California ballot initiatives 2018

Septimus Prime · Oct 7, 2018

Let's get that have mind going.

Here are the propositions for this election:

Proposition 1

Authorizes Bonds to Fund Specified Housing Assistance Programs. Legislative Statute.(PDF)

Proposition 2

Authorizes Bonds to Fund Existing Housing Program for Individuals with Mental Illness. Legislative Statute. (PDF)

Proposition 3

Authorizes Bonds to Fund Projects for Water Supply and Quality, Watershed, Fish, Wildlife, Water Conveyance, and Groundwater Sustainability and Storage. Initiative Statute.(PDF)

Proposition 4

Authorizes Bonds Funding Construction at Hospitals Providing Children's Health Care. Initiative Statute.(PDF)

Proposition 5

Changes Requirements for Certain Property Owners to Transfer their Property Tax Base to Replacement Property. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.(PDF)

Proposition 6

Eliminates Certain Road Repair and Transportation Funding. Requires Certain Fuel Taxes and Vehicle Fees be Approved by The Electorate. Initiative Constitutional Amendment.(PDF)

Proposition 7

Conforms California Daylight Saving Time to Federal Law. Allows Legislature to Change Daylight Saving Time Period. Legislative Statute. (PDF)

Proposition 8

Regulates Amounts Outpatient Kidney Dialysis Clinics Charge for Dialysis Treatment. Initiative Statute.

Proposition 9

On July 18, 2018, Proposition 9 was removed from the ballot by order of the California Supreme Court. (PDF)

Proposition 10

Expands Local Governments' Authority to Enact Rent Control on Residential Property. Initiative Statute.

Proposition 11

Requires Private-Sector Emergency Ambulance Employees to Remain On-Call During Work Breaks. Eliminates Certain Employer Liability. Initiative Statute.

Proposition 12

Establishes New Standards for Confinement of Specified Farm Animals; Bans Sale of Noncomplying Products. Initiative Statute.

So? What will you do? I'm thinking...

1-4. Yes. These are programs that need funding, and the opposition seems to be the usual nonsense about bureaucrats and wasteful spending.
5. Leaning no. Seems like a new wealth protection scheme for Boomers.
6. No. I'll pay more for gas to protect our infrastructure.
7. Yes. No need for DST.
8. Leaning no, based on who opposes it.
10. Leaning yes. I'm both a tenant and an owner, so I'm not super sure how I feel about rent control.
11. No. Breaks should be protected, even for emergency personnel.
12. Yes? Not sure.

What will you do?

A Fish Aficionado · Oct 7, 2018

Anything sponsored by DaVita is a no go.

CherryWoodFuton · Oct 7, 2018

A Fish Aficionado said:
Anything sponsored by DaVita is a no go.

Yes

Def yes on the first 4 measures. California should have addressed their housing crisis years ago. Now they have to play catch up now that the NIMBYS seem like they are losing influence

No Depth · Oct 7, 2018

For those curious, here are the CA Dem party official endorsements:

1. Yes
2. Yes
4. Yes
5. No
6. No
7. Yes
8. Yes
10. Yes
11. No
12. Yes

Heretic · Oct 7, 2018

Cause I'm an idiot: Removing DST means we get Oct - Mar time all year round, right?

Katamari · Oct 7, 2018

I hate changing clocks, but I like sunlight lasting later through the day.

Figments · Oct 7, 2018

So can anyone answer me why we needed the gas tax in the first place when we had infrastructure funding that was diverged to build an unnecessary high speed railway.

I'm only saying this because it's my only context on this issue. I'm woefully ill informed, and would like some enlightening.

Deleted member 11637 · Oct 7, 2018

My breakdown:

YES:
1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 11, 12

NO:
5, 6, 8

RandomExpletive · Oct 7, 2018

Wait why're we messing with the gas tax again we just approved this...

Spawnsniper · Oct 7, 2018

As someone that works as I biomed in a dialysis company I dont like prop 8. Makes it crazy harder for insurances to cover people that need dialysis.

Supercrap · Oct 7, 2018

in terms of the gas one we need to figure out how we should better tax drivers in general to help pay for road repair and maintenance. Whats the plan for all the electric vehicle owners? they arent paying gas taxes

Lunar Wolf · Oct 7, 2018

You don't want rent control in California. Owners are just going to cut their costs down by ditching "luxuries" so they'll be making the same amount as before.

