I would have agree for Gran Turismo but given Xbox market presence in Europe, FH will likely sell more in the US.
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PAL Charts - Week 39, 2018
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I would have agree for Gran Turismo but given Xbox market presence in Europe, FH will likely sell more in the US.
Depends on how well Pokémon sells also forgetting FIFA 18 sales for 2018, and also Destiny Forsaken.
If we look at FH3's performance then we will see it did much better in Europe, part of that because it was the main bundle there of course, it did like 300k last year in the UK, I don't think it had such legs in the US.
FH will do fine FH3 sold well so will FH4. Microsoft will push it as there main bundle as well.
True, but Gears of War 4 doing mild/not great in October 2016 should've sent a message to MS that some of their IPs can't hang in those months.
Gears was going against a lot of shoooters, CoD, Battlefield, Titanfall 2. FH4 has no competition.
Player numbers are always a little ambiguous. Especially when you try to relate these to sales. In July, 9 months after launch, PD announced GT Sport had 5m online players. Their Facebook account then clarified it was almost 5.5m when all players counted. They add around 250k players per month so will be around 6.5m players 12 months after launch.
Don't ask me how you play GT Sport without being online - or at least doing a handful of online events.
These are the current 2018 best sellers on UK Amazon. Some surprising placings.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2018/videogames
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Wasn't FH 3 heavily bundled? And I don't mean in the way that people were buying the pack containing the game because they wanted to play it, but that every Xbox out there had FH 3 and the expansion, either you like it or not.
I remember that explaining its frequent presence in charts, to the point of selling almost as well in 2017 as in 2016. With Gamepass on the equation, perhaps this time they opt to include a trial for the service, instead of the game. That could affect its retail numbers, even if the same number of people play it in the end.
I remember that explaining its frequent presence in charts, to the point of selling almost as well in 2017 as in 2016. With Gamepass on the equation, perhaps this time they opt to include a trial for the service, instead of the game. That could affect its retail numbers, even if the same number of people play it in the end.
Yep!
I believe it was the main bundle for 18+ months, and during the majority of those months, the Forza Horizon 3 was the only bundle you could buy — whether you wanted the bundled game or not — hence its frequent appearance in the PAL charts.
I honestly think that with Game Pass, the lack of digital data until 2019 as well as there being more bundles available to choose from (Tomb Raider, Fortnite, Sea of Thieves, etc.), the opening numbers for Forza Horizon 4 won't be quite as high as some folks expect.
Quite surprised to see that arguably the biggest Xbox One exclusive of this year, and in its second biggest market by a significant margin too, is nowhere to be seen on the first page, let alone near the top 50 bestseller of the year...
Some times, UK sales alone for Forza games are as high as in the US.
This is not the type of game you can say "it's alright cause the USA is what really matter", this is not Halo or Gears of war, Europe sales for Forza are EXTREMELY important.
Thanks, I didn't knew about it.
Is the game bundled in the US or not ? The X1 moves a lot of units in the US during the last quarter of the year so I figured that Forza would benefit a lot from it.
eh idk about that, all i know is that a lot of times first month at retail in UK =~ first month at retail in US, and in the long run Forza has strong legs in UK...
Great result from FH4 and that's not counting digital which has the majority of it's sales.
Odyssey seems like a disappointment, it's a better game than Origins by miles but I guess fatigue sets in. Super Mario Party looks good from what it is I guess?
Maybe that 26% went digital, assuming this is just based on physical sales. Also Fifa landed the week before and Horizon 4 now available. Seems to me Xbox users plumped for H4, which lets be honest, is a rather good game to choose 8).
Steam peak player numbers put Odyssey over Origins quite consiserably, so i think at least in part more people simply went digital.
Hopefully, it's actually a really great game and a surprise even for me, an AC yearly buyer. I actually want another AC RPG next year, really liking the current gameplay loop.
I have to say as well, as someone who ploughed MANY hours into Origins, Odyssey does actually "feel" like a different game...I don't really get any "this is just the same" feelings while playing. I loved Origins but IMO Odyssey tops in a number of areas. Peeps on the fence should absolutely pick it up at some point.
