For Zero there is an "early access/alpha" translation for the PSP version but the fan translation team is now really far along on a polished PC version of Zero. There is also machine translated version of Ao PSP that was "edited" by a fan.
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For Zero there is an "early access/alpha" translation for the PSP version but the fan translation team is now really far along on a polished PC version of Zero. There is also machine translated version of Ao PSP that was "edited" by a fan.
Ugh. The impressions from this thread are making me consider just straight up dropping the series. I loved the Sky trilogy and enjoyed CS1&2 but the poor pacing, repetitive structure and story beats, and harem nonsense from Cold Steel was really wearing on me by the end. It sounds like these issues might all just be getting worse and worse as the series goes on.
Not particularly surprised they did. Between how other girls who became playable were handled, as well as
her reaction when he spoke favorably of her toward the end of their conversation in her room aboard the Pantagruel,
I wish it was going full persona where you at least had the option to ignore shit. Here not so much.
There is a lot of stuff I still really appreciate but my feelings so far having made it to 8/22 is I would have dropped this series if Cold Steel was my first arc and I didn't have the investment of xbell and sky driving me.
I thought Sen 3 was a return to form but oh boy Sen 4 just feels like Sen 2 again. Very little story padded out cause they couldn't completely finish it in Sen 3. Even if the ending of Sen 4 has highs as high as Ao I have a hard time not feeling like Cold Steel is just the worst arc of the series quite massively worse as well. That said I personally am probably going to stick it out until Calvard. But yeah if that game fucks up the pacing of the character arcs again I'm probably dropping as well.
Imo that's just my current feelings, stuff can change as I finish the game maybe but the more I progress through and the clearer I feel the picture becomes there is a lot of shit that Cold Steel as an arc bungles/has bungled heavily.
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I don't know if i'd call it all worse, more that it's just stayed similar for 7 games.
However the bonding events are definitely the worst offenders though, and I would say they have gotten worse in many regards.
I suppose you're right, the Sky games established the structure and CS feels like it just copy-pasted it. The harem nonsense though is new and worse (well relative to Sky, maybe not Crossbell).
Even in part 2, it still feels really low key, especially in light of the "dramatic final conclusion!" marketing and the broader plot developments.
Foolishly, I thought it would transition to the war with Calvard by part 2.
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Seems like most of the issues with this series would be ironed out if they simply quit making 1 game into 2 games like they've been doing. Especially the pacing issues. I think I've just accepted that for better or worse this is a series that's going to have awkward pacing.
Not having to develop a new engine for Calvard, along with years of experience with 3D models should help.
It also sure seems like they had to restart development on Sen III at some point, given Crossbell in Sen II surely indicates they intended to pull off Sen iii in that engine.
It also sure seems like they had to restart development on Sen III at some point, given Crossbell in Sen II surely indicates they intended to pull off Sen iii in that engine.
The end of act 2 and act 3 ended pretty crazily. The weird pacing aside, lots of crazy stuff happening. The way act 3 ended was especially brutal. That being said, the last day before the final battle is like shipping heaven for all the other characters not romantically involved with Rean. Based on which characters are with who,
A fun day, to say the least.
Gaius and Linde
Machias and Patiry
Jusis and (spirit) Millium (this is leaning towards more platonic from what I can tell, but it could go either way)
Randy and Mireille (conversation over the phone, but everyone already knew this; she was going to give a good night kiss over the line until she freaks out about it)
Ashe and Tachiana
Sidney and Ada (he might have a chance)
George and Angelica (they're not strictly together but they keep dropping hints between these two a lot)
Olivier and Schera (these two are pretty much a thing at this point)
Tio and Ringo x Mishy
Kenith and Anabelle
Hugo and Becky
Agate and Tita (questionable)
Kurt and Sully (mom shows in interest in her after receiving her help; pushing it but hey, she knows his mom now)
Anton x ???