You need more incentives to build housing in California.

Kirblar · Oct 7, 2018

RandomExpletive said:
Wait why're we messing with the gas tax again we just approved this...

Because Republicans wanted to use it to try and save their endangered CA house members by getting GOPers to come to the polls.

The Gunslinger said:
You don't want rent control in California. Owners are just going to cut their costs down by ditching "luxuries" so they'll be making the same amount as before.

You need more incentives to build housing in California.

Rent control makes it so landlords have no incentive to provide adequate upkeep/maintenance. It's wretched.

Gentlemen · Oct 7, 2018

6 looks like complete poison

nhlducks35 · Oct 7, 2018

11 should be no, it's worse for EMT's if it gets passed

Spenny · Oct 7, 2018

Supercrap said:
in terms of the gas one we need to figure out how we should better tax drivers in general to help pay for road repair and maintenance. Whats the plan for all the electric vehicle owners? they arent paying gas taxes

Raise electric vehicle registration cost. As a person who owns an electric vehicle I'd be cool with it.

RandomExpletive · Oct 7, 2018

Kirblar said:
Because Republicans wanted to use it to try and save their endangered CA house members by getting GOPers to come to the polls.

Odd hill to die on, didn't it pass w/ overwhelming support?

Sowrong · Oct 7, 2018

Isn't the gas tax scheduled to go even higher next year? There's no way they're making honest use of all that money.

Septimus Prime · Oct 7, 2018

I think 8 is one of those where you have to just look at who supports and who opposes it. But yeah, I'm now leaning no on it.

Kirblar · Oct 7, 2018

RandomExpletive said:
Odd hill to die on, didn't it pass w/ overwhelming support?

They were pretty desperate. Negative enthusiasm rules all.

Domino Theory · Oct 7, 2018

Anyone else concerned by the fact that some Dem candidates including Newsom didn't provide any statement in the booklet?

JayC3 · Oct 7, 2018

RandomExpletive said:
Odd hill to die on, didn't it pass w/ overwhelming support?

The gas tax was passed by the legislature, and if I remember correctly, it did not poll well at the time (because tax increases are unpopular in general). Like Kirblar said though, Rs are desperate because there aren't really any competitive statewide state and federal races (no R in the Senate race, and there's no way the R is going to win the governor race). So to try to gin up turnout, the Rs decided to try to push a repeal of the gas tax through the proposition system (which is voted on by everyone).

The repeal was polling well back in May, but CA Rs have stopped running on it which means that polling has likely gone the other way. There are a lot of interest groups that normally compete like unions and businesses that all want more infrastructure spending.

Username1198 · Oct 7, 2018

I still don't know which way to go with rent control. My stance is this:

Rents too damn high.

And DST: not really sure either way. I like that it gets darker in the winter, lol.

All the rest are pretty much like everyone else's:

1-4 yes
5 no
6 no
7??
8 yes
10??
11 no
12 yes

Burning Justice · Oct 7, 2018

I'm not really understanding Prop 7. Exactly what would change were it to pass? It doesn't seem to be getting rid of DST.

Kirblar · Oct 7, 2018

Username1198 said:
I still don't know which way to go with rent control. My stance is this:

Rents too damn high.

And DST: not really sure either way. I like that it gets darker in the winter, lol.

All the rest are pretty much like everyone else's:

1-4 yes
5 no
6 no
7??
8 yes
10??
11 no
12 yes

Rent control is one of the few things you have unanimity against among economists. Even liberal bleeding heart ones. Its attempting to do a good thing but is ultimately destructive.

P-Switch · Oct 7, 2018

Not sure how I'll vote on it, but my wife and I are extremely happy we live in a rent control area. We've been here 10 years and we are paying ~$300-$500 less a month than similar apartments.

Titik · Oct 7, 2018

The only I'm out of step with the Democratic party is the rent control one. Introducing more rent control will only exacerbate the problem, not actually address the issue which is the lack of housing due to lack of supply.

Kaironaut said:
So can anyone answer me why we needed the gas tax in the first place when we had infrastructure funding that was diverged to build an unnecessary high speed railway.