Last year's AC was determined at "<100k", so AC Odyssey is <74k, and FH4 is just below that, so 70k makes sense.
That'd be a very big digital percentage (let's do the math!):
AC: Origins physical is defined as 1: AC:Origins physical + digital is 1/0.65 = 1.54
AC:Odyssey physical is 0.74. To get equal sales, digital must be 0.80. 0.80/(0.80+0.74) = 52% digital.
It's possible, definitely, but it'd be a massive growth in digital in one year.
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Based on the digital %'s back there, I very much doubt it. I wouldn't look at Steam numbers at all as:
- Last year, the DRM hurting performance narrative was out there for PC Origins, or at least odd coding which ramped CPUs up to 100% just by moving
- There were very cheap uPlay keys going around due to NVidia bundles and I believe you could get it for £25 just around release for a uPlay key. I ended up getting a uPlay code for for the Deluxe version for £30 from Razer and with a £10 voucher off my next purchase.
Yeah, i didn't mean the entire 26% went digital 8), my fault. but absolutely a percentage will have gone that way, other new games out in the same or similar period and honestly i don't think UBI will be disappointed at these results.
I think January onwards is going to be very eye opening to people that think digital has grown a lot in the UK.
Just last month we had a Gameindustry article saying of all AAA game sales in the UK, Spain, France and Germany, 75% were physical.
To be fair, UK digital ratio is probably the bigger one in Europe.
So if it's 25% in UK/SPAIN/FRANCE/GERMANY, it's probably like 15-20% in FR/SP/GE and 30-35 in UK i think
I don't think so, the gap on price is wider here in the UK and based on the %'s below of digital (which is also for the year, so will benefit from PSN/XBL sales), it's on the lower end.
Zhuge was saying a few months back that on average, XBO games skew more heavily towards digital than PS4 games. Presumably because of digital policies etc. Whatever the reason, it would certainly make sense for FH to be the same with a strong digital split. I remember Zhuge saying that the skew to digital was so large for some games - eg Halo Wars 2 sold more digitally than physically.
Did that include W10 sales? A digital percentage being higher than the physical percentage would be more easily achieved in a genre that is more popular on PC.
I'm extremely impressed by FH4 sales. I mean higher than FH3 at retail despite the increase in digital and Gamepass ? That's incredibly impressive !
Hmm, where do you base that statement on? Even though the Windows Store isn't close to as healthy as Steam, a genre like RTS is still likely to get a significant chunk of sales on PC, even on the Windows Store in my uneducated opinion.
Just to be clear, I'm not in doubt that XB1 sales skew more towards digital than PS4 ones; I just think that Halo Wars 2 is not a representative example for games doing more digitally than physically due to the aforementioned reason.
All digital sales for Play Anywhere games include W10. They are the same, so nobody knows the split.
Benji is expecting FH4 to have more digital then retail tho. This doesnt include Gamepass downloads. :)
Haha, oh dear. Well, who am I to argue with the collective anecdotal of ResetERA? ;)
Right, so as I mentioned, XB1 digital share has been noted to be higher than PS4, which I don't dispute at all. Fact is that FH4 is on PC as well, so that further helps push the digital share, despite not being on Steam. Thing is that I have no clue how big the Racing genre is on PC, so I couldn't give a good estimation of the PC version's weight. As I mentioned, HW2 is bound to have a big PC pull due to the prevalence of the genre in PC gaming. I don't ultimately discard the possibility that digital share is over 50%, I'm just not convinced the above is quite enough to push it to 50%. As mentioned before, the overall digital shares for most games in the UK is still around 25%. XB1 exclusives will go higher, as mentioned by ZhugeEX, but it's a long way from 25% digital share to 50%.
So, in the end I'm not antithetical to the idea, but I'm still skeptical. Of course, a 40%+ digital share would still be massive, and FH4 sales are great even without a huge digital share.