Machias and Patiry
Jusis and (spirit) Millium (this is leaning towards more platonic from what I can tell, but it could go either way)
Randy and Mireille (conversation over the phone, but everyone already knew this; she was going to give a good night kiss over the line until she freaks out about it)
Ashe and Tachiana
Sidney and Ada (he might have a chance)
George and Angelica (they're not strictly together but they keep dropping hints between these two a lot)
Olivier and Schera (these two are pretty much a thing at this point)
Tio and Ringo x Mishy
Kenith and Anabelle
Hugo and Becky
Agate and Tita (questionable)
Kurt and Sully (mom shows in interest in her after receiving her help; pushing it but hey, she knows his mom now)
Anton x ???
A fun day, to say the least.
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Considering that back in CS II,
one of the options during swim class was, "Admire Millium",
A number of the Amazon reviews complain about the "harem" aspect as well.
She is so far, but it's not for a better reason.
Though plausible deniabilty was at play in the beginning, this has probably been an issue with the series since its inception.
She is so far, but it's not for a better reason.
Falcom had suggested something between her and another character, which was pretty awful as well.
Though plausible deniabilty was at play in the beginning, this has probably been an issue with the series since its inception.
Is there a FOURTH section after rescuing Elise, or does it end with the 3rd run?
I'm guessing I should go take care of bosses and tackle the remaining white chests.
I'm guessing I should go take care of bosses and tackle the remaining white chests.
Probably not the ideal thread for this, but I hit the "Divertissement" in CS II last night. Is it worth just ... stopping play here and waiting until I've at least played Zero? Or should I just push through it and not worry about Crossbell spoilers beyond what's already happened.
This is why people shouldn't assume that Japanese players automatically will be receptive to any and all fanservice.
The harem aspects in Sen IV are unnatural, and not even similar to the ones featured in the Persona games or even the earlier CS games.
Machias says there's nothing there regarding his relationship with Patiry. I know they're teasing, but I genuinely believe him when he says he can do better.
Jusis and Millium are definitely not platonic, lol.
George ending up with Angelica would be the worst thing this series has done for me, but I doubt they'll follow up on it.
Did you see Anton's event with ??? Quite possibly the best event in the game, lol.
Also you forgot Elliot x Unnamed person. He's turned into the quite the ladies man, it seems.
Jusis and Millium are definitely not platonic, lol.
George ending up with Angelica would be the worst thing this series has done for me, but I doubt they'll follow up on it.
Did you see Anton's event with ??? Quite possibly the best event in the game, lol.
Also you forgot Elliot x Unnamed person. He's turned into the quite the ladies man, it seems.
So you're saying that I could play Zero and Ao on my PSP right now with a.... Gagharv-quality translation?
I would Jump to zero and ao fantranslations at divertissment since zero & ao are clearly better games plot wise than cold steel1+2
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Holy cow the end of the 断章 chapter was insane. Definitely rank this game ahead of the others. It cant possibly get any crazier.
Stakes turned up to the max, seeing all those robots and main characters lined up. Full on war, 2 hours of nothing but nonstop boss battles and cutscenes. I was praying that my PS4 wouldn't crash or all that time would have been lost. I fucked up anyway failing to kill both Osborne and the knight lady at the same time for the AP boost -_-. I must have been a few hundred hp off on Osborne before I let my S-crafts off.
Ofc can't have a JP game without cat girls lol
Ofc can't have a JP game without cat girls lol
There's no romance between the two. She says Rean ends up becoming her special person (business as usual) but they haven't crossed that line.
Yet
Yet
Tita and Agate are heading towards full genji as well. We're not far off before people can't write it off as a silly child crush anymore.
It was never a 'silly child crush' from Tita's perspective. The fact that it's a major part of Tita and Agate's arc in SC, the fact that 3rd and CS kept that aspect shows that we're supposed to take Tita's feelings on the matter as genuine and not just a silly feeling, even if it's arguably misguided.
The anchor that will be the determinant is basically Agate's response to Tita ( in the future ) and how Falcom decides to follow-through with that. As far as we know, nothing has changed in regards to Agate basically treating Tita like a surrogate-sister figure.... for now.
