since a guy donating money and a homeless person has no real connection going forward, some donaters prefer not giving cash because they have no idea what's being done with it. So that's why some prefer donating items or food, which is good intent. There is no way you can say anyone donating items or a lunch is being an asshole. Now if someone was walking by a dropped dirty clothes or half used tubes of toothpaste, then sure. But that's not happening.

Not hard to understand.
Yeah because they are your parent and you have an obligation to them, that's an entirely different situation and the fact that you would compare the two is completely ridiculous.

Donating food or other items to a shelter or food bank is good. Buying a big mac for a homeless person who doesn't want or need it is pointless.
 

Biske

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Nov 11, 2017
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I dunno, they are already homeless, already living a shit life and tons of problems, not matter what you do in that personal interaction its not going to change anything.

If they want money give em some money, they go do whatever, buy some drugs escape a bit fuck it. Life is hell anyways.

If you wanna help the homeless in a big way convince your local government to do shit to help em.
 

Fiction

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd rather give my money to a charity that helps people that want help.

I worked at a truck stop where a ton of homeless came through. Got to know the sweetest old vet. He would panhandle enough every day to buy food and whatever for him and his dog, and then stop. There were hotel rooms on the cheap there but he never did it enough to get one. One day, someone gave him a hundred bucks because it was veterans day and he bought his daily sandwich while excitedly saying he was going to spend a week reading in his tent.

Sweet guy with PTSD so bad he didn't trust himself not to snap and kill people if he interacted with them more than a few minutes a day. He didn't have help, because he couldn't deal with it, but he made do. He once told me that the reason he was homeless is because he got a girlfriend after he came home and the first night he slept with her he woke up with his hands around her throat. This was the best way he could see dealing with that.

People want to be helped. Mental illness, poor education, or other factors prevent them from getting it.
 

Soundscream

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Nov 2, 2017
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I understand why some would say no to food. People are sick and I would be worried someone had tampered with it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't carry cash, ever, I just ignore and act like no one is there.

It honestly makes me sad to do so but that's life.
 

Aprikurt

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Oct 29, 2017
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The major homeless charities by me actually tell you not to give money. I'm not saying that's right, but they probably know a bit more about it than me.
 

Afrikan

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Oct 28, 2017
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We usually make exceptions for homeless people in regards to library fines and using library services. Most libraries wont let you pay off fines in someone else's name for privacy reasons, so taking their name and pretending they are your family isnt going to work.

That's nice of yall.

It can work in some libraries, if you're not trying to ask info about the account. Just basically saying here is some money for fines. But you're right, it's against policy, so I guess depends the worker.

So yeah.. for everyone else, just go with them to the local library if it's close by.
 
Aug 17, 2018
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Yeah because they are your parent and you have an obligation to them, that's an entirely different situation and the fact that you would compare the two is completely ridiculous.

Donating food or other items to a shelter or food bank is good. Buying a big mac for a homeless person who doesn't want or need it is pointless.
And how is every person walking down the street willing to donate something going to know if the homeless doesn't want a lunch?

I said it before, people aren't mind readers. If the homeless prefers a toe nail clipper, ok say so. Maybe the person will buy him one. Maybe he won't.

Maybe the guy donating says I've got time to buy you lunch and that's it man. So what? He's an asshole for not giving him cash or whatever exact item the homeless guy wants?

That's some kind of mind reading entitlement there.
 

Bio

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Oct 27, 2017
3,370
Denver, Colorado
Like, how can you say that sometimes the money was for drugs or alcohol, and at the same time telling people to fuck off for assuming you would spend the money they gave you on drugs or alcohol?

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Because most people use drugs or alcohol in one way or another, so looking down on homeless people because they also might want to get drunk or high (and probably need that escape more than you or I do), seems like a shitty thing to do. The notion that any one of us needs to 'save' these people from their 'reckless behavior' is also bullshit, if you ask me.

Sometimes people just need a fuckin' break, or some basic human kindness.
 

ScatheZombie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Now I'm curious about the story of how you overcame homelessness.