I'm only saying this because it's my only context on this issue. I'm woefully ill informed, and would like some enlightening.

The old gas tax was not tied to inflation and hasn't been raised in about two decades.

Jpop · Oct 7, 2018

Username1198 said:
I still don't know which way to go with rent control. My stance is this:

Rents too damn high.

And DST: not really sure either way. I like that it gets darker in the winter, lol.

All the rest are pretty much like everyone else's:

Haha, but it sucks leaving from work at 6pm and it is already pitch black outside.

Titik · Oct 7, 2018

Sowrong said:
Isn't the gas tax scheduled to go even higher next year? There's no way they're making honest use of all that money.

How so? By all measures the state is being run well by Democrats.

devSin · Oct 7, 2018

Proposition 1-4 are all yes. I typically just roll the dice for bond measures (or vote with the party). The benefits here seem to be at least marginally worthwhile.

Proposition 5 is a hard no. This is a property tax giveaway supported mainly by realtors.

Proposition 6 is an extreme no. This is another conservative measure intended to hamstring the Democratic legislature's ability to pass legislation, disguised as a limited tax repeal.

Proposition 7 is a symbolic vote. Do what you want.

Proposition 8 is a no. It seems to mainly serve the interest of insurance companies and larger clinics, and will likely cause the closure of many rural or small dialysis clinics.

Proposition 10 is a no. Rent control just doesn't work.

Proposition 11 is a no. If there aren't enough employees to handle emergency ambulance service, they need to hire more, not force the existing ones to work even during break (not to mention that this is bankrolled by a single emergency services firm as a way to bypass their current legal troubles).

Proposition 12 is a soft no. I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other.

Burning Justice said:
I'm not really understanding Prop 7. Exactly what would change were it to pass? It doesn't seem to be getting rid of DST.

It just removes the roadblock for CA adopting all-year DST if/when the federal government grants permission (currently not possible due to older legislation).

Badllama · Oct 7, 2018

I'm worried that a good portion of you are voting yes on prop 8. It is not good for people on dialysis. All it does is help insurance companies.

Titik · Oct 7, 2018

Badllama said:
I'm worried that a good portion of you are voting yes on prop 8. It is not good for people on dialysis. All it does is help insurance companies.

It's the wording that is fooling a lot of people. The opposition did a poor job agreeing to that.

xillyriax · Oct 7, 2018

Heretic said:
Cause I'm an idiot: Removing DST means we get Oct - Mar time all year round, right?

Yes, on November we'll switch back to Standard Time

Deleted member 11637 · Oct 7, 2018

Badllama said:
I'm worried that a good portion of you are voting yes on prop 8. It is not good for people on dialysis. All it does is help insurance companies.

Good to know, thanks! Changed my vote.

Septimus Prime · Oct 7, 2018

Badllama said:
I'm worried that a good portion of you are voting yes on prop 8. It is not good for people on dialysis. All it does is help insurance companies.

Its verbiage is confusing as fuck and even sounds like it could be a good thing because it regulates pricing.

It's not until you look at who supports it that it becomes slightly easier to decide.

Badllama · Oct 7, 2018

I know a lot of people here hate davita. They are a shitty company, but if prop 8 passes, a lot of their clinics, and other dialysis clinics, will be running at a loss. Meaning they will close them down. People need dialysis to survive, remember that.

Burning Justice · Oct 7, 2018

devSin said:
It just removes the roadblock for CA adopting all-year DST if/when the federal government grants permission (currently not possible due to older legislation).

Oh, okay, thanks. Guess I'll vote yes on it then.

Killthee · Oct 7, 2018

Burning Justice said:
I'm not really understanding Prop 7. Exactly what would change were it to pass? It doesn't seem to be getting rid of DST.

Federal law blocks states from using DST year round and current CA law requires a ballot measure for any changes done to CA DST. Prop 7 allows the state legislature to enact year round DST IF/WHEN the federal law is changed. If federal law is not changed then nothing changes in CA. If federal law is changed and prop 7 fails, then a new ballot measure will have to pass to change to DST year round.

Darknight · Oct 7, 2018

P-Switch said:
Not sure how I'll vote on it, but my wife and I are extremely happy we live in a rent control area. We've been here 10 years and we are paying ~$300-$500 less a month than similar apartments.