The 3rd made the Tita/Agate thing clear. Sen III and IV are just continuing where it left off. "They're just giving them a hard time" isn't what was happening.
Agate explicitly says he views Tita as a replacement for his younger sister.
Tita explicitly mentions she loves him in SC during the climax of chapter 5 and Agate doesn't make a strange remark about it because he understood her intent.
They weren't dogwhistling a romantic relationship between a 20+ year old man and a child back in the Sky Trilogy. It was an intimate relationship between a man who lost a younger sister and a girl who needed an older brother figure.
Tita explicitly mentions she loves him in SC during the climax of chapter 5 and Agate doesn't make a strange remark about it because he understood her intent.
They weren't dogwhistling a romantic relationship between a 20+ year old man and a child back in the Sky Trilogy. It was an intimate relationship between a man who lost a younger sister and a girl who needed an older brother figure.
Imo I don't think a child crush isn't genuine. So it never was really a question of how genuine we think her feelings are. It was always more a question of how later games handle it. Sen 3/4 could as well have been about her growing out of it and settling into a brother sister relationship instead of how it is now leading to doubling down on it with Agate himself being overly ambiguous in certain responses.
Basically before sen 3/4 there was always the chance of feelings changing and it just being very natural it could have even been a natural progression given her being more apart. That wouldn't have meant her earlier feelings weren't real just natural teenager mental growth etc. But yeah the outcome will be decided by Agate's response I agree just so far I haven't seen much of him reaffirming the brother/sister thing and instead it feels like falcom is just doing a lot of anime shenanigans instead.
Also stuff like other characters commenting about how Tita and Agate are so "rabu rabu" (lovestricken) comes off way different when she was 12 vs when she is 16. It's very weird.
Imo there are certain things this game nails really well and then you just have to kinda gloss over these things which just makes me immensely sad.
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I mean, it's a completely different story for the modern games, but i'm also pretty confident that's what they were going for back then.
Old!Falcom earned that benefit of the doubt imo.
I agree with that.
That being said, I will say that knowing Falcom, even if they intend to cement Tita/Agate as purely sibling-like, that won't' be how they do it. ( Tita growing out of it as she grew older)
They'll pull a playbook out of Cardcaptor Sakura's Sakura/Yukito handbook and go all the way to the Tita confession, only for her to be shot down.
That would be fine and it could even be a good character developement moment or what not depending on how it's done.
It's just recent Falcom has just 0 benefit of the doubt from me Sen 4 in many ways is very good at pulling it almost to the negative. I already said this on the discord but I won't be surprised if we have a Tita/Agate wedding in a future game. *painful eyeroll*
It suuuuuucks so much cause you still have a lot of suuuuuper great moments. Falcom I feel has only gotten better at their NPC game over time cause that part I really like.
So it seems like Falcom is trying to (clumsily) make some statement about ultra-nationalism.
Falcom won't do this, because they already consider the two to be "together."
Falcom won't do this, because they already consider the two to be "together."
On 9/1, and this side quest was pretty top notch.
I was not expecting Alan and Bridget to get such a long subplot all the way to the last day. It was nice seeing them have their little arc with the support of the entire OG Thors roster. Great stuff. Underrated couple that could easily have been elevated to the main cast if they wanted to.
If you do a certain bonding event, it shows that what you are claiming with regard to Millium was NOT the case.
Jusis talks in very explicit terms about how Millium took on a younger-sister role to him, which really helped him after his father was arrested and his older brother went off to govern Crossbell, leaving him alone. Nothing romantic at all.
Also, regarding Altina: Not all of the bonding events with heart icons are romantic, and hers are among the ones that are not. It just continues the sort of father/daughter relationship that she had with Rean in Sen 3.
Additionally, stop being disingenuous about Tita/Agate. It's clear if you actually paid attention that what PK Gaming was saying was correct, and Sen 4 has maintained the same status quo. (Although Falcom's lack of restraint with regard to harem stuff in this game doesn't leave me too optimistic for how they may handle it in future games if they continue on this new trajectory.)