But what eventually happened that caused you to no longer be homeless, if you don't mind me asking?

The short version is... when I was 15-16, my family got evicted from the house we were renting because the owner wanted to sell it off and we couldn't afford to buy it outright from them. And at the same time, my dad got laid off. For the next 8ish months, we bounced around living with friends, family, 'camping' in the woods, sleeping in cars, motels, parks, shelters, etc. Eventually my dad picked up a new job, and we stayed with a relative for about a year until we were able to afford our own place again.

You may want to spit in someone's face for offering you shitty compensation, but hate to say this, you are in no position to demand anything from anyone...... especially people who are willing to offer something to complete stranger who they will likely never see or talk to again. Whether you like it or not, you aren't going to get steak dinners or limo ride to the mall to buy bags of fancy clothes. That's life.

That's an unfortunate and inaccurate takeaway from what was being said. No one is demanding anything from anyone. It was pointing out to people that their supposed generosity is actually worthless, selfish and insulting. The "Only Food!" camp is extremely judgmental and condescending and, on top of that, factually wrong in their assumptions. The realities of homelessness have been repeated throughout the thread, yet you still have people ignoring that in favor of their own bullshit opinions. And then trying to defend those opinions by yet again shitting on the less fortunate by making the entire discussion about themselves, and how their 'generosity' is both extremely conditional and still somehow noble - when it's actually further from it than simply doing nothing. Which, again, no one is saying you should do nothing, only that if you actually want to help there are a million better ways to do it. The way you've decided to do it isn't actually helping - it's only making you feel better about yourself.

Like, how can you say that sometimes the money was for drugs or alcohol, and at the same time telling people to fuck off for assuming you would spend the money they gave you on drugs or alcohol?

Because the assumption is that all (or even most) homeless people are addicts who will spend all (or most) of their money on drugs and alcohol.

And because if you went into any thread on here where people admit, even brag, about doing recreational drugs or consuming alcohol and you called them an addict, they would lose their fucking shit and you'd get run out of the thread, if not outright warned or banned by a mod.

And because conditional generosity has always been some ole' bullshit.

EDIT: Also, to elaborate on that specific comment about using money for drugs and alcohol...

If we didn't have friends and family to lean on, I don't know how we would have made it. My dad getting a new job was extremely reliant on having easy access to places to shower/dress/prepare for interviews and having enough gas money at the time to get there and back - which we didn't have when we weren't staying with friends/family temporarily. During the worst part of it, I got roped into working for a drug dealer as a delivery mule. They used teenagers to bike mostly weed and coke across town to buyers and other dealers. I once showed up at the place we were staying after disappearing for two weeks (they thought I was staying with a friend) with $2000 in cash and my mom hesitated for minute before taking it. She never asked where I got it and I've never told her to this day.

Other than that, I knew my parents would occasionally spend money on alcohol. And honestly, who could blame them. I was just trying to be honest that when you are homeless, drugs and alcohol are a real part of your world, whether they were before or not. They are absolutely everywhere, especially at shelters - which is why we mostly avoided them when we could. But that doesn't mean everyone is an addict. Most of the other homeless I interacted with didn't do anything more than the typical non-homeless person I know. I actually probably saw just as much flagrant drug usage as a homeless teen as I did working for a software company in San Francisco years later.
 
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deimosmasque

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Apr 22, 2018
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I truly do not understand the point of a shelter that charges an entrance fee, that is so fucked up.

It is fucked up. Its something that should never happen. It is the reason I told a coworker she could live in my craft room if she could find nothing else.

It's also a thing you should consider next time someone asks for your change. Instead of passing on your left over food, clothes, etc. Consider what other ERA posters have told you.

Your charity of food doesn't solve:

Their ability to use public transit.
Their ability to take a shower.
Their ability to do laundry.
Their ability to buy hygiene amenities.
Their ability to print resumes/CVs.

Hell giving them a $1 burger from McDonald's doesn't feed the two kids they have in their car that you can't see.