Rent control is good for an individual who got in at a good rate, but it negatively impacts everyone else who didn't. It's kind of a, FU got mine thing to push for rent control. Kind of like NIMBY is. Rent control actually makes the problem worse despite that it's trying to solve it.

99nikniht · Oct 7, 2018

Spenny said:
Raise electric vehicle registration cost. As a person who owns an electric vehicle I'd be cool with it.

Wouldn't a better solution is to just raise the cost of registration for vehicles in general, meaning, registration fees for road maintenance increases based on the number of axles a vehicle has. This seems like a elegant solution without necessarily punishing only ICE vehicles.

P-Switch · Oct 7, 2018

Darknight said:
Rent control is good for an individual who got in at a good rate, but it negatively impacts everyone else who didn't. It's kind of a, FU got mine thing to push for rent control. Kind of like NIMBY is. Rent control actually makes the problem worse despite that it's trying to solve it.

Isn't that because of all the areas that aren't allowed to stabilize rent prices? Doesn't this prop just attempt take away the Costa-Hawkins Act and allow more areas in California to implement stabilized rent housing?

ZiggyPalffyLA · Oct 7, 2018

I kinda wish they had never used the number 8 for a Proposition ever again. Seeing anything that says "Yes on 8" brings back really bad memories.

Slayven · Oct 7, 2018

Prop 9 was that russian backed bullshit right?

Strider_Blaze · Oct 7, 2018

Slayven said:
Prop 9 was that russian backed bullshit right?

Yup and thank goodness for its removal.

Gonna have to understand the other props more, but I'm definitely leaning towards yes on 7 if it does mean sticking to standard time. Never really got the meaning of Daylight Savings Time.

Particle Physicist · Oct 7, 2018

Spawnsniper said:
As someone that works as I biomed in a dialysis company I dont like prop 8. Makes it crazy harder for insurances to cover people that need dialysis.

Why is that? You would think regulating price would be a good thing?

libregkd · Oct 7, 2018

JayC3 said:
The repeal was polling well back in May, but CA Rs have stopped running on it which means that polling has likely gone the other way. There are a lot of interest groups that normally compete like unions and businesses that all want more infrastructure spending.

A recent PPIC poll from last week had Prop 6 failing; 52% No, 39% Yes. And I believe the recent LA Times poll of 6 competitive Congressional Districts (mostly in Orange County) showed that the repeal was trailing in each of those as well.

Domino Theory said:
Anyone else concerned by the fact that some Dem candidates including Newsom didn't provide any statement in the booklet?

I don't think they were allowed to. Or rather they didn't agree to limit their campaign spending so they opted to not having a statement in the guide.

Statewide Candidates
Statewide candidates, who choose to keep their campaign spending under a specified limit, may purchase space in the state Voter Information Guide for a 250-word candidate statement (Government Code section 85601(a)). Statewide offices covered are Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Insurance Commissioner, Controller, Secretary of State, Treasurer, Superintendent of Public Instruction, and Board of Equalization (BOE). Candidates who purchase a candidate statement will be charged $25 per word, with a maximum of 250 words ($6,250.00). The deadline to file a candidate statement for statewide office is Wednesday, July 18, 2018.

El Bombastico · Oct 7, 2018

Wow, never mind. Good thing I'm reading up on these before voting...

Tagyhag · Oct 7, 2018

I need to read 8 more but I'm curious about the rent control one.

I'm not on rent control but wouldn't it still be a good thing to have a somewhat of home security?

I'd love to have stabilized rent everywhere, but what's stopping LA from becoming San Francisco 2.0 where they raise the rent by $1000 one month just cause?

Particle Physicist · Oct 7, 2018

Uh, what the fuck, I was registered to vote (recently moved to California). I voted in the previous election. Now when I check my voters registration status, it can't fucking find me.

EDIT.

If i go to the county website, it can find me and states that I am registered but https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/ can't find me.

TheeFanatic · Oct 7, 2018

P-Switch said:
Not sure how I'll vote on it, but my wife and I are extremely happy we live in a rent control area. We've been here 10 years and we are paying ~$300-$500 less a month than similar apartments.

Same here. My father though has his rent increased at least 3 times in the past year because his city has no rent control

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