Sen 4 has enough to legitimately criticize for its handling of relationships. You don't need to resort to spreading false information.
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Damn, this hidden quest on 9/1 is a must-do. An absolute heart crusher.
Dumb harem stuff aside, the game is doing a good job of tying up a lot of things from the past games, you just kind of have to go look for them, though. Good stuff, in any case.
This quest involves the Hamel area getting turned into some other dimension-like place similar to when Kevin fell down to the Purgatory area (don't remember what it's called) to save Ries. You basically go through the entire two areas to the village, fight one of those demon bosses, and you get to hear Loewe's voice one final team with the entire Liberl cast (including Ashe and Rean). My only disappointment was that they didn't bring Midorikawa back just for this scene, but I'm sure that would break me.
Dumb harem stuff aside, the game is doing a good job of tying up a lot of things from the past games, you just kind of have to go look for them, though. Good stuff, in any case.
The fuck is this shit? And I got called out for complaining that CS 1 and 2 looked too anime (in a bad way). Part 4 seems to have gone all in, jfc!A sub-event will trigger if your entire harem (Alisa, Fie, Ema, Laura, and Sara) is in your party at the hot spring (this event also includes two other female characters that aren't listed here). Falcom going all in. All I can say is yikes.
Also, there's a main sub-quest you can do that is essentially just an excuse to get any character naked with Rean in the hot spring (this includes the available Crossbell and Sky members with you at the time). Falcom going full scumbag.
So sad to read all this but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Also I just googled the CS4 characters on its wiki and is having exposed thighs for female characters required by law in this world? Holy shit almost every fucking important female character has some form of thigh exposed.
When and why did this zettai ryouiki trope became so popular in anime that you can't throw a rock without hitting three series that have at least one girl sporting absolute territory. It's insane.
Getting Altina out of the way,
I assumed that when the game more or less said female characters had romance options, and her icon had hearts as well, that she was pursuable romantically. It's good to know it's nothing explicitly "older male character molests young female character," but I don't think I was being unfair.
Edit: I just remembered, the bonding events with girls all have extra heart icons when you choose whether or not to pursue a relationship, and Altina's had that icon as well. So ... ?
Edit: I just remembered, the bonding events with girls all have extra heart icons when you choose whether or not to pursue a relationship, and Altina's had that icon as well. So ... ?
Regarding Tita and Agate, I don't know what has led you to believe that my position on the two is somehow "disingenous," but I can assure you that if I'm wrong, it's coming from a geniuine place. The 3rd claims they're in a relationship. Then the characters in Sen III and Sen IV act as if they're either in a relationship, or are into each other. I'm pretty sure "ラブラブだな" or something variant of that was said in Sen III, and it was just recently said in Sen IV about the two. It's paying attention that informs my position.
Regarding Millium,
In Sen III, I believe Elliot is the one who suggests that Jusis has feelings for her.
Do you also believe that the games don't set up Elise and Rean romantically?
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Sen 3 & 4 are definitely more serious than 1 & 2.
A lot of the complaints brought up in this thread are stuff related to decisions about interpersonal character relationships, which - where it concerns story or plot related development , are pretty good. Not perfect and parts of it are not as dark as some would like, but they're generally okay.
It's worth stating that for all of the focus that is highlighted on the harem, it's actially something that is optional ( not excusing the effects it has on cascading character development problems, mind ) and that there is a bigger arc in the Erebonia storyline that isn't argued as strongly here for reasons of it being really spoiler-heavy and while it's not issue-free, is pretty alright.
A lot of the complaints brought up in this thread are stuff related to decisions about interpersonal character relationships, which - where it concerns story or plot related development , are pretty good. Not perfect and parts of it are not as dark as some would like, but they're generally okay.
It's worth stating that for all of the focus that is highlighted on the harem, it's actially something that is optional ( not excusing the effects it has on cascading character development problems, mind ) and that there is a bigger arc in the Erebonia storyline that isn't argued as strongly here for reasons of it being really spoiler-heavy and while it's not issue-free, is pretty alright.