Money makes the world go round... Give them some.
 

Hoo-doo

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Oct 25, 2017
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As someone who was once homeless...

I never actually needed food. It was relatively easy to get cheap or free meals. And when it wasn't, a hour of panhandling would get you enough for a cheeseburger.

I needed money. It wasn't for drugs or alcohol most of the time - although I definitely bought (and sold) both while homeless. It was for everything else. It was for public transportation fares to get around the city - because the best places to sleep, the places to get a hot meal, the places to get a shower, do laundry, panhandle, and... try to get out of being homeless... are often nowhere near each other. It was for washing/drying clothes at some ghetto laundromat at 3 am. It was for trying to get enough together to spend a night in a hotel. It was for buying little things like toothpaste, deodorant, shampoo just to wash your hair/brush your teeth in some truck stop bathroom so you'd still feel human. It was for phone calls to old friends and family begging for a place to stay.

Plus it's not like people who aren't homeless don't blow money on drugs and alcohol to drown out their shitty lives. And I guarantee whatever crap you think you're struggling with that needs to be dulled down with a couple beers or a few bong hits is infinitely less shitty than truly being homeless.

So... yeah...

"Fuck you" is a rather appropriate response to the bullshit that people like you would constantly just assume every cent you get as a homeless person is spent on drugs and shit. You aren't offering food because you want to help - you are doing so to feel less guilty, while still judging the fuck out of someone less fortunate than you. If you don't actually give a shit, that's fine. Just ghost homeless people like +90% of everyone else does. That's honestly less insulting than what you are doing.

Preach. The condescending stance in the OP is borne out of complete ignorance.
 

Spinluck

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Oct 26, 2017
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Scathe just ethered this thread with that post.

The thing about the occasional ERA drug and alcohol threads is very true lol.
 

large_gourd

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Jun 29, 2018
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i was gonna write a kind of long post about this but i think basically the gist of it was this - fuck giving homeless people food to make yourself feel better. if they're asking for money, either give it to them or don't.
 

Cipherr

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Oct 26, 2017
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This discussion wont make ground with anyone. Folks tend to have their minds made up already when it comes to any resource they can link to themselves and "the poor". It's very similar to the "Welfare Queen" thing where every person without empathy suspiciously has 20 examples of the poor welfare family that was in line at the grocer buying 800$ of premium steak and junk food while their 9 kids run in circles wearing 300$ Jordans and their mom chats away on a $1100 iPhone.... Same thing with the mystical homeless person who "definitely isn't starving" and has been panhandling for 2 decades while maintaining perfect health and making 4x minimum wage from people handing out $, and was seen spending it on cigs and beer.

Most of it is just bullshit. But we are super comfortable being shitty to the poor. So all the "we should make sure food stamps can only be spent on bread and water" and the "Never give a homeless person currency they can use to buy what they want/need" comes from the same place.
 

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Completely off base. Giving money is far and away the most effective way to address homelessness. This has been demonstrated time and again. That hot sandwich you so generously offer doesn't help them eat tomorrow, doesn't let them pay for shower access, printing a resume at the library, buying a new shirt and coat to sit for a job interview, putting a little gas in the tank to run the car heater for 5 minutes an hour on those really cold nights, or any of a hundred other things.
All of this and more should be covered by tax money.
 

DeathPeak

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Oct 27, 2017
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A majority of these people are sleeping on the streets. Give them money and let them decide how to spend it. Just because someone is homeless, it doesn't mean they're some kind of addict, Even then, If they need a drink or whatever to forget for a moment that they're living and sleeping on the street then so be it.
 

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How is this at all relevant to a momentary decision based on an empathetic understanding that another human being could use a few bucks to help them get through the day?
Topics about an alternative to giving homeless money. Voting for people who want to change and tackle the homeless problem is going to help every homeless person more then giving one a dollar.

A homeless person should not have to rely on goodwill of strangers to afford printing out a form etc.

Free food, water a place to spend the night and do basic hygiene is actually more helpful then having 5$ in the pocket.