3rd at no point, ever claimed that they're in a relationship.
It is serious in a lot of ways but the anime trash moments just happen in such a blatant way that it just kinda takes you out for a moment.
Imo Sen 4 feels kinda like Age of Ultron. Like the movie you have these awesome moments of characters getting together interacting, you even have strong question asked by the story and good character moments, but then you have this anime/fan service garbage like how Ultron had that out of place infinity stone thor bathing scene and moments where the ball is dropped with certain characters like how arguably ultron wasn't as effective of a villain as he could be.
But the thor bathing scene moments in sen 4 for me are kinda very amplified in their awfulness but around that you still have a lot if really good stuff.
It's a very mixed bag so far with high highs and low lows but I just reached the part according to people on the discord where the good shit happens so we'll see.
Imo I might possibly come of more negative than I intent to be I'm just generally critical and I do enjoy myself still.
I would drop the game otherwise but there was just a lot of really annoying things that have popped up which is a shame given it's the finale. Sen 3 in comparison I really loved and it's the one game in the Erebonia arc that I think is all around pretty great with it's worst sins just having to deal with the baggage of the prior games.
3rd does not claim that they are in a relationship.
No, Elise and Rean are not set up as a couple either.
The key point that you are missing here, in both cases, is that one party is into the other, and outside characters acknowledge this, but the other party does not reciprocate. One-sided interest does not make two people to be "in a relationship".
For what it's worth, it's just CS4 that is this way. 3 is actually probably less "anime" than 1/2, and I think it's the best CS game overall.
Even if those anime trash moments didn't happen in such a blatant way I can't take this serious when women's outfits look like that.
I've made some further googling and it's just embarrassing. Like I said on my previous post you'd think it was against the law for women in the main party to not have some exposed thigh but even those extra girls who somehow get to have their whole legs covered they will more often than not have a plunging cleavage and/or colossal tits. Also exposed navel.
Add to all this the ridiculous harem bullshit and you have something that even by anime standards is positively bonkers.
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I don't have the time to go through videos to find the exact screen of this in the 3rd, but here's a famitsu article that refers to it.
"Age Gap Couple." The way the Famitsu article refers to it is pretty telling as well.
I'll respond to the rest later.
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I don't have the time to go through videos to find the exact screen of this in the 3rd, but here's a famitsu article that refers to it.
"Age Gap Couple." The way the Famitsu article refers to it is pretty telling as well.
I'll respond to the rest later.
Are people seriously playing an anime stylized game and complaining about it being anime? I'm sorry but if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
An optional harem and some fan service isn't the end of the world. Anybody that follows anime sees this sort of stuff all the time.
An optional harem and some fan service isn't the end of the world. Anybody that follows anime sees this sort of stuff all the time.
Been a while since I read a comment this idiotic.
1. Anime doesn't instantly equal incest fetishization, harem memes and pedophilia fetishization.
2. This is a series that didn't start out this blatant so the we should accept this because "animu!" becomes even more idiotic.
3. Ok give me the post that was painting this as the end of the world? This is like the 101 disingenuous let make this a hyperbole that didn't even happen kinda thing to dismiss legit criticism especially when it comes to the same tired anime garbage memes.
Here is the counter people not liking anime games going full otaku pandering and saying as much is not the end of the world either. Anybody that follows anime and has gotten tired of this garbage and just shares this is just sharing a totally understandable opinion so having to suffer through this shit ALL the time gets really old.
Srsly how about having an actual real counter argument actually defending the shit if you really like it instead of this low key nothing of value added dismissing? How about you tell us all how the character moments are heightened by pushing harem moments into our faces right in midst a serious character development moment?
Imo non arguments like this being the norm in all criticism threads about these issues basically makes me not even want to defend anything about the whole thing not even a little. People being such snowflakes about their games to argue in this way is just fucking yikes. I can appreciate many things about sen 4 and at the same time recognize it's being the trashiest in certain area's of the entire series.
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